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Post by Xwalkonx on Nov 19, 2014 7:24:35 GMT -5
In watching the game last night at Quinnipiac, it became even more apparent that we have one of the worst gymnasiums in America- at least on the Division I level. Quinnipiac has a facility that looks like it would've been perfect for us.
I know this is not breaking news but I also attended the homecoming game on Saturday, and in discussions with fellow explorer alumni, we could not honestly think of one positive to the Gola. Even trying to purchase a pretzel is a 25 minute process....it is nearly impossible to walk anywhere there. The facility is really not that old I just think it is probably one of the most poorly designed facilities in America. Even the oldest gym in America at Fordham was designed better...not to mention it is probably the ugliest as well.
LaSalle calls me at least once a week asking for donations-how about doing something with the facility? That would make it a lot more probable for me...it is getting to the point where the Tom is so bad I would rather watch games online.
I won't even get into the recruitment benefits... I really hate being negative but is simply the truth- something really needs to be done! I know I am preaching to the choir here..
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 19, 2014 8:09:13 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing until I realized that it's not worth thinking about it since it only gets one dejected. On another note, Q seemed to have more spirit squad of all types members than there were people in the seats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 8:23:57 GMT -5
I really like the gym at Q. It seats 3,800. I would like to see us with something like that, although bleachers under the each basket (student section) and that could increase seating a bit, pushing 4,000 or so wouldn't be too bad although 5-5,500 is probably the goal
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Post by sweat83 on Nov 19, 2014 8:43:48 GMT -5
Not again
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Nov 19, 2014 8:53:28 GMT -5
For god's sake, write a check. Otherwise stop bitching about it. The majority of the people who complain or constantly bring up this issue don't regularly attend games, belong to the Explore club or contribute a dime to the program. But hey, the post every day on a message board.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 19, 2014 9:01:41 GMT -5
It needs to be addressed and the school is/will address it. The question remains when will that happen? I am sure the A-10 is putting pressure on La Salle to address it.
Business school is under construction and that was the last hurdle supposedly. Facility should be the next project.
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Post by Xwalkonx on Nov 19, 2014 9:13:44 GMT -5
For god's sake, write a check. Otherwise stop bitching about it. The majority of the people who complain or constantly bring up this issue don't regularly attend games, belong to the Explore club or contribute a dime to the program. But hey, the post every day on a message board. Actually, I attend just about every game and donate to the Explorer Club. But thanks.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 19, 2014 9:28:19 GMT -5
For god's sake, write a check. Otherwise stop bitching about it. The majority of the people who complain or constantly bring up this issue don't regularly attend games, belong to the Explore club or contribute a dime to the program. But hey, the post every day on a message board. Actually, I attend just about every game and donate to the Explorer Club. But thanks. It's a valid conversation to have and relevant to the recent opponent given that I think 100% of us would believe that the facility last night is perfect for our program. Don't question who does/doesn't contribute here financially either.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Nov 19, 2014 9:37:01 GMT -5
Actually, I attend just about every game and donate to the Explorer Club. But thanks. It's a valid conversation to have and relevant to the recent opponent given that I think 100% of us would believe that the facility last night is perfect for our program. Don't question who does/doesn't contribute here financially either.[/i][/b] I guess that's because it hits to close to home.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 9:46:16 GMT -5
It's a valid conversation to have and relevant to the recent opponent given that I think 100% of us would believe that the facility last night is perfect for our program. Don't question who does/doesn't contribute here financially either.[/i][/b] I guess that's because it hits to close to home. [/quote][/p]
I wouldn't say so... I think luhoopsfan has a point. Someone who attends games can have more of an impact than someone that contributes. A check with an empty seat is useless.
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Post by golasalle on Nov 19, 2014 9:51:56 GMT -5
Actually, I attend just about every game and donate to the Explorer Club. But thanks. It's a valid conversation to have and relevant to the recent opponent given that I think 100% of us would believe that the facility last night is perfect for our program. Don't question who does/doesn't contribute here financially either. Sorry, he brought it up so it is valid to question financial contributions. Walkon stated "LaSalle calls me at least once a week asking for donations-how about doing something with the facility? That would make it a lot more probable for me...", the inference being that he doesn't contribute because he thinks the arena stinks. He later clarified it by saying he does contribute to the Explorer Club, but Walkon is the one who brought the contributions into the mix.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 19, 2014 10:07:59 GMT -5
"Hey man, I tossed a few hundred at an eight figure construction job so I've earned the right to be the one who decides how it gets discussed, ok?"
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Post by lasalle89 on Nov 19, 2014 11:02:51 GMT -5
I was closely involved with the Haymen center redo. We had alumni who put together a plan that had seats behind the basket and so much nicer design. They paid for all the plans themselves and would have done it at cost for LaSalle. LaSalle ended up not using them and spent more money on their own design and debacle. After that these Alums walked away from the program. LaSalle administration has a way of not only doing the wrong thing but pissing off people who are trying to help. That being said I hear the new business building looks real good on paper and maybe they have someone there that has some brains and vision now.
