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Post by calsufan on Mar 14, 2014 11:48:56 GMT -5
They're talking about moving the 2017 games to Nassau Coliseum? Excuse me while I go throw up.
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Post by explorergolfer17 on Mar 14, 2014 13:07:07 GMT -5
I know no team is located there but what about the Giant Center in Hershey. Centrally located for the most part. Would get fans from all over. Stadium is less roughly 10 years old and holds 8,000 which is better size than Barclays or wfc.
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Post by calidelphia on Mar 14, 2014 13:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 14, 2014 13:52:00 GMT -5
A10 is closer to scheduling acc teams next year for OOC. Duke coming to Gola??? haha
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 13:54:40 GMT -5
A10 is closer to scheduling acc teams next year for OOC. Duke coming to Gola??? haha La Salle already has an ACC game scheduled for the 2014-15 season: Miami at the Palestra. Highly unlikely they'll get one as part of this agreement.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 14, 2014 13:54:55 GMT -5
A10 is closer to scheduling acc teams next year for OOC. Duke coming to Gola??? haha UNC played Penn at the Palestra a few seasons ago. Regardless, I would imagine any ACC team coming to PHL to play us and SJU would require those games be either at WFC or Palestra. Although, FSU came to Gola a few years ago. I'm sure VCU and SLU will get the cream of the crop of the ACC in Duke and UNC, maybe Dayton as well. The rest of the conference would be fighting over UVA, NC State, Wake Forest, etc. Which would really be fine with me. Don't we get Miami at home in 2014?
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 14, 2014 14:10:24 GMT -5
I know no team is located there but what about the Giant Center in Hershey. Centrally located for the most part. Would get fans from all over. Stadium is less roughly 10 years old and holds 8,000 which is better size than Barclays or wfc. Is there a draw to Hershey in mid-March besides just having an arena? If that's all we're looking for, there's a new 10000 seat hockey arena in Allentown. But we need a destination that will draw for more than basketball.
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 14, 2014 14:12:13 GMT -5
I have absolutely no interest in ever going to the Nassau Coliseum. Even worse for travel than Brooklyn, with far less to offer visitors in an older building. It would be a ghost town.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 14, 2014 14:53:52 GMT -5
Maybe we could hold it in Montauk somewhere.
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Post by player71 on Mar 14, 2014 15:01:14 GMT -5
TRENTON!!!
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 14, 2014 15:14:36 GMT -5
It seems to me that we're realistically looking at Richmond as the site of this tournament, unless it goes back to AC.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 14, 2014 15:53:18 GMT -5
Nassau Coliseum would be the absolute worst scenario. I pay lip service to being an Islanders fan, so I've been there a dozen or so times, and it's got kind of a quaint, neat, "this is our dump" thing going, if you're looking for it. But it's also an absolute relic. And pretty inaccessible by public transportation, and nowhere near anything except the hotel that's in the same parking lot.
Imagine being the 3rd Tournament in town in the same week as the Big East and ACC, and playing in legitimately the 5th best arena in the NY Metropolitan area? If they drew 2000 people for any of those games, I'd be amazed. That should be a deal-breaker. Unless La Salle's getting a 10 year commitment from Duke, UNC, or Syracuse for 5 home and home's, I'm not at all interested in bowing to them if we have to play in Nassau Coliseum for a few years.
Can't we just make our deal, get out of Brooklyn and go elsewhere without having to play out there? Why would that be part of the deal?
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Post by big5explorer on Mar 14, 2014 15:58:16 GMT -5
Why not the Giant center in Hershey?
1. It is central to all these teams.
2. The facility is nice, but not NBA huge.
3. Harrisburg airport nearby.
4. No one with a home court advantage.
5. Chocolate!
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 14, 2014 16:14:54 GMT -5
Things you can't change: This tournament will be held the 1st or 2nd weekend in March, so however nice a place is in the summer time is irrelevant.
It's going to be far for some people, no matter where you play it.
The A-10 can't come close to filling up an NBA sized arena, so if you go that route, you're going to be looking at 10,000 empty seats.
The balance of the conference has shifted, to the South. Adding VCU, George Mason, Richmond (12 years ago) and next year Davidson has pulled down the center of gravity.
