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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 15, 2014 12:16:17 GMT -5
That's true, and I have to think that this is something Wright had to be working on in the offseason. At this point, he is basically the offensive player he's going to be (well, at least his left hand is), so I hope this is the primary focus for him. I don't mind him picking up the occasional offensive foul for being aggressive and a little too physical, but he needs to be able to play defense without constantly committing cheap fouls and heading to the bench to get screamed at.
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Post by explorerman on Oct 15, 2014 12:26:39 GMT -5
Guard play specifically out of the PG spot has been and will always be the primary determinant of our success and really any team's success in Division 1 College basketball...
I really don't recall G hyping a player up as much as he has Stukes.. I haven't seem him in some time but have heard he has made progress. Quickness, perimeter shooting and decision making equating for the pace of play were all concerns.
I have seen Shuler first hand on a couple occasions and I feel comfortable in saying that between the both of them, I feel comfortable in them handling the point. Shuler can shoot from the perimeter (maybe not 40%, but certainly not Garland)..
Lewis, in my opinion, is a good backup PG/SG... Good defensively, below average offensively but quick and teams need that player on their roster.. You can pair him offensively gifted guards/SFs and there wouldn't be too much of a collective offensive fall off.. Because with his quickness and ball handling, he can be effective in the pick and roll
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 12:28:11 GMT -5
Kj. I heard 20 different explanations on that. Is this the final word? This was told to me and at least three other posters on this board, with two of them (jellybean and hideaway)who posted it in the Yevgen thread last week. Jellybean is correct. Originally they thought they were going to get three years in four years for Yevgen and the plan was to redshirt him. His strong play was making the staff consider having him or Shuler play this year. Again good news because both these guys look pretty good in the offseason. The NCAA made no decision necessary as he is ineligible this year. But he does get 3 years of eligibility so back to the original plan.
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Post by angryal on Oct 15, 2014 17:59:03 GMT -5
PS first time "stench" ever used as a verb (?). dictionary.reference.com/browse/stench
noun 1. an offensive smell or odor; stink.
2. a foul quality.
I'm guessing you aren't (or weren't) an English major.
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Post by angryal on Oct 15, 2014 18:02:35 GMT -5
Way to represent there A.A. Being a fan doesn't mean ignoring the obvious. I realize there aren't very many people on this forum grounded in reality, but I am.
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 15, 2014 18:06:36 GMT -5
I'm really not being left with very many options here am I?
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Post by golasalle on Oct 15, 2014 18:14:30 GMT -5
I'm really not being left with very many options here am I? DO IT!!!
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Post by MisterD on Oct 15, 2014 18:46:01 GMT -5
For real, do it.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 15, 2014 20:06:33 GMT -5
I don't know what the point of coming on here just to do that kind of stuff is.
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Post by blueandgold on Oct 15, 2014 20:48:06 GMT -5
PS first time "stench" ever used as a verb (?). dictionary.reference.com/browse/stench
noun 1. an offensive smell or odor; stink.
2. a foul quality.
I'm guessing you aren't (or weren't) an English major.lol you actually reinforced my point. thanks!
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Post by blueandgold on Oct 15, 2014 20:53:31 GMT -5
By the way, I caught Doc's quote about last year being a "bad year"... Kind of cool when you think about 15-16 and 7-9 in the A10 being a "bad year" when you think about where we were just a few years ago.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 15, 2014 21:43:52 GMT -5
By the way, I caught Doc's quote about last year being a "bad year"... Kind of cool when you think about 15-16 and 7-9 in the A10 being a "bad year" when you think about where we were just a few years ago. This is dead on... I like that he's excited about the leadership and chemistry, we never heard much about that stuff last year. Doc isn't one to heap unwarranted praise on people so the fact that he's praising guys like Schuler and Washington make me happy but when he talks about Jordan Price improving as a defender and Amar needing to continue improving his shooting, I think we know where the weaknesses will be on the team.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 15, 2014 21:49:36 GMT -5
And here's a nice comment from Angry Al that I found at the bottom of the Joe Juliano article: ANGRY_AL • 15 hours ago It would be nice if they surprised everyone and turned out to be good, but they probably won't. Even the schedule they put together - by its very weakness - tells outsiders, "We know we're going to stench."