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 19, 2014 11:23:54 GMT -5
Quinnipiac's new facility has led to nothing but sustained and long-term success for the program. As has Monmouth's.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 19, 2014 11:25:18 GMT -5
It also cost $52MM and houses nationally ranked hockey teams on the men's and women's side.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 19, 2014 12:09:34 GMT -5
It's a valid conversation to have and relevant to the recent opponent given that I think 100% of us would believe that the facility last night is perfect for our program. Don't question who does/doesn't contribute here financially either.[/i][/b] I guess that's because it hits to close to home. [/quote] Are you questioning how much I donate? I'm not sure what you mean by "hits close to home".
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2014 12:23:20 GMT -5
I loved everything about that arena. How it looked from the outside, the fact that you entered on a concourse, the identical basketball and hockey arenas on either side of the building, etc. Outside of the hockey arena obviously, that's exactly what I'd want for La Salle, with maybe just a few hundred more seats.
I hate when the issues with Gola get reduced to "no seats behind the baskets." That's an example, not the whole problem. There's no concourses at all, you enter the gym right under one of the baskets, have to walk behind the court to go to the bathroom, the concession stand mess, all of it. It is a high school gym, a nice one granted, in every way shape and form.
I get tired of having this conversation, especially during the season, but that doesn't mean the points raised aren't right.
And as for the money, I agree, don't tell other people how to spend their money. You wanna donate- fine. You don't, or can't afford to do so- also fine. On that same beat, don't act like we're raising a collection to buy an inner city baseball team new uniforms either. The school costs over 50 thousand dollars a year to attend now. I know we're a small school and others get a whole lot more, and get state money, etc., but some people (not really on this thread but any time money is discussed) act like La Salle is some orphanage for Fatherless boys that has to get by on the charity of its benefactors.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2014 12:34:45 GMT -5
I was closely involved with the Haymen center redo. We had alumni who put together a plan that had seats behind the basket and so much nicer design. They paid for all the plans themselves and would have done it at cost for LaSalle. LaSalle ended up not using them and spent more money on their own design and debacle. After that these Alums walked away from the program. LaSalle administration has a way of not only doing the wrong thing but pissing off people who are trying to help. That being said I hear the new business building looks real good on paper and maybe they have someone there that has some brains and vision now. They foolishly turned away from the companies that were involved with the design and construction of some of the respectable buildings on campus... the new (renovated ) science building, tree tops, communication center, library, basil. Long term relastionships were important with these firms for obvious reasons. I blame the new facilities guy who came from Temple.
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Post by big5vet on Nov 19, 2014 12:36:58 GMT -5
I was closely involved with the Haymen center redo. We had alumni who put together a plan that had seats behind the basket and so much nicer design. They paid for all the plans themselves and would have done it at cost for LaSalle. LaSalle ended up not using them and spent more money on their own design and debacle. After that these Alums walked away from the program. LaSalle administration has a way of not only doing the wrong thing but pissing off people who are trying to help. That being said I hear the new business building looks real good on paper and maybe they have someone there that has some brains and vision now. They foolishly turned away from the companies that were involved with the design and construction of some of the respectable buildings on campus... the new (renovated ) science building, tree tops, communication center, library, basil. Long term relastionships were important with these firms for obvious reasons. I blame the new facilities guy who came from Temple. Well written. I wholeheartedly concur.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 12:40:15 GMT -5
And as for the money, I agree, don't tell other people how to spend their money. You wanna donate- fine. You don't, or can't afford to do so- also fine. On that same beat, don't act like we're raising a collection to buy an inner city baseball team new uniforms either. The school costs over 50 thousand dollars a year to attend now. I know we're a small school and others get a whole lot more, and get state money, etc., but some people (not really on this thread but any time money is discussed) act like La Salle is some orphanage for Fatherless boys that has to get by on the charity of its benefactors. Valid... But La Salle is an institution based on the Christian Brother Education and St. John Baptiste De La Salle, the whole theory behind that is educating the poor. Sure, you can say that $50,000 is not something the poor can afford, but if you look at the financial aid etc. La Salle gives, it blows SJU, Nova, and the rest out of the water. Trust me, I want an arena as much or more than anyone else, but we shouldn't mortgage the entire future of the school (See SJU with some of their recent investments) for a new arena. After all, it is La Salle University, not La Salle Basketball that the kids attend. It is a part of the institution and the campus, but it can't be everything. We have been financially competent and with some new additions to the school, I think it will help enrollment etc. but lets not be so short sighted and close minded, the school matters
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Post by big5vet on Nov 19, 2014 12:40:16 GMT -5
