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Post by scarletexplorer on Sept 22, 2014 14:12:22 GMT -5
+ OJ Lewis, + Hank Davis (or as someone put it, Arcade Fire guy), not that either will see any real time.
Realistically though, I'd love to have those options. Start Zack and Wright, and sub in Washington from the bench. Or just play one of them when they go small. Rotating Stukes and Shuler at the point, with Lewis, would be great as well. The depth we would have at the 2-3 positions would be amazing, especially in drag out games or games with foul trouble. Depth is what's killed us more than anything the past couple years.
Agree Jermaine is the odd man out.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 22, 2014 14:14:57 GMT -5
In my mind, one of those guys isn't in the rotation, one should be highly variable based on opponent and two more are "unless needed due to ineffectiveness and/or foul trouble", so the actual rotation is closer to 8.5. But I think that's the heart of the debate; do you minimize a player's career minutes total in order to gain some on the front end with a potentially very, very good roster?
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Post by MisterD on Sept 22, 2014 14:15:50 GMT -5
(And to answer my own question: Yes. Especially in the case of Shuler who, for all we know, is the best PG on our roster this very minute.)
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Post by scarletexplorer on Sept 22, 2014 14:23:09 GMT -5
If we play everyone, and all the newcomers meet or exceed expectations, I can see DJ, Lewis, and Rohan getting squeezed a bit.
If we don't play Yevgen or Shuler, then Lewis and DJ get more time. I see Rohan as the one with most to lose in either scenario.
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Post by coqui900 on Sept 22, 2014 14:45:21 GMT -5
Do we have to worry about transfers if some minutes are limited? Obviously it doesn't matter with the seniors. I also imagine anyone who transferred in or redshirted already (Amar, Khalid) are sort of stuck since they wouldn't want to waste another year not playing.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 22, 2014 14:58:39 GMT -5
You'd think, right? Thing is, G does a great job on net transfers, to the point of near perfection. Only Partin (that I can remember) has been solid elsewhere and he was a guy who needed to step a level down.
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Post by lwc4591 on Sept 22, 2014 16:10:10 GMT -5
Y. Sauhniuk is probably a better all around player than Rohan (particularly on offense) at the four spot but if T. Washington is better than expected we could afford to red shirt Yevgen. Really based on the little I know our top nine players are Wright, Zack, Price, Roberts, Sauhniuk, Stukes, Lewis, Washington and Shuler. I like Rohan a lot but his problem is he is small for the four spot with limited handle and slightly below average shooting. Our fours are Washington at 6-10, Sauhniuk at 6-7 and Rohan at 6-5. I believe the good doctor will red shirt Yevgen and go with Wahington and Brown at the four. Eight players will get most of the minutes so I hope Dr. G makes good decisions which I believe he will because he knows these players pretty good by this point.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Sept 22, 2014 19:24:54 GMT -5
This is frustrating-Brown is not a 4.
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Post by lasalle89 on Sept 22, 2014 21:36:11 GMT -5
You don't have to worry about finding minutes for everyone. You play the best players you have the most. Period. If Lewis , Rohan and Dj can't get on the floor that's a good thing. If we want to get to the post season we should not redshirt anyone and let it be a battle for playing time.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 22, 2014 22:17:35 GMT -5
Color me biased (or wrong), but Rohan feels like a Weingarten type where you'd rank him way higher in terms of wanting / trusting him on the floor than you would in overall skills.
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Post by jellybean on Sept 23, 2014 7:57:51 GMT -5
I believe the NCAA ruled on Yevgen's eligibility and I doubt they allow La Salle or any other University the option of when they "start the clock". I also don't believe this is considered a redshirt technically. He is simply ineligible.
Can someone tell me how the NCAA handled other situations similar to this?
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Sept 23, 2014 8:05:26 GMT -5
Looks like I may have a minority view here. But, I have been pretty pleased with the way Coach G has employed red shirting during his tenure. My take is he brings a sound "big picture" approach to the decisions- considering what is in the overall best interest of the program and what is in the best interest of the student/athlete. Looks like others may have a diferent view here.
After hearing the coach's interview in the Spring it sounded like red shirting Shuler was a tough call, but where the coach was leaning. It looks like from where the coach sits some situations like this are not so clear cut. As to the Ukie kid, if he is red shirted I trust the coach will have good reasons. Frankly, I would like to see him play this year. He brings some unique skill sets I think we could use.