Way to represent there A.A. I think Coach G was reading Al's comments : I won't tell the accountants how to do a tax filing, and I won't tell a mechanic what's wrong with a carburetor, and I don't listen to them about their recruiting ideas. Because the biggest mis-perception among people who haven't played or coached is that what they see now is how something is always going to be. If the team isn't good now, we're never going to be good. If that kid's not good, he's never going to be goodI'm wondering if Al is a mechanic or an accountant.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 15, 2014 22:11:49 GMT -5
I don't want to be lumped in with Al, but I find G's comment there to be somewhat ironic. I've always found him to be better at recruiting athletes than developing players.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 15, 2014 22:22:09 GMT -5
Yeah? I'm trying to mentally go down the list of G's best players and the only standout athletes I can think of in the top ~10 are Galloway and Garland.
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Post by casey44 on Oct 16, 2014 0:30:42 GMT -5
For whatever reason Angry Al has chosen his unique way of expressing himself. He is an explorer fan who has never ventured into politics. Why would anyone choose to silence him? This, after all, is just a basketball forum and none of us, despite our views of G, or any other coach, has any idea of what goes into the process. It is a means to vent frustrations and hopes. Al has never crossed a line that warrants a silence of his ideas, whether or not he constantly uses bold type. He is not Explorer Steve and deserves the same voice on the forum as anyone else.
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Post by calidelphia on Oct 16, 2014 1:30:06 GMT -5
True. But he does cross the line of a troll or instigator from time to time. As for giving him the same voice as everyone else on the board, I am all for that. Maybe start by giving him the same font as everyone else.
Back to the topic though.
I think G had done a great job in the three years he has had to work with Zack and Wright. Duren became on of the best guards La Salle has had in a LONG time under his tutelage and by his own hard work. G seems to focus heavily on developing the defensive side of the ball which does not get noticed as much as a 3 pt percentage or handle but I believe he does a great job with mindset and leaves technique to the players. If they are playing at A10 level they should have those basics in place. Should.
He recruits beyond his means and has put together some very solid teams using any method possible. I think this year could be another prime example. The "Athletes" have typically come from transfers, these were guys that were more highly sought after and oversold by coaches that under delivered. That is another opportunity for him to get a chance at bringing high level of talent player that might fall in love with an SEC or ACC name (South Carolina, Auburn, VT I'm looking at you). It looks like that may be the case this season too. But he has done a damn good job in developing his 3-4 year players. Fact is, it's tough to noticeably develop a transfer when you have them for maybe 2 seasons but there was no doubt Ramon came a long way from his junior to his senior year which goes for both the recruiting and developing sides of it. Especially in his mental game and leadership.
Needless to say the recent comments he and the returning players have made me feel much more at ease about getting a few wins this year. They sound like they learned a thing or two last year and have some confidence in their level of talent.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 16, 2014 8:18:19 GMT -5
I think some of that is true. I certainly look at Steve Zack and Tyreek Duren as guys that developed and became more complete players under G, but I think there is a much longer list of players that came in showing some promise and didn't get much better in the four years they spent here. Look at a guy like Rodney Green. Not a bad player, but he looked like the same guy to me in his senior year as he was in his freshman year. Same thing with Ruben Guillandeaux - the only thing that changed about him was the pronunciation of his last name. Or someone like Paul Johnson, who was a good defender from the start but never developed a complete game at any point in four years. Wright is good, but he has essentially one offensive move (granted, it's a good one) and never developed anything else. I'm not saying every coach turns every guy with promise into an NBA-caliber player, but I feel like G is lacking in this area. Especially because, as you mentioned, he recruits pretty well and gets some great transfers.
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Post by a10champion15 on Oct 16, 2014 9:21:30 GMT -5
You know how I handle idiots like Al you ignore them.
G recruiting has been great and his development of player has been pretty good. Wright has never been very good defensively and even though his moves are somewhat limited he is still unstoppable in the paint. He has become a very special player. Zack honestly far exceeded my expectations I tore the guy apart his freshmen year and thought he was just another bad pickup like Matt Lopez. This year I want to see Lewis and Petersen take a step forward.