I loved everything about that arena. How it looked from the outside, the fact that you entered on a concourse, the identical basketball and hockey arenas on either side of the building, etc. Outside of the hockey arena obviously, that's exactly what I'd want for La Salle, with maybe just a few hundred more seats. I hate when the issues with Gola get reduced to "no seats behind the baskets." That's an example, not the whole problem. There's no concourses at all, you enter the gym right under one of the baskets, half to walk behing the court to go to the bathroom, the concession stand mess, all of it. It is a high school gym, a nice one granted, in every way shape and form. I get tired of having this conversation, especially during the season, but that doesn't mean the points raised aren't right. And as for the money, I agree, don't tell other people how to spend their money. You wanna donate- fine. You don't, or can't afford to do so- also fine. On that same beat, don't act like we're raising a collection to buy an inner city baseball team new uniforms either. The school costs over 50 thousand dollars a year to attend now. I know we're a small school and others get a whole lot more, and get state money, etc., but some people (not really on this thread but any time money is discussed) act like La Salle is some orphanage for Fatherless boys that has to get by on the charity of its benefactors. Thank you for your well written message. I wholeheartedly concur.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2014 12:56:20 GMT -5
And as for the money, I agree, don't tell other people how to spend their money. You wanna donate- fine. You don't, or can't afford to do so- also fine. On that same beat, don't act like we're raising a collection to buy an inner city baseball team new uniforms either. The school costs over 50 thousand dollars a year to attend now. I know we're a small school and others get a whole lot more, and get state money, etc., but some people (not really on this thread but any time money is discussed) act like La Salle is some orphanage for Fatherless boys that has to get by on the charity of its benefactors. Valid... But La Salle is an institution based on the Christian Brother Education and St. John Baptiste De La Salle, the whole theory behind that is educating the poor. Sure, you can say that $50,000 is not something the poor can afford, but if you look at the financial aid etc. La Salle gives, it blows SJU, Nova, and the rest out of the water. Trust me, I want an arena as much or more than anyone else, but we shouldn't mortgage the entire future of the school (See SJU with some of their recent investments) for a new arena. After all, it is La Salle University, not La Salle Basketball that the kids attend. It is a part of the institution and the campus, but it can't be everything. We have been financially competent and with some new additions to the school, I think it will help enrollment etc. but lets not be so short sighted and close minded, the school matters According to SJU (pa) website 93 percent of students receive financial assistance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 13:05:48 GMT -5
SICGuy, its not what you get, its how much. SJU said theyre going to start accepting 90% applicants and just give limited financial aid bc of their financial situation. That was a rather ignorant comment as the % receiving is nothing, its the amount. I know from plenty of people, they give maybe a couple thousand because they can get people like you who just look at how many people receive money and that propaganda will be believed by too many.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 19, 2014 13:06:02 GMT -5
After all, it is La Salle University, not La Salle Basketball that the kids attend. It is a part of the institution and the campus, but it can't be everything. We have been financially competent and with some new additions to the school, I think it will help enrollment etc. but lets not be so short sighted and close minded, the school matters I could be wrong, but isn't there a proven link between sports success and enrollment/perception? Or did I make that up? Or is it just a short term bump?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 13:07:32 GMT -5
MisterD that is true. But you can't mortgage the future and hope that success follows. you need at least some kind of financial stability before you bet on that horse. SJU thought the same thing, they're struggling mightily with finances, not a place I want to be.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 19, 2014 13:24:07 GMT -5
They give smaller packages to a greater number of students. We give larger packages ($4k appox more) to smaller number of students.
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Post by talkinbball on Nov 19, 2014 13:34:01 GMT -5
All those who have been on both this (and previous) board(s) are currently having flashbacks. The boards and posters may change but this topic (and lack of actual progress) is a constant.
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Post by blueandgold on Nov 20, 2014 8:55:23 GMT -5
guys I have no idea what is so wrong about a D-I basketball program with an "arena" that is 3 basketball courts with slide out risers, one concession stand, and a swimming pool to fall into when it collapses one day. seems perfect to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 10:33:38 GMT -5
] guys I have no idea what is so wrong about a D-I basketball program with an "arena" that is 3 basketball courts with slide out risers, one concession stand, and a swimming pool to fall into when it collapses one day. seems perfect to me. You could end up with a scene like this. I can picture Mr & Mrs thehawkisdead celebrating after a big win over the Hawks at Gola and this happening.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 20, 2014 12:28:05 GMT -5
I also noticed on Saturday that the fitness center has yet to be started. I know it was delayed because of the work down on Belfield/business school but its the end of November now?
I have a seminar coming up before winter break. I hope some important heads will be in attendance especially one particular provost.
I know a facility is coming and I know it has been discussed with money specifically allocated for it. As said before and countless times they have a few options in terms of space it just a matter of when.
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