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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 17:41:21 GMT -5
If you take away the two tournament years then the team is 117-135 in the other 8 1/4 years. I agree that the facilities are second rate. However, as I've said before we are right in the middle of the A-10 as far as recruited talent level. So we are not at the level of a Fordham. What that means is that you need a coach who can take good talent and bring it to it's full potential. This coach doesn't seem to be that person.
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 10, 2014 17:45:35 GMT -5
The only year you can reasonably "take away" is the first year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 17:54:04 GMT -5
The only year you can reasonably "take away" is the first year.I agree. You need to look at the full body of work. the team has had 4 winning seasons in 10. If you "take away" the first season that is still 4 in 9. Are we happy with that and is any thing going to change in the 5 years?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 17:55:11 GMT -5
Sorry didn't mean to run my answer in with your quote.
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Post by calidelphia on Dec 10, 2014 17:57:44 GMT -5
I would argue the injury year is fair as well. Playing with half the deck after all.
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Post by mookie on Dec 10, 2014 19:40:26 GMT -5
I would argue the injury year is fair as well. Playing with half the deck after all. Injuries are part of the game. You can't give those years back to a player just like you can't a coach.
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Post by mookie on Dec 10, 2014 19:42:44 GMT -5
The only year you can reasonably "take away" is the first year. Completely agree...I'd even give a 2nd year because that is a class he actually recruited but if you give the 2nd then you're taking away a good year for him during a trying time.
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Post by lasalle89 on Dec 10, 2014 20:30:25 GMT -5
The Sweet 16 was amazing and I am as thankful to G as anyone for that. Simply awesome. I feel he gets a three year cushion because of that. The question should be could another coach do more with the talent that we have. I feel if Jay Wright was coaching this team we would be 6-2. I also think Phil and Dunphy would have us at 6-2. I think his X and O's are not what they should be. He is a nice guy and has done LaSalle proud. His sideline antics are growing old. It's not that I expect to win every game but it's how we lose many times that upsets me. We look like we are not well coached and completely out of sync. When G says he has no idea to get his players to shoot open shots that puzzles me. I thought maybe we turned the corner with the Sweet 16 run but we are right back where we were beforehand. Very disappointing. I hope we can turn this season around. G needs to make the necessary changes and get this team to listen to him.
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Post by casey44 on Dec 11, 2014 2:04:46 GMT -5
My criticism was based on a critical mass of sideline antics which culminated at the Temple game. we don't get on ESPN that often and I've never felt as uneasy as I did that afternoon. He embarrassed himself and the University. Others seem to agree. I don't doubt the fact that he's a good guy, or that he works his ass off. Nor have I forgotten the great feelings everyone had after the sweet sixteen, but this screaming at players and other sideline antics have to be toned down. Do any other Big Five coaches act this way? How many potential recruits were watching that display? I don't think we'll see that again in the near future. Someone has told him to take control of his emotions. At least I hope that is the case. I agree that he's not going anywhere unless it's of his choosing, but I was absolutely pissed off Saturday after I turned off the TV and it had nothing to do with us losing the game.
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Post by talkinbball on Dec 11, 2014 12:21:00 GMT -5
Just wondering, if G did decide (on his own) that he was ready to move on, what level program would have G on its radar? Could he potentially do better than the A10?
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Post by Kovy on Dec 11, 2014 12:49:49 GMT -5
Just wondering, if G did decide (on his own) that he was ready to move on, what level program would have G on its radar? Could he potentially do better than the A10? I know a guy who knows a guy who said G is waiting for Coach K to retire at Duke.
