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Post by calsufan on Nov 22, 2014 14:41:21 GMT -5
FINAL. La Salle 59- St. Peter's 50. We can definitely nitpick, and have legit concerns about the shooting, and now Injuries are a concern,but they're 3-0, which is where we said they needed to be. Get one Tuesday night, and then enter a 4 Game stretch which will be very challenging, but should also be very fun for fans (and I'll be at 3 of them, which makes me happy). Also, postgame reminder: Excessive fonts are not to be used. Please use the standard board font. Your post is no more important than anyone else's. Can we use emoticons?
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 22, 2014 14:41:30 GMT -5
3-0. Just win, baby.
It's not just the jumpers that aren't following. JW and Steve haven't shot well at all, either. Our bigs were 3-19 or something like that today? That's obviously going to improve.
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Post by stlexplorer on Nov 22, 2014 14:49:26 GMT -5
3-0!
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Post by Kovy on Nov 22, 2014 14:53:13 GMT -5
Got the W which is all that matters at the end of the day. We controlled the game from start to finish even though it wasn't pretty. Obviously this team still has a long way to go but the shooting is becoming a concern. We saw last season that the shots don't always just begin to drop.
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Post by thehawkisdead on Nov 22, 2014 14:54:14 GMT -5
St. Francis will beat us handily unless we play MUCH better than we have so far. C'mon fellas, the last thing we want to do is give my brother bragging rights!
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Post by stlexplorer on Nov 22, 2014 15:10:52 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: Jordan Price continues to get buckets for La Salle --- scored 21 in Explorers' win over St. Peter's. John Giannini's team now 3-0.
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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Nov 22, 2014 16:27:38 GMT -5
Glad to be 3-0. In past years we would have lost one or more of these games. Two years ago we lost early to a Central C and figured all was lost, but turned into a great season.
I am concerned about the shooting. We said last year early on that it would get better - almost by default as it couldn't get much worse - and this year is tough as well. I am hoping we buck the trend but still a bit nervous it may continue.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 22, 2014 16:56:31 GMT -5
I feel like I should be more concerned about our guards shooting but I am not. It isn't really our guards that have struggled but Zack and Wright.
Price/Shuler/Stukes/Peterson/Roberts/Khalid - our guards are shooting against...
Colgate 35% from the field Quinn 38% from the field St Peters 37% from the field
That is not terrible with 4 new freshmen/transfers and unlike last year should be expected to improve.
Now Zack and Wright
Colgate 36% Quinn 36% St Peters 17%
These guys should be averaging in the 50s at least. This is the reason we didn't blow out St Peters today.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 22, 2014 17:08:25 GMT -5
Wright played with back spasms. Gets triple teamed and has a helluva game today with a double-double. 6-7 from the line.
Zach injures his ankle. Prior to that, he was okay except for three turnovers ( I don't care what the stat sheet said).
Bottom line, we got a win and are 3-0. Ugly offensively but we saw some positives today with Stukes and Robert's play. Jordan comes through when you need him.
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Post by mookie on Nov 22, 2014 17:11:45 GMT -5
I feel like I should be more concerned about our guards shooting but I am not. It isn't really our guards that have struggled but Zack and Wright. Price/Shuler/Stukes/Peterson/Roberts/Khalid - our guards are shooting against... Colgate 35% from the field Quinn 38% from the field St Peters 37% from the field That is not terrible with 4 new freshmen/transfers and unlike last year should be expected to improve. Now Zack and Wright Colgate 36% Quinn 36% St Peters 17% These guys should be averaging in the 50s at least. This is the reason we didn't blow out St Peters today. I partially agree. It's a little concerning that Zach and Wright have shot poorly to start the year; however, being seniors I have a higher comfort level with saying it's a slump and they'll shoot out of it. The guards though I wouldn't give so much of a free pass. While that's not bad for our freshmen, we still need them to do better as well Price and Roberts if we want to go anywhere...gotta raise our level of play is all. To be 3-0 to start the year is nothing to complain about. The talk of Shuler transferring is ridiculous. 3 games in and he's got several players ahead of him to with experience. That's one of the reasons why I kept saying before that of Shuler comes in and plays over Stukes then we have a problem unless Shuler was a special player from jump where he'd average Duran type numbers. Besides, Shuler knew coming to lasalle that minutes would be limited as a freshman and that he would likely be redshirted. So to even play this year is quite an accomplishment.
