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Post by 23won on Feb 17, 2014 17:48:38 GMT -5
A10 has 6 teams in as of today. Much can change, but Mass, StL, VCU, GW are solid and SJU and UR are play-in seeds. We are tied with Pac 12 and Big 10 for most teams in. espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
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Post by MisterD on Feb 17, 2014 19:21:54 GMT -5
St. Joseph's of PA 66th kenpom and leaping over two higher A-10 teams to claim a spot. The author must really like what he sees out of them!
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Post by durenduren on Feb 18, 2014 0:05:48 GMT -5
St. Joseph's of PA 66th kenpom and leaping over two higher A-10 teams to claim a spot. The author must really like what he sees out of them! That's really weird stuff. I should probably sign up for Lunardi's Bracketology course at SJU so I can have a better understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 0:55:05 GMT -5
St. Joseph's of PA 66th kenpom and leaping over two higher A-10 teams to claim a spot. The author must really like what he sees out of them! He must have been overwhelmed by their astounding defensive performance on Saturday. When have you ever seen a team play such great defense that they were not whistled for their first foul until there was 5:25 left in the first half? I've been going to college basketball games for over 40 years and can't recall ever seeing that happen before. Outstanding coaching on Martelli's part. In addition, they were so good at not fouling (12 fouls the entire game with one of them intentional in the last 10 seconds of the first half) that La Salle never came remotely close to going into the bonus and only went to the line 9 times the entire game (yet the Hawks were shooting one and one with 12:30 left in the game and went to the line 22 times). Just an amazing job, holding a team that averages going to the line 23 times per game to only 9 foul shots. Martelli is a genius.
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 18, 2014 7:37:52 GMT -5
St. Joseph's of PA 66th kenpom and leaping over two higher A-10 teams to claim a spot. The author must really like what he sees out of them! That's really weird stuff. I should probably sign up for Lunardi's Bracketology course at SJU so I can have a better understanding. Save your money it's just 50 minutes of Lunardi flapping his arms, 3 times a week
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Post by lasalle89 on Feb 18, 2014 8:18:46 GMT -5
Hate St Joes but would love to see six A10 schools get in. That would be very impressive and create a lot of talk around the country.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 18, 2014 10:05:02 GMT -5
Hate St Joes but would love to see six A10 schools get in. That would be very impressive and create a lot of talk around the country. Would be great for the conference, and in turn La Salle... But this would probably put the Big East on the hot stove. That could set off another round of conference realignment across a handful of conferences, and I'm tired of that nonsense.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 18, 2014 10:19:36 GMT -5
I would rather us get 5 teams. Or 4.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 18, 2014 10:30:43 GMT -5
If St. Louis wasn't out the door to the Big East already, you can bet this season clinched it.
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Post by 23won on Feb 18, 2014 10:42:41 GMT -5
St. Joseph's of PA 66th kenpom and leaping over two higher A-10 teams to claim a spot. The author must really like what he sees out of them! He must have been overwhelmed by their astounding defensive performance on Saturday. When have you ever seen a team play such great defense that they were not whistled for their first foul until there was 5:25 left in the first half? I've been going to college basketball games for over 40 years and can't recall ever seeing that happen before. Outstanding coaching on Martelli's part. In addition, they were so good at not fouling (12 fouls the entire game with one of them intentional in the last 10 seconds of the first half) that La Salle never came remotely close to going into the bonus and only went to the line 9 times the entire game (yet the Hawks were shooting one and one with 12:30 left in the game and went to the line 22 times). Just an amazing job, holding a team that averages going to the line 23 times per game to only 9 foul shots. Martelli is a genius. Good points, but in fairness it's not limited to us. In their home win over U Mass, SJU shot 40 FTAs to U Mass's 20. Most of UMass's team was in foul trouble and it definitely disrupted tier play. In their home win over VCU, they had an advantageous 20 FTAs to VCU's 12. What was really frustrating was that VCU was down 2 in the waning seconds and Traveon Graham drove the lane and lowered his shoulder just like he did against us, but it was a block for us and a charge for SJU. Of course, in our home game, we fouled them 19 times and they were comfortably in the bonus, whereas they fouled 12 and had a pretty solid FTA advantage. I think we intentionally fouled Galloway at the end, but bottom line they had 22 FTAs to our 9 and there was a lot of contact on their part around the hoop that wasn't called. Miraculously, they shot 30 FTAs to St Louis's 17 in a home loss. St Louis has the best D in the league and showed it when they held Joe's to 6% (1-15) shooting from behind the arc, but the zebras gave the Hawks a fighting chance with the huge FTA disparity. Of course, in the 3 road losses the Hawks suffered, the home team had an FTA advantage. Isn't it odd that the same UMass team that shot more FTAs at home shot 20 less than the Hawks at Hagan? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I do detect a trend in SJU's ascent this year.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 18, 2014 11:28:57 GMT -5
A home/away fouls per 40 disparity list would be pretty interesting. Not specific to this discussion, just in general and going over a decent span of seasons.