My only criticism with G is his X and O coaching. Honestly, G is one of the more poor x and o coaches in the A10. Defensively he usually knows what he is doing but offensively last year he couldn't figure it out and it bugged the hell out of me. Sometimes it is hard to see how players are developing when he doesn't use them correctly. Zack needs to be shooting the ball much more often. Last year fell on Gs shoulders and so does this year. He has the talent and skill set this year for this team to be special. Managing the in game roster will be key for G. If Amar is this excellent PG that G is speaking so high about perhaps redshirting him wasn't the best idea but I understand G thought his team was more than capable.
This year is just so critical for G. It is either a turning point for him that can be either positive or affirm that we were just a one hit wonder.
Also, Welcome to the board manayunk!
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Post by MisterD on Oct 16, 2014 9:26:46 GMT -5
If Angry Al's whole deal is negative garbage here and elsewhere, and we're the main La Salle basketball board, I don't see any reason to allow it here. Why allow that article to be tied back to the board?
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 16, 2014 9:38:13 GMT -5
Thanks a10. You make some good points about G's in-game decision making and use of personnel. Remember those hockey-style line changes a few years ago? I hope we never have to see that again - and with a bunch of new faces and fewer experienced backcourt players, I fear there might be too much of that. Depth is obviously a good thing, but he needs to get these guys into more defined roles. That's something the team did really well when Galloway was here, but I suppose a lot of the credit for that may be attributed to Galloway's personality on the court. You're right - he needs to get these guys into the right spots, and I think that's an important part of developing players. I hope Petersen can step up this year, but I would be surprised (and maybe even shocked) if Khalid Lewis gave us anything useful. I really don't like what we saw of his game last year.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 16, 2014 10:04:57 GMT -5
Didn't he have turf toe and an injury to his shooting hand? If anything deserves a pass, its that combo.
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Post by a10champion15 on Oct 16, 2014 10:19:09 GMT -5
Didn't he have turf toe and an injury to his shooting hand? If anything deserves a pass, its that combo. Exactly. I just expect a much better year from Lewis. He definitely will be a valuable player off the bench. I really like that comment from G on Khalid's defense with Stukes. Petersen is also a good defensive player. Put Cleon or perhaps Wright out there as well with Zack. Roberts, Stukes, Lewis, Petersen and Zack...you want to talk about some defense. If you can get some decent offense out of this squad this be a nice lineup to have out there when you need a couple good defensive stops.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 16, 2014 10:24:08 GMT -5
Cool part of that lineup is that it doesn't even include the kid who could become our most dynamic defensive player.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 16, 2014 10:24:53 GMT -5
I hope so. It would be nice for Wright and Zack to be able to go out with a good season. Especially Zack, a guy who has worked hard to get better and had to watch the Sweet 16 run from the sidelines.
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Post by a10champion15 on Oct 16, 2014 10:47:14 GMT -5
Cool part of that lineup is that it doesn't even include the kid who could become our most dynamic defensive player. Are you talking about Washington?
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Post by MisterD on Oct 16, 2014 11:18:32 GMT -5
I'm talking about Washington. Probability may not be high, but if everyone peaked, he'd peak the highest.
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Post by coqui900 on Oct 16, 2014 11:20:10 GMT -5
I really want to see some kid on St. Peter's have to deal with Zack and Tony Washington trapping him.
I also know it would never happen, but I want to see at a few minutes this season where JW/Steve and TW are on the floor at once.
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Post by manayunk53 on Oct 16, 2014 11:34:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind being a team that is focused primarily on defense. A team like Wisconsin doesn't make for the most exciting basketball from an outside observer's point of view, but I'm sure their fans don't mind when they're winning games 55-50. It would be awesome to play the way VCU does - maybe with a lot of good defenders G might try to do something like it?
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Post by calsufan on Oct 16, 2014 11:45:12 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Angry Al at all. What he calls being realistic, I call being negative 24/7. As someone else pointed out, he's not an Explorer Steve. As long as he stays away from politics and religion, I don't think he should be banned even if I do think he's a constant whiner. Freedom of speech should reign on this board as long as it stays on basketball and it doesn't devolve into profanity laced trolling or tirades.
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