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Post by a10champion15 on Sept 23, 2014 8:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Sept 23, 2014 8:28:27 GMT -5
Looks like I may have a minority view here. But, I have been pretty pleased with the way Coach G has employed red shirting during his tenure. My take is he brings a sound "big picture" approach to the decisions- considering what is in the overall best interest of the program and what is in the best interest of the student/athlete. Looks like others may have a diferent view here. Definitely not. I don't think there's a single instance you can look back on and say a Giannini decision to redshirt was the wrong call, especially when view in the context of a player's career contributions. This season just feels different. As much as I don't want to view it this way, it feels a bit like a window closing year. Maybe the transfers and the kids are awesome and its more of a personal unknown than actual end point, but Wright and Zack graduating closes the door on that tourney team and I'd like to see one more all-in run.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 9:14:51 GMT -5
The NCAA made Gerun sit out the first 6 games since it was determined he played 3 games against pros in the Ukraine. www.wvusports.com/page.cfm?story=22297Yevgen played an entire season (not sure of how many games but I assume it was no less than 15-20 games or a number comparable to a 30 game college schedule) against pros in the Czech Republic. I just don't see how Yevgen would be allowed to play immediately based on this info. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA ruled he had to sit out at least 15-20 games and if he played the remainder of the season that he would burn one of his three years of eligibility. If that's the case, to me it's a no-brainer and you sit him out. I would much rather have him for three full seasons than two and a half. Myself and some others on here are trying to get clarification on this situation now. I was told both in May and July by someone very close to the program that the NCAA would make him sit this season out, but that was before any formal ruling was issued so maybe La Salle got better news than they anticipated. But I just don't see him being able to play from day one based on past rulings. The NCAA made Len sit 11 games and Gerun sit 6 games, and those guys only played a small amount of games in the Euro pro leagues. It wouldn't make sense for Yevgen to have immediate eligibilty based on the NCAA's track record with this.
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Post by a10champion15 on Sept 23, 2014 9:49:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure how eligibility exactly works in this case. Perhaps someone could reach out to josh verlin who may be able to clarify on the situation since he spoke to yevgen.
With the issues going on in Ukraine perhaps the NCAA gave him the option to play immediately similar to a hardship waiver but only has three years of eligibility. Who knows will find out soon.
kjmac next time you should probably get clarification before you dish out personal attacks when someone questions something you think you know the answer too.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 23, 2014 10:06:11 GMT -5
Maybe making the tournament earns us favorable (BCS level) decisions for a couple of years?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 12:11:44 GMT -5
kjmac next time you should probably get clarification before you dish out personal attacks when someone questions something you think you know the answer too. What the hell are you talking about?
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Post by MisterD on Sept 23, 2014 12:15:20 GMT -5
Jeez, someone woke up with mayonnaise on their cheesesteak today!
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Post by calsufan on Sept 23, 2014 12:19:33 GMT -5
kjmac next time you should probably get clarification before you dish out personal attacks when someone questions something you think you know the answer too. Color me stupid (and I've been called that more than my fair share), but where the hell was the attack in kjmac's post? I don't see it.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Sept 23, 2014 12:24:35 GMT -5
I love when these threads go off the rails as soon as legit basketball debate breaks out.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 23, 2014 12:28:51 GMT -5
[resets "__ Posts Since Last Petty Fight" counter to zero]
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Post by scarletexplorer on Sept 23, 2014 12:46:12 GMT -5
So for the second time ever (first being "I'm glad we made the tournament"), everyone here is on the same page. This can't possibly work out.We have a winner.
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Post by a10champion15 on Sept 23, 2014 13:10:00 GMT -5
[resets "__ Posts Since Last Petty Fight" counter to zero] Exactly why I'm not going to continue it. It should be obvious. Absolutely no need to take away from the discussion. If yevgen were to play I'm curious who people think he would fit best with on the floor? I'm not exactly sure how good his outside shooting is. Is he a legitimate threat from the arc?
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Sept 23, 2014 16:55:04 GMT -5
If it is correct that Yevgen only has three years of eligibility, he should still have four years to use it, so red-shirting him shouldn't be out of the question if everyone else is healthy and playing well.
Normal players have five years to use their four of eligibility, so four years to use three has to accurate. Right NCAA?
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 23, 2014 18:27:35 GMT -5
I'll ticket split here: I want Shuler in the line-up Day 1, but I can live with Yevgen Red-Shirting in order to help him adjust to the team, system, school, nation, etc.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Sept 23, 2014 19:53:00 GMT -5
What he said.... I can be ok with that.
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Post by explorerman on Sept 23, 2014 20:10:08 GMT -5
If it is correct that Yevgen only has three years of eligibility, he should still have four years to use it, so red-shirting him shouldn't be out of the question if everyone else is healthy and playing well. Normal players have five years to use their four of eligibility, so four years to use three has to accurate. Right NCAA? Correct
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Post by lasallescreamer on Sept 23, 2014 20:13:57 GMT -5
I want Shuler but want Yevgen too. I want an extra big guy. Cant count on Davis; Washington is not experienced and an international kid who is 6'7 and who can BANG AND RUN would be fantastic. I am not counting on RB to fill that role. Yevgen will understand-Screamer will cheer; Band will play the fight song and he will play BB. Not complicated. Why look for reasons to have less than full strength available?
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Post by hideaway on Oct 10, 2014 6:10:22 GMT -5
Yevgen will in fact redshirt this year. The good news is that Shuler's play has warranted he WILL NOT redshirt this year. Leaves us with plenty of depth for this year's team.
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