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Post by coachd on Feb 18, 2014 12:09:07 GMT -5
St. Joseph's of PA 66th kenpom and leaping over two higher A-10 teams to claim a spot. The author must really like what he sees out of them! He must have been overwhelmed by their astounding defensive performance on Saturday. When have you ever seen a team play such great defense that they were not whistled for their first foul until there was 5:25 left in the first half? I've been going to college basketball games for over 40 years and can't recall ever seeing that happen before. Outstanding coaching on Martelli's part. In addition, they were so good at not fouling (12 fouls the entire game with one of them intentional in the last 10 seconds of the first half) that La Salle never came remotely close to going into the bonus and only went to the line 9 times the entire game (yet the Hawks were shooting one and one with 12:30 left in the game and went to the line 22 times). Just an amazing job, holding a team that averages going to the line 23 times per game to only 9 foul shots. Martelli is a genius. So Martelli bought you a surf and turf dinner along with the 3 officials on Saturday night also, right?
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Post by durenduren on Feb 18, 2014 12:47:56 GMT -5
If St. Louis wasn't out the door to the Big East already, you can bet this season clinched it. Agreed. Don't want to see Dayton or VCU get into the mix though, despite Dayton's fans being absolute crumudgeons the majority of the time. Think an SLU departure puts them next in line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 13:27:34 GMT -5
He must have been overwhelmed by their astounding defensive performance on Saturday. When have you ever seen a team play such great defense that they were not whistled for their first foul until there was 5:25 left in the first half? I've been going to college basketball games for over 40 years and can't recall ever seeing that happen before. Outstanding coaching on Martelli's part. In addition, they were so good at not fouling (12 fouls the entire game with one of them intentional in the last 10 seconds of the first half) that La Salle never came remotely close to going into the bonus and only went to the line 9 times the entire game (yet the Hawks were shooting one and one with 12:30 left in the game and went to the line 22 times). Just an amazing job, holding a team that averages going to the line 23 times per game to only 9 foul shots. Martelli is a genius. Good points, but in fairness it's not limited to us. In their home win over U Mass, SJU shot 40 FTAs to U Mass's 20. Most of UMass's team was in foul trouble and it definitely disrupted tier play. In their home win over VCU, they had an advantageous 20 FTAs to VCU's 12. What was really frustrating was that VCU was down 2 in the waning seconds and Traveon Graham drove the lane and lowered his shoulder just like he did against us, but it was a block for us and a charge for SJU. Of course, in our home game, we fouled them 19 times and they were comfortably in the bonus, whereas they fouled 12 and had a pretty solid FTA advantage. I think we intentionally fouled Galloway at the end, but bottom line they had 22 FTAs to our 9 and there was a lot of contact on their part around the hoop that wasn't called. Miraculously, they shot 30 FTAs to St Louis's 17 in a home loss. St Louis has the best D in the league and showed it when they held Joe's to 6% (1-15) shooting from behind the arc, but the zebras gave the Hawks a fighting chance with the huge FTA disparity. Of course, in the 3 road losses the Hawks suffered, the home team had an FTA advantage. Isn't it odd that the same UMass team that shot more FTAs at home shot 20 less than the Hawks at Hagan? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I do detect a trend in SJU's ascent this year. The games you mention were all at St Joe's, so it's not surprising they got homecooking there. But they somehow managed to be treated like the home team at Gola on Saturday. Going into the game, La Salle and St Joe's had almost identical foul stats for the season. Both averaged around 16 personal fouls and 23 free throw attempts per game, yet for this game, the numbers were St Joe's 12-22 and La Salle 19-9. The game was basically decided during the last 4 minutes of the first half when they closed with a 9-2 run while both Wright and Zack sat with 2 fouls each, and then a minute into the second half when Jerrell picked up his third they extended the lead from 9 to 16. Jerrell's first two fouls were a joke as were Steve's third and fourth. I understand that La Salle did not play well and blew a few chances to take it down to the wire, but it should have never come to that. This is a different game if it was officiated better. I can only imagine what it will be like at Hagan.