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Post by 20thandolney on Nov 22, 2014 17:21:36 GMT -5
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Post by mookie on Nov 22, 2014 17:25:03 GMT -5
Our shooting is atrocious but if our defense is suffocating throughout the year this team can win a lot of games. Winning ugly is still winning
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 22, 2014 17:26:41 GMT -5
I partially agree. It's a little concerning that Zach and Wright have shot poorly to start the year; however, being seniors I have a higher comfort level with saying it's a slump and they'll shoot out of it. The guards though I wouldn't give so much of a free pass. While that's not bad for our freshmen, we still need them to do better as well Price and Roberts if we want to go anywhere...gotta raise our level of play is all. To be 3-0 to start the year is nothing to complain about. The talk of Shuler transferring is ridiculous. 3 games in and he's got several players ahead of him to with experience. That's one of the reasons why I kept saying before that of Shuler comes in and plays over Stukes then we have a problem unless Shuler was a special player from jump where he'd average Duran type numbers. Besides, Shuler knew coming to lasalle that minutes would be limited as a freshman and that he would likely be redshirted. So to even play this year is quite an accomplishment. It is not really a free pass. I just expect it to get better. Guards shooting 38% isn't terrible but is def below average. The difference for me though our guards probably shot close to that last year and were seniors. Team is a work in progress offensively. I didn't see the Shuler transferring comment. Who the hell would say that? Shuler got some good time today but was a little wild out there. G told him not to worry about it. A10 play he will be a much more valuable asset. However, one thing that bothered me today was G laying into Price for a good amount of time. We forced a turnover and Price drove it to the basket but was challenged on the drive he tried to draw the foul and didn't get it. G screamed at him and proceeded to yell at him for nearly the entire timeout. Was not a fine moment for G. Price was visibly upset. Stukes has surprised me especially because people scared me on this board saying it didn't look all that great but he has been really good for his first 3 games. This kid could be something really special for La Salle in the future. The ball movement I thought was a lot better today and a lot of shots rimmed out. Price threw a couple bricks today but the shot selection IMO was much better today compared to the Quinn game.
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Post by thehawkisdead on Nov 22, 2014 17:59:51 GMT -5
I realize the defensive stats are on our side, but these three games were all against lousy teams. Let's see how "great" our defense looks when the competition beefs up.
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Post by lasalle89 on Nov 22, 2014 19:12:14 GMT -5
For those who saw the game today, was this a matter of if our shots would have went in we would have won by 20+ or was this game more like we looked uncoached and disorganized?
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 22, 2014 19:24:47 GMT -5
We had a lot of open looks. Not only did they not drop more than a few were bricks. As noted earlier the big guys were 3 for 18. This is an snakily.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Nov 22, 2014 20:23:04 GMT -5
We totally outplayed them. We must have missed 7-10 chippies/layups. The play differential was 20 or more. Our senior BIGS must finish around the basket-and they will.By the 10th game, this team will be much better.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 22, 2014 21:47:37 GMT -5
We totally outplayed them. We must have missed 7-10 chippies/layups. The play differential was 20 or more. Our senior BIGS must finish around the basket-and they will.By the 10th game, this team will be much better. And that is the problem by the 10th game it might be too late... The margin of making the tourney is that little that a few bad losses or lack of good wins won't allow us to obtain the annual goal..
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 22, 2014 22:00:42 GMT -5
I realize the defensive stats are on our side, but these three games were all against lousy teams. Let's see how "great" our defense looks when the competition beefs up. I wouldn't call Quinn lousy.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 22, 2014 22:04:04 GMT -5
We totally outplayed them. We must have missed 7-10 chippies/layups. The play differential was 20 or more. Our senior BIGS must finish around the basket-and they will.By the 10th game, this team will be much better. And that is the problem by the 10th game it might be too late... The margin of making the tourney is that little that a few bad losses or lack of good wins won't allow us to obtain the annual goal.. Winning one of Temple(IF they are a tourney team), Virginia and Nova might be enough if we win just about the rest of the games OOC. Our conference slate is pretty tough. Playing URI twice might have provided two more quality chances seeing how they just upset #21 Nebraska. I watched Temple yesterday and tonight against UNLV. They have a real chance once they get going as well with the addition of a couple players. I am interested to see and I know your the guy for this. What did the guards shoot in the second half. I am thinking it was over 40%. The offense had a few bright moments today.
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 22, 2014 22:31:11 GMT -5
In the 2nd half they were 2-6 from three point range and 10-21 overall if you deduct the 0-6 from the three bigs.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Nov 22, 2014 22:32:16 GMT -5
While a chief goal is to make the Dance, a season is still successful if other goals are met, such as a winning overall record,a winning A-10 record at home and at least .500 overall; playing the right way; graduating the seniors,and an NIT bid is nice, especially if we win 2-3 games. The above should be goals for every year. If the goals are met, it improves our brand and exposure-AND that helps recruiting. If we then bring in good-not average players-and occasionally the really good player-then we go to the Dance.A program is built with consistency; last year hurt us because we took a step back. If we had won 2 more games, gone to the NIT and won a game, it would have been part of the progression towards upward mobility. Right now, we r not at ground zero, but we must continue to bring in good players, and things will take care of themselves. Just don't think that G and the players have failed by not going to NCAA.
