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Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 20, 2014 8:15:50 GMT -5
You can see so many holes when JW is out. Once again, look what happened following his injury. Pow!!!
As far as passing it around for 33 seconds and getting a bad shot off - IMO Mills and Peterson pass up good shots consistently during those 33 seconds.
Our offense is sputtering in great part (absent JW) because the only shooter we have is Tyreek. I consider Tyrone a driver/scorer. And it looked like he was trying to pick up fouls as much as hitting the shot when driving last night. Zack was exhausted.
Dr. G has been forced to tinker with Lewis, Garland and even Mills bringing it up because Tyreek is the sole shooting threat outside the paint. Teams must salivate when they think of the pleasure of guarding DJ, Mills and Lewis.
Another thing is our lack of an athletic high-flyer to inject enthusiasm. Many of Galloway's last year ignited fires. If you take away JW - I bet we've had a dozen dunks all year. Probably all by Zack. This should be handled by Roberts and Price next year (I hope).
Any current info on Tony Washington? Because we need a solid backup up front. Rohan is just not tall enough and Jermaine isn't an answer.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 20, 2014 8:24:24 GMT -5
A very down year. However, it is important that the team, coaches and fans refrain from finger pointing as next year is the most important thing now. Last year was great-the year before pretty good and the program is growing. A bad year will not destroy the progress- only dissention can do that. I am hoping for best for rest of year and looking forward to Brooklyn. If we do not win it, lets rally around the new guys ands hope G does things a bit differently so we can get it going again. Lets go Explorers!
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Post by durenduren on Feb 20, 2014 8:31:19 GMT -5
I'm not about to blow smoke up Giannini's ass, but I'm also not convinced this year falls on him more than the players. You can only coach the ball in the basket so much. 30% from the field ain't gonna win you games, regardless of the scheme.
You can only a polish a turd so much, because at the end of the day it's still just a pile of shit.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Feb 20, 2014 8:52:24 GMT -5
Can someone please do some research and tell me what the average field goal percentage of our opponents is this year. It seems to me the opponent is always shooting in the 46-49% range. That can't be good.
More than his offense, I think this team misses Ramone's defensive intensity.
Over the 10 year G reign, defense has never seemed a strong suite and to me this plays into JW and SZ's foul problems.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 20, 2014 9:09:18 GMT -5
I'm not about to blow smoke up Giannini's ass, but I'm also not convinced this year falls on him more than the players. You can only coach the ball in the basket so much. 30% from the field ain't gonna win you games, regardless of the scheme. You can only a polish a turd so much, because at the end of the day it's still just a pile of shit. I agree with a lot of what you say and disagree with a lot too. Yes the players deserve blame but the coach deserves just as much if not more. Kale had a snippet during the broadcast where G said he vastly overestimated the shooting abilities of the players. He said that was on him. Really, who didn't know Garland was a scorer and not even an average percentage shooter. That Duren, Mills and Peterson are standstill shooters from 3. That Lewis had a poor FR shooting percentage at Delaware. The coach has a reputation for improving player's shooting ability. More importantly, you look at their strengths and put them in position to be effective. I didn't see that this year and Galloway disguised their flaws the last couple of seasons. Case in point, look at practically every team that plays us. If they move the ball and the man they get looks. If Peterson needs a wide open look from the corner then design a play and move the ball. If you want Duren/Garland to penetrate have Mills on the wing where they can kick it out to him ( not happening because he's on the other side of the court). If Wright is going to be double-teamed ( SLU WANTS YOU TO DOUBLE THEM) have someone for him to kick it out to. Play a two man game. Mills would be perfect. What do we see? No one comes to help Wright because they are all back past the arc. If you want to set a high ball screen why not use someone like Peterson instead of Wright/Zack for the screen. That way you can play another two man game. Pick and pop. Saves the bigs energy, reduces the chance of them being called for illegal screen and makes the defense respect them down low. No one follows the bigs out there. I'm sorry but the scheme is bad. You design plays if get better shots not continue to do what hasn't worked. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It still bothers me that Duren said something to the effect that the only plays they have are to get the ball to Wright. What is practice like then? I also question the discipline. I understand you have to give players some freedom but after a while you need to clamp down. Too many times the play breaks down and guys think they had to put it up. Too many times Rohan or Steve are left to take a jumper that is out of their range. Lewis has to be told his role (it's not as a scorer today). It has been plain as the nose on your face that opponents see us as limited offensively. They overplay Duren and collapse on the bigs. That leaves practically everyone else open. GW game down there was classic example. They left Garland open and dared him to beat them from the outside. They forced the ball to him. The kid was wide open so naturally he takes the shot. Unfortunately he missed the outside jumpers. GW took away our strengths and forced the ball to our weaknesses. We didn't adjust. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 20, 2014 9:18:01 GMT -5
Can someone please do some research and tell me what the average field goal percentage of our opponents is this year. It seems to me the opponent is always shooting in the 46-49% range. That can't be good. Last update had us mid-pack (176 of 345) and that'll get better with the Dayton game going under our average. Pair that w/ our Kenpon numbers (opponents O-rank 40th and our D-rank 89th) and we're not all that bad. Always feels worse than it really is.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 20, 2014 9:18:44 GMT -5
Comes down to coaching fellas. G deserves a D- for this year. Once again no movement on offense no system. Team looked dead. The amount of coin lost on this year is mind boggling. G better bring it next year I am inclined to agree here about the O. I do not think our guards this year have proven to be good enough to play in the O coach G runs. Too much emphasis on making your own shot. Not enough guys who can do this. I guess a question would be if the system were different this year how much better would they be? Maybe alittle? alot? Maybe those missed open shots and the layups missed fall in an O where more plays were run to get a particular guy open to get his shot? While the O has been the most glaring woe! General execution has certainly declined. Many more errors made than last year on both ends of the floor from what i am observing. Also, they do not play with poise or seem confident and not nearly as disciplined. Maybe the lack of O/poor shooting has infected the rest of their game? Bottom line is it is the coach's job to make adjustments and address all of the woes. I think, we are progressively playing worse.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 20, 2014 9:54:39 GMT -5
Jellybean, I don't disagree with a word you're saying, especially with the discipline we've seen and the reluctancy to break from the same old scheme. But I'm not sure Coach K could coach his way out of the way this team plays on offense - they simply don't execute anything outside the paint. Overestimating your guys, whatever
I'm all with you, there's plenty of blame to go around and I'm not trying to make Giannini out to be infallible.
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Post by sweat83 on Feb 20, 2014 9:55:09 GMT -5
And I'm getting tired of G's sideline antics. Maybe the boys are too.... And I've seen a change in this department this year. A change in what sense? Better? I thought it was better the past 2 years due to the winning. But as the frustration of losing mounts this year, it appears to have gotten worse. Not as bad as the Murray days, but still not what one would expect from a guy with a PHD in Sports Psychosis. It's a little embarrassing as a fan and alum.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Feb 20, 2014 10:22:12 GMT -5
Can someone please do some research and tell me what the average field goal percentage of our opponents is this year. It seems to me the opponent is always shooting in the 46-49% range. That can't be good. Last update had us mid-pack (176 of 345) and that'll get better with the Dayton game going under our average. Pair that w/ our Kenpon numbers (opponents O-rank 40th and our D-rank 89th) and we're not all that bad. Always feels worse than it really is. Thanks for the research. There you have it. We're a middle of the pack team so finishing .500 is appropriate.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 20, 2014 10:36:34 GMT -5
Jellybean, I don't disagree with a word you're saying, especially with the discipline we've seen and the reluctancy to break from the same old scheme. But I'm not sure Coach K could coach his way out of the way this team plays on offense - they simply don't execute anything outside the paint. Overestimating your guys, whatever I'm all with you, there's plenty of blame to go around and I'm not trying to make Giannini out to be infallible. Coach K would tailor a system toward the strengths of his team. What did they say about Bear Bryant? He would beat you with his players or beat you with your players. He would design a system that plays to your strengths.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 20, 2014 10:51:38 GMT -5
If you're saying we should let Dr. Coach go if Coach K shows interest, I'm on board. I imagine Giannini is too.