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Post by 23won on Dec 11, 2014 12:59:37 GMT -5
1) I feel if Jay Wright was coaching this team we would be 6-2. 2)I also think Phil and Dunphy would have us at 6-2. 3) I think his X and O's are not what they should be. 4) His sideline antics are growing old. 5) It's not that I expect to win every game but it's how we lose many times that upsets me. We look like we are not well coached and completely out of sync. When G says he has no idea to get his players to shoot open shots that puzzles me. I thought maybe we turned the corner with the Sweet 16 run but we are right back where we were beforehand. Very disappointing. 6)I hope we can turn this season around. G needs to make the necessary changes and get this team to listen to him. 1) I actually think Jay could be 7-1. We had a real chance to win the game at the end, despite the absence of coaching. Guys played with heart. G provided no smarts when needed. Coaching had no influence on that comeback run. 2) I agree. 3) This is true and made doubly bad by G not hiring assistants who could help in this regard. This is a self-inflicted wound here. 4) No doubt. It wasn't just the"Bobby Knight in the house" effect. He's been doing this for 11 years. 5) See 3 above. Sweet 16 run was largely brought about by Ramon and Tyreek being a "coach on the floor" and Jerrell having a monster tourney. 6) I doubt G can change, but if I had two wishes I could program into G for success this year, it'd be a) You have to score more than the other team to win. You need to play scorers more than glue guys/seniors. b) Lay off the new guys and let them play, especially Roberts and Shuler. G was up Roberts' ass in the tipoff game in October and hit a new low in the Temple game. He needs to give him more slack. I will give him some credit for getting Roberts back into the TU game after G's meltdown. Something may have clicked or he could've been worried that the kid would walk out and not come back. He should be worried about that but it should not get to that point. He now needs to make it up by giving more slack to buy trust.. but not too much. IMO his real problem with the troops and team unity is that he f()cks with first year players way too much and gives seniors too much leeway. He needs to be more balanced in his approach, as it creates a really weird dynamic and undercuts team unity. You don't want Rohan acting like the adult on the bench when the coach goes psycho and the assistants are too scared to step in and stop it. It's like being in a house where a parent is an alcoholic, or bipolar or abusive and the rest of the family is powerless to stop the craziness because they are hypnotized by the craziness. All the Navy Seal training goes out the window when he acts like that. Treat everyone calmly and fairly and you will get a strong cohesive team. See for instance Jay and Dunph in particular as Exhibits A and B.
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Post by ck on Dec 11, 2014 13:02:22 GMT -5
I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who's heard La Salle is deciding between joining the ACC and Big East. But only if they beat Drexel Saturday.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 11, 2014 14:34:45 GMT -5
So Phil Martelli, coach of a 4 loss A-10 team with a SoS over 100 places lower than ours, would be atleast 6-2. Ok. Sure.
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Post by coqui900 on Dec 11, 2014 15:46:35 GMT -5
Who on here is anything close to an X and O expert to judge what G does?
We are very good defensively for the most part. We'll never play the perfect game. But they're really good on a defense that depends so much on switching. That's X and O's.
As far as offense -- the only issue I have is starting the offense late. But aside from that, the main problem with the team is poor outside shooting. Guess what? The shots are, for the most part, open looks. The execution is off. G can't telepathically make baskets get through the hoop. There are a bunch of times we need bail out plays near the end of the shot clock. Starting the offense on some sets a few seconds earlier would help. The stall usually comes from whoever is initiating the motion reading the play. They need to make those reads 2-3 seconds faster.
What kind of offense could he possibly run differently? Essentially every college basketball team depends on outside shooting. Heck, most NBA teams rely on outside shooting at this point. Golden State has been lights out and they initiate their offense with Bogut doing dribble hand-offs at the top of the key. Sound familiar? That's what we do a lot of times with Steve. So G is running aspects of offensive sets from the best team in basketball. That sounds like pretty good X and O's right there.
The only NBA team that's any good that is a post-oriented team is Memphis. Basketball has completely changed. The strategy and tactics isn't the problem. The execution is.
Maybe it will get better and guys will find their shots. Maybe they won't. They need a better shooting coach.
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Post by a10champion15 on Dec 11, 2014 16:39:12 GMT -5
Who on here is anything close to an X and O expert to judge what G does?
We are very good defensively for the most part. We'll never play the perfect game. But they're really good on a defense that depends so much on switching. That's X and O's. As far as offense -- the only issue I have is starting the offense late. But aside from that, the main problem with the team is poor outside shooting. Guess what? The shots are, for the most part, open looks. The execution is off. G can't telepathically make baskets get through the hoop. There are a bunch of times we need bail out plays near the end of the shot clock. Starting the offense on some sets a few seconds earlier would help. The stall usually comes from whoever is initiating the motion reading the play. They need to make those reads 2-3 seconds faster. What kind of offense could he possibly run differently? Essentially every college basketball team depends on outside shooting. Heck, most NBA teams rely on outside shooting at this point. Golden State has been lights out and they initiate their offense with Bogut doing dribble hand-offs at the top of the key. Sound familiar? That's what we do a lot of times with Steve. So G is running aspects of offensive sets from the best team in basketball. That sounds like pretty good X and O's right there. The only NBA team that's any good that is a post-oriented team is Memphis. Basketball has completely changed. The strategy and tactics isn't the problem. The execution is. Maybe it will get better and guys will find their shots. Maybe they won't. They need a better shooting coach. I don't want to beat this to death. I am not expert and would never state that otherwise. I feel I have a good gauge on what I have seen though. Team is a clear work in progress and I accept that. The thing is in terms of their defense I do think it is pretty solid. It isn't overly complicated either to me. I already said this team can't play zone. They don't need to worry about switching to much. We have better size so I get why G likes to use it but it isn't enough to make it affective. They are better at applying pressure and playing man to man defense. I also think this team functions better in a 4 guard set. To me it has created better spacing and the offense functions better. I would like G to just stick to what he knows. You had success with the four guard line up so why not stick with that. Will see though I have a feeling against Drexel were going to make some adjustments.