Right now, I think Baltimore is an interesting idea, depending on how long the CAA is there. Close enough to Philly and DC where 4 of your 14 teams play (calling Mason DC here). Then the next circle out from that is Richmond( Richmond and VCU) 2 and a half hours. It's very easily accessible from New York by train (as the sea of Yankee fans every time they play at Camden Yards will attest). And it's only 4 few hours from Pittsburgh (Duquesne). Again, I don't know how possible that is with the CAA there now. But it's a thought. The same arguments I guess hold true for DC, although I don't know where you'd do it there, unless you start talking Verizon Center.
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Post by golasalle on Mar 14, 2014 16:34:19 GMT -5
Things you can't change: This tournament will be held the 1st of 2nd weekend in March, so however nice a place is in the summer time is irrelevant. It's going to be far for some people, no matter where you play it. The A-10 can't come close to filling up an NBA sized arena, so if you go that route, you're going to be looking at 10,000 empty seats. The balance of the conference has shifted, to the South. Adding VCU, George Mason, Richmond (12 years ago) and next year Davidson has pulled down the center of gravity. Right now, I think Baltimore is an interesting idea, depending on how long the CAA is there. Close enough to Philly and DC where 4 of your 14 teams play (calling Mason DC here). Then the next circle out from that is Richmond( Rihchmond and VCU) 2 and a half hours. It's very easily accessible from New York by train (as the sea of Yankee fans every time they play at Camden Yards will attest). And it's only 4 few hours from Pittsburgh (Duquesne). Again, I don't know how possible that is with the CAA there now. But it's a thought. The same arguments I guess hold true for DC, although I don't know where you'd do it there, unless you start talking Verizon Center. This is an interesting idea. Watching the CAA tournament, the commentators and coaches interviewed were very praise-worthy of the town and the facility. The Baltimore Arena (formerly the Civic Center) is where the old Baltimore Bullets used to play. It is pretty old but I think it got a renovation fairly recently. Capacity is around 14K, I think. It looks like the Colonial is committed for 3 yrs but their tournament is a week earlier than the A10 so it could work if the Arena is willing to commit to back to back hoops tourneys.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 14, 2014 21:48:04 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the Prudential Center?
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Post by durenduren on Mar 14, 2014 21:55:23 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the Prudential Center? I hate anything Devils, so no. But seriously, at what point does the NYC market become too saturated with simultaneous tourneys at MSG and Barclays?
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 14, 2014 22:19:43 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the Prudential Center? I hate anything Devils, so no. But seriously, at what point does the NYC market become too saturated with simultaneous tourneys at MSG and Barclays? Yeah, if lose Barclay's to the ACC, you don't stay in NY. I'm already not wild about being in the same city with the Big East (that classic "Big East" matchup of Creighton and Xavier tonight notwithstanding. But definitely not playing 3rd banana.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Mar 14, 2014 22:33:02 GMT -5
It seems to me that we're realistically looking at Richmond as the site of this tournament, unless it goes back to AC. You have NO IDEA how much of home game that would be for VCU.... They would absolutely OWN the arena... I've been to 4 CAA championships in Richmond... All were Black and Gold as far as the eye could see... Prudential Arena in Newark has ALL of the amenities required and it's easier to get to than any building in NYC
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 14, 2014 22:41:43 GMT -5
OK, so same time as both the Big East AND ACC Tournaments, actually in New York City, and you want to try to draw people to Newark at the exact same time? If you broke 10000 cumulative for attendance to all 4 days, I'd be surprised.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 14, 2014 22:55:04 GMT -5
I think it's time the A10 makes it's mark in it's own city, stop jostling for position with the leagues we'll never have more pull than.
It's tough to not think Philadelphia over all other options from a money perspective, 4th largest US city. Wish convention hall was still around, sorta-not-really. Would be a damn shame that we could claim Philly as the A10's, solidify that, and have no worries. Who's building the arena?!
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 14, 2014 23:08:45 GMT -5
It seems to me that we're realistically looking at Richmond as the site of this tournament, unless it goes back to AC. You have NO IDEA how much of home game that would be for VCU.... They would absolutely OWN the arena... I've been to 4 CAA championships in Richmond... All were Black and Gold as far as the eye could see... Prudential Arena in Newark has ALL of the amenities required and it's easier to get to than any building in NYC I'm fully aware of it. That's the problem. I see no good options.