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Post by blueandgold on Feb 20, 2014 10:59:47 GMT -5
WOOF.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 20, 2014 20:04:54 GMT -5
Welcome to the foul line Sam Mills. First attempts in ELEVEN games. Wow. Wow. Did not realize that. In the last 22 games. Mills is 7-10 from the FT line including his 2-2 last night. BTW, he was 10-11 in first 3 games of the season. In last 22 games, he is averaging 6.5. He started the season with 11.3 in first 3 games. Sure would have been nice if he kept that pace.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 20, 2014 20:52:55 GMT -5
And I've seen a change in this department this year. A change in what sense? Better? I thought it was better the past 2 years due to the winning. But as the frustration of losing mounts this year, it appears to have gotten worse. Not as bad as the Murray days, but still not what one would expect from a guy with a PHD in Sports Psychosis. It's a little embarrassing as a fan and alum. I see him getting animated on the sidelines, but he yells at his players a lot less. Again, just one man's opinion.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 20, 2014 21:58:50 GMT -5
I've only gotten to one game (VCU) but I thought the same. Whereas his ire percentage used to be like 90/10 players/ref I thought he was tipped on the other side of 50/50 in that one. Worked his ass off to get a late tech over a non-call but the refs were ready to go to center city because Nugget Nectar AND Stone Enjoy By were on tap oh no wait that was me ... but for real, it was (I thought) a very noticeable change. Not sure if it was because he didn't have guys he felt he needed to ride or what, but he was far less brutal.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 20, 2014 22:00:12 GMT -5
And by that last part, I mean he's not a dummy, he's not going to scream over missed shots. If they're in the right spots and not making idiot decisions, you really can't scream all that much. In hindsight, having finally witnessed a cohesive winner, I can see where past rosters would be infuriating with blown assignments and bad shot selection.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 20, 2014 22:08:38 GMT -5
but the refs were ready to go to center city because Nugget Nectar AND Stone Enjoy By were on tap oh no wait that was me. i would have consumed enough nugget nectar following the VCU game to convince myself I was a Troegs brother.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 21, 2014 10:02:35 GMT -5
And I've seen a change in this department this year. A change in what sense? Better? I thought it was better the past 2 years due to the winning. But as the frustration of losing mounts this year, it appears to have gotten worse. Not as bad as the Murray days, but still not what one would expect from a guy with a PHD in Sports Psychosis. It's a little embarrassing as a fan and alum. Sweat you are certainly entitled to your opinion and your reactions to coach G but I do not share them. This to me is embarrassment- . Please if anyone has heard anything to the contrary speak up. From what I have observed from I must confess a distant vantage point- my take on the coach and his relationship with the players is----he cares about his players and they know it. He has well developed and established relationships with them. They know that is where he is coming from, they take no offense and can handle his emotional style and expression. Has there been rumblings about player complaints? Am I missing something? Obviously Sweat you take offense and apparently Sweat this is unacceptable to you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 6:42:27 GMT -5