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Post by blueandgold on Nov 22, 2014 23:37:32 GMT -5
before we go judging our opponents so far on two weeks of basketball - keeping them to about 30% FG in each game probably isn't a coincidence. look back at past seasons when we'd play similar/same teams and tell me we looked this good defensively.
I agree with the posters above about Zack and Wright hurting our FG% and the new freshmen & transfers at G not shooting well but probably adjusting and shaking off some "showtime" rust.
while we need the offense to start improving quickly to do really well in the upcoming big 4-game stretch, outside of the Nova game, I have no reason to believe we will not hang tough for 35 minutes and give ourselves a chance to grind out a W against Virginia, Rutgers/Vandy, or Temple.
let's get to 4-0 Tuesday first, eat some turkey, and see what happens starting Friday night.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 23, 2014 9:01:39 GMT -5
I was going to get a replay of the game but it seems that Atlantic10.com doesn't have the game and I can't seem to find it on GoExplorers.com. Any advice or suggestions?
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Post by angryal on Nov 23, 2014 12:39:33 GMT -5
I really enjoy watching defensive-minded teams, have hopes for Jordan Price, and being 3-0 is nice, but the quality of opponents (and St. Francis-Brooklyn is hardly the same as playing a middle-of-the-road, or even bad, ACC team!) is not doing this team any favors. And barely beating these inferior programs is more than a little disturbing.
The Virginia game, win or lose, will be interesting to watch.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 23, 2014 13:01:27 GMT -5
I really enjoy watching defensive-minded teams, have hopes for Jordan Price, and being 3-0 is nice, but the quality of opponents (and St. Francis-Brooklyn is hardly the same as playing a middle-of-the-road, or even bad, ACC team!) is not doing this team any favors. And barely beating these inferior programs is more than a little disturbing.
The Virginia game, win or lose, will be interesting to watch. Take a hike!
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Post by calidelphia on Nov 23, 2014 13:01:52 GMT -5
Also, postgame reminder: Excessive fonts are not to be used. Please use the standard board font. Your post is no more important than anyone else's. This means you Al.
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 23, 2014 13:30:47 GMT -5
JW and Steve were awful on offense yesterday. Truly terrible. Aside from I think two jumpers from Steve, everything else were shots they've taken for three years. JW shoots 57% from the field. Steve's not too far away from 50%.
This is different than replacing Ramon's efficiency with Garland's shakiness from outside. There's a three year track record of our frontcourt being really efficient. Like incredibly efficient.
There's absolutely nothing they're doing differently. They're getting the ball in the same places. They're seeing the same defenses. It's just a matter of not finishing for whatever reason.
I am going to chalk it up to nothing more than bad luck and JW having a tight back. I'll be absolutely shocked if JW and Steve combine to shoot something like they did yesterday again this year.
Also, JW was an absolute beast on the boards. And Steve was typically solid defending down low and setting picks and more-or-less running the offense at times. It's not like they didn't do anything.
They're also 3-0.
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Post by heftyexpl on Nov 23, 2014 15:29:41 GMT -5
Can any one comment on Cleon Roberts play? Seems, looking at the stat sheet, he had his best game yesterday. Which we desperately need for this team's future success. However im curious of his style of play. From the first couple of games I got the sense he would be a Sam Mills type. Not super aggressive and relied on his offense to come mostly from the 3pt line. However seeing the game recap against St. Peters there were two plays of him driving to the basket, finishing strong and getting the bucket and foul. Should we expect more of that from him? Or is he a perimeter guy?
Would love feedback from some one who has seen in play in person this year.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 23, 2014 16:48:58 GMT -5
Can any one comment on Cleon Roberts play? Seems, looking at the stat sheet, he had his best game yesterday. Which we desperately need for this team's future success. However im curious of his style of play. From the first couple of games I got the sense he would be a Sam Mills type. Not super aggressive and relied on his offense to come mostly from the 3pt line. However seeing the game recap against St. Peters there were two plays of him driving to the basket, finishing strong and getting the bucket and foul. Should we expect more of that from him? Or is he a perimeter guy? Would love feedback from some one who has seen in play in person this year. Drastic difference from the first two games compared to yesterday. His stats show it as well. The all around player comment about him from G is spot on. He does a lot of different things. He looks like he can be a good outside shooter. He had a couple shots rim out but eventually more should start to fall when he gets comfortable and the same thing goes for Price. Driving to the basket look really natural for him he isn't super quick but is really athletic. Defensively he also is very good. I think he is our second best defender. Very long and even though he is lanky he is very aggressive on the defensive end. He does some hand clap thing I saw him do a number of times when defending the guard attempting to intimidate him. A couple of us were thrown off guard when I saw him do it.
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