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Post by calidelphia on Dec 11, 2014 16:41:15 GMT -5
They need a better shooting coach. ding ding ding. We have a winner.
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Post by virginia61 on Dec 11, 2014 19:09:37 GMT -5
Sorry to be a broken record, but the team that wins most basketball teams is the one who consistently gets better shots. Obviously, having guys who can shoot is important as well. Temple killed us in the first half on the offensive end because they were getting great, open shots ... and they made many of them. The La Salle defense was significantly better in the second half and, as a result, Temple's offense looked bad. They got a couple layups off defensive mistakes but got almost nothing from running their offense. Unfortunately, we couldn't guard them at the foul line and they were golden there. La Salle, on the other hand, generally didn't get good shots for the entire game. Yes, there were a few decent stretches but overall, no. You need to run an offense that gets guys open shots. Second, you need players on the floor that can run the offense (whatever that is ... and in La Salle's case, I truly have no idea), and be able to make the shots that are there. For many stretches, with the personnel the coach had on the floor, it was hard to figure out where the offense would come from. This problem is magnified by the lack of motion and lack of opportunities created.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 11, 2014 21:45:58 GMT -5
Sorry to be a broken record, but the team that wins most basketball teams is the one who consistently gets better shots. Obviously, having guys who can shoot is important as well. Temple killed us in the first half on the offensive end because they were getting great, open shots ... and they made many of them. The La Salle defense was significantly better in the second half and, as a result, Temple's offense looked bad. They got a couple layups off defensive mistakes but got almost nothing from running their offense. Unfortunately, we couldn't guard them at the foul line and they were golden there. La Salle, on the other hand, generally didn't get good shots for the entire game. Yes, there were a few decent stretches but overall, no. You need to run an offense that gets guys open shots. Second, you need players on the floor that can run the offense (whatever that is ... and in La Salle's case, I truly have no idea), and be able to make the shots that are there. For many stretches, with the personnel the coach had on the floor, it was hard to figure out where the offense would come from. This problem is magnified by the lack of motion and lack of opportunities created. This post is spot on.
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Post by 23won on Dec 12, 2014 12:52:04 GMT -5
Good post 61. Our guys don't get good looks because
1) there's not enough motion in the offense
2) guys take hoorendous shots (without consequence for the most part, except for Roberts)
3)we set the worst screens this side of a CYO B league team.
G did run some plays and motion in the second half, and it looked good and we got some good looks. However, the team stopped running motion and went back to street ball and we nosedived, from a quality of shot perspective.
The team should be focused on running that motion and plays consistently. If they have a 20 point lead, I could see relaxing it a bit,but the focus of G on this is curiously in reverse.
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Post by virginia61 on Dec 12, 2014 13:34:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the reinforcements, guys. It bothered me a bit to read the newspaper article where G said our guys just have to shoot more. No, you need to put them in a position where they can shoot more effectively. For the most part, what I saw in the Temple game was guys with little room to shoot and, if they had, they would have been forcing bad shots. No doubt some of that is the talent level and the relative inability to "create your own shot." But most is an ineffective offensive flow that created relatively few clean looks.
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Post by 23won on Dec 12, 2014 14:58:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the reinforcements, guys. It bothered me a bit to read the newspaper article where G said our guys just have to shoot more. No, you need to put them in a position where they can shoot more effectively. For the most part, what I saw in the Temple game was guys with little room to shoot and, if they had, they would have been forcing bad shots. No doubt some of that is the talent level and the relative inability to "create your own shot." But most is an ineffective offensive flow that created relatively few clean looks. I hope he does not mean that DJ and Khalid need to shoot more long-range jumpers. Less would be a preferred more there.
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Post by calidelphia on Dec 12, 2014 16:21:47 GMT -5
I somehow doubt that he's referring to price there, He seems to shoot the 3 without hesitation. Prob more along the lines of Roberts, DJ and or Stukes. just a guess.