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 14, 2014 23:47:30 GMT -5
All points considered - why not Barclays the years ACC is in Carolina (to maintain the high-profile venue), milk the ACC for OOC beginning 2015-2016 through 2020-2021 (to benefit RPI/SOS), and find a way to make the Palestra or DC work (to avoid the years away from Brooklyn seem like we are falling on our face and going to low-profile venues)?
Going away from Barclays permanently seems like a backwards move given the "NEXT" movement, steady increase of NCAA / NIT bids, fighting off the realignment poachers, etc.
PS quite frankly - wasn't AC a big disappointment overall, esp the attendance issues? They were practically handing students tickets, getting busses of grade school kids to games, and later resorting to on campus first-round games (which actually is still not a terrible idea given at least the stands will be packed - but maybe not the best to ensure TV coverage).
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 14, 2014 23:50:28 GMT -5
Yeah I'll admit I'm huge on AC mostly because I like it, but I understand attendance was pretty poor. But it's pretty poor in Brooklyn too I think. I don't really know where you could put it, except Dayton or Richmond, that would fill it up. And doing it in those 2 cities would just fill it up with fans of one particular fanbase.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 15, 2014 8:29:34 GMT -5
Read somewhere the possible ACC-A10 games would be in the 2016-17 season.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 15, 2014 8:34:22 GMT -5
It seems to me that we're realistically looking at Richmond as the site of this tournament, unless it goes back to AC. You have NO IDEA how much of home game that would be for VCU.... They would absolutely OWN the arena... I've been to 4 CAA championships in Richmond... All were Black and Gold as far as the eye could see... Prudential Arena in Newark has ALL of the amenities required and it's easier to get to than any building in NYC Can't beat taking the train to Penn Station in NYC and walking up stairs? Brooklyn is another story. Prudential Center is fine. Take train to Newark and walk a city block. Is the Meadowlands Arena still around?
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Post by talkinbball on Mar 15, 2014 9:16:23 GMT -5
I think DC would be a good choice.
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Post by player71 on Mar 15, 2014 10:42:27 GMT -5
Selfishly I'm all for Newark as it would be easy to get to for me. The arena is great and the accessibility is great as well.
And yes the Meadowlands Arena (Izod Center) is still there and actually is easy to get to with the train line from Secaucus (just don't take that train to the Super Bowl!!).
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Post by jellybean on Mar 15, 2014 11:04:00 GMT -5
Talk is having Doubleheaders. Geography doesn't work completely IMO.
Here is something quick and dirty based on ranking each team in the conference by all time wins. I am leaving Miami FL out because they have the lowest all-time wins and ACC will have one more team.
La Salle (8)- Wake Forest and sju(pa)(1)-UNC either at Wells Fargo or a day-night at Palestra. UMASS (12)- Clemson and URI(4)-Notre Dame in Hartford or Providence VCU (13)-BC and Rich (9)-UVA unless they already play? in Richmond GMU (14)- Fla. St and GW (10)-Va Tech (might need to flip VT and UVA) Fordham (3)-Syracuse and SBU (11)-Georgia Tech in Barclay's. Sorry SBU has to travel to make this work. Don't see as a problem.
Here's the rub. Don't see doubleheaders so maybe these teams get a home game.
Dayton (2)- Duke. UD would love that. SLU (7)-Pitt Duquesne(5)-Louisville Davidson (6)-N C State in Charlotte?
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Post by explorerman on Mar 15, 2014 17:45:20 GMT -5
Regarding the expansion I can offer this... A fairly recent update actually..
COC, Siena and Boston University have all been discussed. Every candidate school has it pros and cons that existing A-10 schools will fight over. Academics, basketball success, etc.
However all of the expansion talk depends on another entity. During the early parts of Winter, it was talked about among A-10 leadership that they were hearing that the Big East wasn't going to expand; however, leadership is hearing otherwise. Naturally, the conclusion is being drawn that the BE is an inferior conference to the A-10 in basketball this year and that Fox will not stand for this and pay the money that they are paying for an inferior product.
More on this later if wanted..
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