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Post by lasalle89 on Mar 16, 2014 10:37:50 GMT -5
He said in the post game conference after they beat NC St. "Come on man.. The Atlantic 10 getting 6 teams? Put them in our conference and see how they do". He goes on to say if u put the A 10 in the ACC meat grinder they couldn't compete. Some sour grapes from Coach K? Or maybe he just influenced the committee to drop on of ours for one of theirs. As of now Lunardi has 6 A10 and 5 ACC
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 16, 2014 11:05:51 GMT -5
Coach K is probably correct in that no way 6 A10 teams belong but then again he failed to mention that no way his Dukies should be losing anywhere close to 5 or 6 games year in and year out with 8,9 or 10 All Americans on his team. K A10 is overrated but so very much are you. A number of coaches would do more with the talent he has and I go easy on cheese nose because Dean Smith was the ultimate under achiever.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 16, 2014 11:08:29 GMT -5
Coach K being Coach K. Whining. Lost a lot of respect for him a long time ago.
Chris Mack also whined about Georgetown would be 2nd best team in A10. The same Georgetown team who's head coach is now under fire for his handling of the program.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 16, 2014 11:11:15 GMT -5
I posted on the A-10 board about this, and I get why he's saying it, but certainly there are more classy ways to express those sentiments.
ACC and Big East not happy the A-10 is flourishing, rather than crumbling, after all of these things that rightfully could have killed it.
Maybe some of the ACC schools should play some real games in the non-Con, maybe even *gasp* on the road.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 16, 2014 11:24:53 GMT -5
I go easy on cheese nose because Dean Smith was the ultimate under achiever. NPOA |
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Post by durenduren on Mar 16, 2014 12:48:28 GMT -5
Maybe some of the ACC schools should play some real games in the non-Con, maybe even *gasp* on the road. This was my take-away as well. |
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 16, 2014 12:55:18 GMT -5
Maybe some of the ACC schools should play some real games in the non-Con, maybe even *gasp* on the road. This was my take-away as well. Guess this tells us what he thinks about trading non-con games with our inferior league in exchange for rights to Barclays... |
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 16, 2014 13:12:35 GMT -5
I think NCState should get credit for losing all those games to good teams. That was really impressive, how they did that.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 16, 2014 13:26:27 GMT -5
This was my take-away as well. Guess this tells us what he thinks about trading non-con games with our inferior league in exchange for rights to Barclays... I can't blame him though. They don't have much to gain by playing A10 teams in the OOC. High risk, low reward. |
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Post by scarletexplorer on Mar 16, 2014 13:59:52 GMT -5
I think NCState should get credit for losing all those games to good teams. That was really impressive, how they did that. That was my favorite part of it. "You look at NC State, who should have beat Syracuse twice." Except they didn't. I didn't think selection had to do with games that teams should have won. If that's the case, I fully expect to see La Salle penned in tonight as the number one overall seed. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 16, 2014 14:15:24 GMT -5
I mean I get he's got represent his league, but there's classier ways to do that.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 16, 2014 20:06:16 GMT -5
ACC has 8 teams in the KenPom Top 50, the A10 just 3. Expand that to KenPom's Top 55, the A10 jumps to 6 with UMass, Dayton, and SJU taking the 51st, 52nd, and 53rd spots respectively. The next closest team out of both conferences is NC State at 66, the focus of Coach K's "you got screwed" debate.
ACC had 5 teams in RPI Top 50, A10 had 6. Those 6 teams were also 8-2 versus the ACC (granted were Wake Forest x2, VT, etc and just one Top 25 RPI win in VCU-UVA).
Think this is more of an issue that RPI is a fairly crappy barometer when compared to KenPom, which I think is a more fair and representative analogy. I think Coach K's comments were a low blow, but I can't say he's wrong - things would be much different if we went through the "meat grinder" of the ACC, although he didn't give the A10 its due.
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Post by coachd on Mar 17, 2014 15:01:46 GMT -5
He said in the post game conference after they beat NC St. "Come on man.. The Atlantic 10 getting 6 teams? Put them in our conference and see how they do". He goes on to say if u put the A 10 in the ACC meat grinder they couldn't compete. Some sour grapes from Coach K? Or maybe he just influenced the committee to drop on of ours for one of theirs. As of now Lunardi has 6 A10 and 5 ACC The ultimate college hoops narcissist still doesn't believe his team was beaten by Lehigh in the NCAA tournament. I'd love to have a crack at beating Duke on a neutral court in an early season tournament. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 17, 2014 17:04:05 GMT -5
ACC has 8 teams in the KenPom Top 50, the A10 just 3. Expand that to KenPom's Top 55, the A10 jumps to 6 with UMass, Dayton, and SJU taking the 51st, 52nd, and 53rd spots respectively. The next closest team out of both conferences is NC State at 66, the focus of Coach K's "you got screwed" debate. ACC had 5 teams in RPI Top 50, A10 had 6. Those 6 teams were also 8-2 versus the ACC (granted were Wake Forest x2, VT, etc and just one Top 25 RPI win in VCU-UVA). Think this is more of an issue that RPI is a fairly crappy barometer when compared to KenPom, which I think is a more fair and representative analogy. I think Coach K's comments were a low blow, but I can't say he's wrong - things would be much different if we went through the "meat grinder" of the ACC, although he didn't give the A10 its due. But doesn't this get a bit circular? There's some projection in Kenpom, but its limited by a relative lack of data on mid-majors playing BCS schools. By mostly avoiding the mid-majors and playing only lesser teams OOC, they (1) avoid the risk of losing to mid-majors at all and (2) eliminate the chance of elevating mid-majors. The "best" only play the best and the worst and the middle beats up on the middle because the middle doesn't have the massive separation of best versus worst. If mid-majors / the A-10 teams were as harmless and next tier down as Coach K portrays them, why are they consistently avoided or offered 2-for-1s? Until there's conference matchups mandated OOC, this garbage will continue. "Prove you can hang with the majors" paired with an inability to get the majors to schedule you. |
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Post by durenduren on Mar 17, 2014 17:54:03 GMT -5
It totally is circular. But Coach K is the ring leader of the boys club, and he's got to protect himself and your position in a premier conference because that's your ticket to big money and marque names. This "Barclays" thing is only time I've heard of a mid-major athletic conference having any kind of leverage against a BCS conference, enough to bring them to the table atleast. And I can understand why they'd be pissed with A10 matchups coming to the schedule when filling your OOC schedule with 225+ RPI teams did the job before.
And I think that brings us to the weighted value of "a joke of an OOC + brutal conference schedule" versus a midmajor scenario with generally consistent, but not crushing schedule'across the board. But people equate BCS as a "meat grinder" and A10 as a "joke," often unfairly. The whole system is a media driven, money fueled biased bullshit machine - #24 SMU didn't even make the tournament. It's all media, all money, all the time. And 90% of it doesn't make sense because the old boys club doesn't want to share.
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