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Post by broderickpresident on Feb 18, 2014 13:49:22 GMT -5
I personally wonder how much more attractive the Big East is than the A-10. FS1 has literally zero eyeballs on it. There's a chance the Big East withers and dies without ESPN to nurse it back to health. A-10 teams get significant airplay on NBCSN, CBS Sports Network and the ESPN channels. My point is that both leagues have essentially all games televised and mostly are only seen by people specifically seeking those games out (whereas ESPN will get casual viewership). The only thing that ever made the Big East exceptional was all the exposure it got (the success followed, especially for a program like UConn).
Meanwhile, the Big East could potentially have as few as 2 teams in the field this season. DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall and St. John's have been of no consequence in ages. Butler has lost its golden ticket to relevance (Stevens) and Creighton's is on his way out (McDermott). I would imagine Marquette, Xavier and Georgetown will bounce back from "down years", but there's really nothing great about that league and they lost a TON of exposure by leaving ESPN. After all, the league was built by ESPN, and could easily fade into irrelevance without it.
It's going to be really hilarious when the Big East semis at the Garden are played in front of a half-full house. They better hope the Johnnie's go on a deep run. They're going to miss Cuse, Pitt, UConn and ND fans packing the house.
I'll have to dig and see how much respective league members actually get from their TV contracts, because that's what it likely boils down to. Very good chance BE got big money from FS1 based on its brand name since Fox needed the programming very badly.
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Post by Gnocchi on Feb 18, 2014 14:10:20 GMT -5
NPOA
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Post by durenduren on Feb 18, 2014 14:22:23 GMT -5
I personally wonder how much more attractive the Big East is than the A-10. FS1 has literally zero eyeballs on it. Being a homer I don't think the Big East has anything on the A10, minus the money (which is bigger point than I'm willing to give credit for). But I think there's a reason why they fought for the 'Big East' name. And I think there's a stigma that is equally associated with the A10. You're totally right though, the Big East gambled on this Fox Sports 1 bullbird that's flopping more than Marcus Smart. They're in trouble after this year.
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Post by 23won on Feb 18, 2014 14:37:35 GMT -5
Folks are thinking the Big E will get 5 teams in this year. They deserve 3 but are hanging around mainly because the ACC has a logjam past the top 5 and ESPN can't shill them too much - yet. If the BE teams below the top 2 continue to play .500 ball, they could wind up with 2, but I think X should be able to elevate and maybe Providence. However, if they don't distinguish themselves, the BCS schools and the networks behind them will lobby hard and leave the BE with a light envelope. They've been waiting to do this for years as there is a lot of pent-up anti-East Coast media bias, particularly in the West where the Pac 12 and non BCS conferences are far stronger this year.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 18, 2014 15:18:25 GMT -5
Somebody has been listening to us in Newport News. A10 just launched a new national media campaign.
whowantsnext.com
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 18, 2014 17:17:34 GMT -5
I personally wonder how much more attractive the Big East is than the A-10. FS1 has literally zero eyeballs on it. There's a chance the Big East withers and dies without ESPN to nurse it back to health. A-10 teams get significant airplay on NBCSN, CBS Sports Network and the ESPN channels. My point is that both leagues have essentially all games televised and mostly are only seen by people specifically seeking those games out (whereas ESPN will get casual viewership). The only thing that ever made the Big East exceptional was all the exposure it got (the success followed, especially for a program like UConn). Meanwhile, the Big East could potentially have as few as 2 teams in the field this season. DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall and St. John's have been of no consequence in ages. Butler has lost its golden ticket to relevance (Stevens) and Creighton's is on his way out (McDermott). I would imagine Marquette, Xavier and Georgetown will bounce back from "down years", but there's really nothing great about that league and they lost a TON of exposure by leaving ESPN. After all, the league was built by ESPN, and could easily fade into irrelevance without it. It's going to be really hilarious when the Big East semis at the Garden are played in front of a half-full house. They better hope the Johnnie's go on a deep run. They're going to miss Cuse, Pitt, UConn and ND fans packing the house. I'll have to dig and see how much respective league members actually get from their TV contracts, because that's what it likely boils down to. Very good chance BE got big money from FS1 based on its brand name since Fox needed the programming very badly. I agree with all of this, but it still the name. It's been severely diminished, but there's enough left where it still is an attraction. You are right though, if Nova bows out early, and you're looking at say Creighton, Xavier, Marquette, and let's say Providence, well that just screams "Big East" now doesn't it. They'll be playing to lots of empty chairs at the Garden. The thing though with St. Louis, like we've said, is they're a real geographic outlier. Next closest team in the A-10 is Dayton, then Duquesne. So even if all other things were equal (which they're not, although it's closer than the Big East would like), they'd be likely to go Big East, with Creighton, Marquette, Butler, and DePaul all reasonably close, especially compared to what they have now.