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Post by lasalle89 on Dec 18, 2014 17:50:45 GMT -5
Our offense stinks. Blame who you want... Players can't shoot, coach can't draw up X and O's but the fact remains the same. The Princeton offense was put into effect to neutralize bigger and more athletic teams and to open up easy scoring opportunities. American schooled us. We were bigger and more athletic yet we found our selves down 20. We are not a half court offense. PERIOD. We don't move without the ball very well and we just don't get easy baskets. When we are open we miss or pass the ball. This being said let's change what we are doing. Either run like hell and take it to the basket every single time or switch to the Princeton offense and get some back door cuts and some easy baskets. We are not good. We don't have enough talent to make up for our lack of coaching and lack of a system. That is all... For now.
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Post by coachd on Dec 19, 2014 9:35:38 GMT -5
Our offense stinks. Blame who you want... Players can't shoot, coach can't draw up X and O's but the fact remains the same. The Princeton offense was put into effect to neutralize bigger and more athletic teams and to open up easy scoring opportunities. American schooled us. We were bigger and more athletic yet we found our selves down 20. We are not a half court offense. PERIOD. We don't move without the ball very well and we just don't get easy baskets. When we are open we miss or pass the ball. This being said let's change what we are doing. Either run like hell and take it to the basket every single time or switch to the Princeton offense and get some back door cuts and some easy baskets. We are not good. We don't have enough talent to make up for our lack of coaching and lack of a system. That is all... For now. The third option is to hire the top assistant from Jay Wright's staff and make him head coach and allow G to move to an AD role or ambassador role if wants. G can't coach winning basketball consistently at this A10 level, his heart might be in the right place but his coaching IQ is Ivy League level.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 19, 2014 9:49:43 GMT -5
Our offense stinks. Blame who you want... Players can't shoot, coach can't draw up X and O's but the fact remains the same. The Princeton offense was put into effect to neutralize bigger and more athletic teams and to open up easy scoring opportunities. American schooled us. We were bigger and more athletic yet we found our selves down 20. We are not a half court offense. PERIOD. We don't move without the ball very well and we just don't get easy baskets. When we are open we miss or pass the ball. This being said let's change what we are doing. Either run like hell and take it to the basket every single time or switch to the Princeton offense and get some back door cuts and some easy baskets. We are not good. We don't have enough talent to make up for our lack of coaching and lack of a system. That is all... For now. The third option is to hire the top assistant from Jay Wright's staff and make him head coach and allow G to move to an AD role or ambassador role if wants. G can't coach winning basketball consistently at this A10 level, his heart might be in the right place but his coaching IQ is Ivy League level. You mean like Pete Carril (the inventor of the Princeton offense you've been extolling), Chuck Daly or Fran Dunphy Ivy League level?
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Post by MisterD on Dec 19, 2014 10:06:12 GMT -5
My "is he serious or is this insanely dedicated performance art" graph would be spiking right now.
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Post by coachd on Dec 19, 2014 10:47:03 GMT -5
The third option is to hire the top assistant from Jay Wright's staff and make him head coach and allow G to move to an AD role or ambassador role if wants. G can't coach winning basketball consistently at this A10 level, his heart might be in the right place but his coaching IQ is Ivy League level. You mean like Pete Carril (the inventor of the Princeton offense you've been extolling), Chuck Daly or Fran Dunphy Ivy League level? Good point. Meant to say more like Penn's current coach.
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Post by mookie on Dec 19, 2014 13:35:46 GMT -5
Our offense stinks. Blame who you want... Players can't shoot, coach can't draw up X and O's but the fact remains the same. The Princeton offense was put into effect to neutralize bigger and more athletic teams and to open up easy scoring opportunities. American schooled us. We were bigger and more athletic yet we found our selves down 20. We are not a half court offense. PERIOD. We don't move without the ball very well and we just don't get easy baskets. When we are open we miss or pass the ball. This being said let's change what we are doing. Either run like hell and take it to the basket every single time or switch to the Princeton offense and get some back door cuts and some easy baskets. We are not good. We don't have enough talent to make up for our lack of coaching and lack of a system. That is all... For now. The third option is to hire the top assistant from Jay Wright's staff and make him head coach and allow G to move to an AD role or ambassador role if wants. G can't coach winning basketball consistently at this A10 level, his heart might be in the right place but his coaching IQ is Ivy League level. In what world do you live in to assume that G wants to be AD, LaSalle is looking for an AD and that Jay Wright's top assistant even wants to coach at Lasalle?
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Post by MisterD on Dec 19, 2014 13:44:16 GMT -5
Fourth option is to throw $25MM per year at Coach K to get him to come to La Salle. I know that sounds like a lot of money but if you consider it an investment into the future of the university its really not that bad. And Coach K went to West Point which is obviously much closer to Philadelphia than Durham is and given that we have a long tradition and everyone wants to be a part of the Big 5 I think it makes total sense to ...
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