When the Dayton "bigs" are able to give them anything you know you stink. Ohio State stinks Syracuse stinks Stanford stinks, they lost to Dayton by TEN Again though, even the steepest possible drop-off from Galloway should have produced more than this. There's no way this team should end up where they will, which is probably 14-17 at best. Forget about everything that happened after March 8th last year, and its still a hugely disappointing season. Drop off, fine. Missing Galloway more than we expected, fine. 6-10 in the A-10 and finishing 9th with a team of almost entirely upperclassmen? Not OK. Last year, team's success revolved around Ramon. In the below example, Ramon G. put up 16 pts and 6/1 Asst/TO vs UMass and La Salle lost 61-60. They lost in spite of Ramon having a decent average game. content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/basketball/ncaab/game/umass_lasalle/2013/01/30#box-scoreIn the below example, Ramon G. put up 4 pts on 1/10 shooting and 6 A/ 4 TO vs. Butler and La Salle lost 69-58. content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/basketball/ncaab/game/Butler_LaSalle/2013/03/15#box-scoreRamon came alive and put up astounding numbers at times, especially late in March. He shot 62% vs. Ole Miss (8/13) including 60% from three (6 makes). You guys, I like all of your passion for La Salle and this is by no means only Neumann's error. I think a lot of us including me expected this season that the NIT was a sure thing and another bid was about 50% if not more likely, as was finishing in the top 3 in the A10. But please evaluate what Ramon actually brought to the team, and understand that La Salle hasn't had a player as talented and energetic as him in 24 years. The psychological effect of a player getting 16 pts on average coming out and then shredding the net against Ole Miss no doubt threw us over the top in many games. Without Galloway's stats we would have lost to Ole Miss by 15. Even with Ramon's average performance, we lost to the talented UMass team on their best night (Ramon 16P, 6A/1TO) and we got smoked by Wichita State (Ramon 11 P, 3 A/ 4 TO). www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/game/boxscore/l.ncaa.org.mbasket-2012-e.67313/
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 28, 2014 7:03:22 GMT -5
When the Dayton "bigs" are able to give them anything you know you stink. Ohio State stinks Syracuse stinks Stanford stinks, they lost to Dayton by TEN I don't think that is fair. Dayton was: - an Aaron Craft runner from being out in the first round
- a Tyler Ennis three pointer from being out in the second round
- matched up against a streaky, but at times struggling Stanford team with an RPI in the mid-40s for the S16
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Post by jellybean on Mar 28, 2014 8:27:54 GMT -5
Weird situation. La Salle Softball plays at Dayton tomorrow. Last 2 A10 teams to advance the farthest in last 2 NCAAs. See pictures of the UD campus? People from all over the state of Ohio coming to campus just to be get some of that feeling. Should be a wild Saturday night in Dayton.
Go Flyers. Go Don Earle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 8:29:18 GMT -5
Ohio State stinks Syracuse stinks Stanford stinks, they lost to Dayton by TEN I don't think that is fair. Dayton was: - an Aaron Craft runner from being out in the first round
- a Tyler Ennis three pointer from being out in the second round
- matched up against a streaky, but at times struggling Stanford team with an RPI in the mid-40s for the S16
You are right, none of this is fair. Losing two out of three to the Bonnies to take your otherwise .500 team and sending them home early March is very 2006esque and it is below what this team was capable of, for sure. But it's also not fair to try to say you can replace Galloway with x + y + z. It was not just one player we lost, it was exponential the effect of Ramon's departure. How do you replace an 8/13 FG line with 60% beyond the arc? That was from Ramon's last win as an Explorer, 12 months ago. A lot of our wins in 2013 were by 3 pts or less: vs Nova, at Bonnies, vs Butler, vs Dayton, vs KState, vs Ole Miss.
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 28, 2014 14:04:37 GMT -5
7 hours ago Hykos1045 said :
[/quote]You are right, none of this is fair. Losing two out of three to the Bonnies to take your otherwise .500 team and sending them home early March is very 2006esque and it is below what this team was capable of, for sure. But it's also not fair to try to say you can replace Galloway with x + y + z. It was not just one player we lost, it was exponential the effect of Ramon's departure. How do you replace an 8/13 FG line with 60% beyond the arc? That was from Ramon's last win as an Explorer, 12 months ago. A lot of our wins in 2013 were by 3 pts or less: vs Nova, at Bonnies, vs Butler, vs Dayton, vs KState, vs Ole Miss.[/quote]
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