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Post by Gnocchi on Feb 18, 2014 18:31:03 GMT -5
Folks are thinking the Big E will get 5 teams in this year. They deserve 3 but are hanging around mainly because the ACC has a logjam past the top 5 and ESPN can't shill them too much - yet. The Big East and A-10 each has 6 teams right now with records above .500 in conference. The Big East teams are 7-18 or .280 against the AP Top 25 and the A-10 teams are 2-8 or .200. Villanova has the highest-profile wins, over Kansas and Iowa, Xavier beat Cincy, Creighton beat 'Nova twice and Providence and St. John's each beat Creighton, as did GW. The other A-10 Top 25 win was VCU over Virginia, at Virginia early in the season before UVA got rolling. Taking Creighton out of the mix leaves the A-10 with that one Top 25 win and the Big East with 3, Kansas, Iowa and Cincy. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/standings/_/id/4/year/2014/big-east-conferenceThe really curious and underreported common element in the Top 25 wins is that in every case the winner's best insider scorer was benched after picking up 2 fouls in the first half...
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Post by vasalos on Feb 18, 2014 19:21:03 GMT -5
...and you guys are forgetting the resident bracketologist. Updated daily. A-10 have 5 teams as of today. They had 6 before Baylor moved in. Explorertown Bracketologist
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Post by broderickpresident on Feb 20, 2014 19:40:09 GMT -5
I'll have to dig and see how much respective league members actually get from their TV contracts, because that's what it likely boils down to. Very good chance BE got big money from FS1 based on its brand name since Fox needed the programming very badly. Unofficially, the A-10 TV deal is $40M over 8 years. The BE is $140M over 7. That's a huge difference
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 20, 2014 21:50:43 GMT -5
Yeah, we can hope for the A-10 closing the gap, and maybe having the better conference one year every now and then. But we're still not in range of the Big East. And we won't be, as long as they have the power to take our top teams.
Best thing for the A-10 vis a vis the Big East would be Fordham, La Salle, St. Joe's, GW, and Mason getting real good. Market-wise, those teams won't ever be invited to the Big East because of existing teams.
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Post by big5explorer on Feb 22, 2014 13:44:27 GMT -5
If the A10 gets 5 in, or even 4 in again, should they at all be considered a mid-major in any way, by anyone, anymore? I'm tired of going onto these smartphone or ipad score update app sites and finding the A10 among the list of mid-majors. 4 teams into the Tourney, consistently, is what a major conference produces.
Compare the current A10 to the PAC 10 for the last 10 years. Look at how many of the A10 teams have made the Tourney, the sweet 16, the Elite 8, the Final 4. The A10 is a major confernce. It isn't the Big East, or the ACC, but I am so sick of the A10 getting no respect because they don't have bowl-bound football teams, or because they don't have 40,000 students at each school.
And, really, what is the Big East anymore? What has St. John's, Providence, DePaul, Seton Hall, or even Georgetown done in the last decade or two?
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Post by durenduren on Feb 22, 2014 14:02:12 GMT -5
The A10 will always be mid-major, warranted or not. Until there's no question you'll place 4 or 5 teams in the tourney each year, it'll remain that way. And even then...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 7:13:01 GMT -5
Does La Salle need to win the next 4 straight now (5 including yesterday) just to go on the road in the N.I.T.?
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Post by lasallescreamer on Feb 27, 2014 8:13:07 GMT -5
That's probably not enough. Isnt there a CIT?
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Post by goexplorers on Feb 27, 2014 9:06:56 GMT -5
No way that's enough. That puts us at 17-15 with a loss in the A-10 quarters. That equals "class at 9 AM tomorrow" as G said last year.
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Post by ltrain38 on Feb 27, 2014 11:27:18 GMT -5
That's probably not enough. Isnt there a CIT? I agree, that's not enough. But I can't see why we'd want any part of a pay-to-play third rate tournament. Maybe if we had a team of freshmen that would benefit from the experience. But not with this group. If we don't make the NIT (which would take a miracle at this point, so I'm not counting on it) or somehow win the A-10 tournament, the season should be over.
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