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Post by lasalle89 on Dec 17, 2013 9:27:09 GMT -5
Watched 30 for 30 on ESPN about Youngstown OH and Maurice Claret(sp?). I am just sick over it. He is the running back who was a true freshman in 2002 and led Ohio St to the national title. Just unbelievable how this young man was treated by the AD. In a nut shell Maurice's best friend was killed right before the national championship game in Ohio. Maurice wanted to go to the funeral. They told him fly out to Arizona with the team for the Fiesta bowl and then we will get you a flight home and back. Well the AD didn't want him going to a gang bangers funeral because it would tarnish Ohio St image. He told Maurice you didn't file the paperwork for a special circumstance so you can't go! Maurice was devestated and made the mistake of his life. In an interview in the days before the national championship game he told the media what happened. Well the AD made it HIS LIFE'S MISSION to screw Maurice. He essentially kicked off the star running back for a violation that coach Jim Tressel caused!!! Maurice needed a car cause his broke down so he went to Tressel and Tressel sent him to the car dealer. Well you can guess when it hit the fan Treasel did not stand up for Maurice and the AD put the screws to Maurice and suspended him for the entire sophomore season! So then Maurice says I am going to go to the NFL but the NCAA and NFL cartel block him because he is not out of college long enough. You can imagine the rest. Gets caught up with the wrong people and becomes an alcoholic and when the 2005 combine comes he is a shell of himself and he has no career and no money and turns to a life of crime and goes to prison. Watch it if you can because this young man has a good heart. I didn't like Ohio St before but after this......
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Post by big5explorer on Dec 17, 2013 10:16:12 GMT -5
Sounds like everything happened to him , like he was a 9 year old kid. He "got caught up with the wrong people" instead of " he hung out with thugs." He "became an alcoholic" instead of " he decided to drink too often and too much." A lot of my friends also had no car in college, but somehow they figured out how to get around.
There are thousands of college football players who never graduated or never played professional ball. But somehow they avoided crime and prison.
I have no sympathy.
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Post by jellybean on Dec 17, 2013 10:18:57 GMT -5
I mentioned a long time ago about a tremendous HS Women's Soccer player in the area who I understand got a full ride to Ohio State. She tears her ACL after either FR or Soph season. Ohio State had recruited a great incoming class. We all know these scholarships are one year renewable contracts. Ohio State did not renew her scholarship. I don't know if they even needed to give her a reason. The parents were obviously very angry with the state of affairs. The father literally jumped into his car and immediately drove to Columbus. Just like a scene from a movie, he sat outside the Athletic Director's office until the AD would see him. The father made his case and his daughter got her scholarship back. Unfortunately, she was never the same player and had to quit the sport. Ohio State kept her on full scholarship until she graduated.
Not to hold Notre Dame as the only school to do what's right but I also mentioned that a local HS football player severely injured his knee on the first day of practice. He never played again. Notre Dame honored his four(in those days) year scholarship. He became a Judge in Montgomery PA county.
Morale of the story. Don't take their crap. Confront them face to face. Do your homework and be polite. Those people don't like to answer hard questions or be accountable. Same goes for local, state and federal officials.
If the moderator wants to move to the other board that's fine with me.
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Post by talkinbball on Dec 17, 2013 10:38:55 GMT -5
I could never understand how Maurice Clarett (sp?) did not win his lawsuit to play in the NFL. As we all know, basketball players can come out after only one year so why can't football. Baseball players get drafted out of high school all the time. Hockey seems even more lenient. Seems like nothing more than collusion on the part of the NFL and NCAA to keep him out.
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Post by lasalle89 on Dec 17, 2013 10:53:03 GMT -5
Big5 I suggest you watch it before you weigh in so strongly. I use to have your attitude but as I have grown older and wiser I am not as critical of kids who come from poor neighborhoods and broken homes with no direction. These NCAA coaches tell their moms that they are going to care for their kids like their own and the moment they don't need them turn their back on them. Everyone wanted a piece of this kid after the NCAA title. A picture, an autograph, and Ohio St totally screwed him. An AD who was called on the carpet for what he did screwed this kid. We can't always look at their situation through our eyes. I highly doubt I would be where I am in life if I grew up in some of these kids shoes.
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Post by mookie on Dec 17, 2013 11:03:31 GMT -5
I could never understand how Maurice Clarett (sp?) did not win his lawsuit to play in the NFL. As we all know, basketball players can come out after only one year so why can't football. Baseball players get drafted out of high school all the time. Hockey seems even more lenient. Seems like nothing more than collusion on the part of the NFL and NCAA to keep him out. Collusion? Far from it. The CBA does not allow it... I actually believe it's the NFLPA that does not want to allow players to come in... |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 17, 2013 11:18:03 GMT -5
Which is still collusion. Are you surprised current post-college players don't want more college players entering?
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Post by talkinbball on Dec 17, 2013 11:20:29 GMT -5
Which is still collusion. I was thinking the same thing. |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 17, 2013 11:21:16 GMT -5
Big5: I don't agree with your take (even a little), but I can understand it a little. The problem is when people on your side don't really care about a person's life going to shit AND don't care that the institution used them up and helped them down the road to shit. Those are the worst people in these cases, the ones who are older, profiting and then claim ignorance or immunity from their part. I imagine even more than the pros, major college coaches are shitheads. Big reason I love G.
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Post by mookie on Dec 17, 2013 11:33:23 GMT -5
Which is still collusion. Are you surprised current post-college players don't want more college players entering? talkinbball mentioned it was collusion between the NFL and NCAA which is definitely not the case. It's a requirement agreed upon by the NFL and the Players in collective bargaining, thus exempt from anti-trust and not collusion. For there to be collusion, there must be an agreement between 2 parties to limit competiton through deception or misleading. None of that exists in this case. |
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Post by stlexplorer on Dec 17, 2013 12:05:36 GMT -5
Jan 1, 2006: Clarett robbed 2 people with a .45 caliber handgun, stealing a cell phone.
August 9, 2006: Clarett was arrested after making an illegal U-turn and leading police on a high speed chase. Upon being caught, Clarett spit on and fought the officers requiring him to be pepper sprayed and tased. Inside the SUV he was driving, was 2 swords, a loaded AK-47, 2 loaded handguns and Clarett was wearing KEVLAR BODY ARMOR.
The 30 for 30 was interesting but there's plenty of stories of university's and the NCAA screwing people who aren't violent felons. I'll choose to feel bad for them not Clarett.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 17, 2013 12:17:28 GMT -5
Mookie, its still collusion, its just legal.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 17, 2013 12:21:00 GMT -5
(As in: That terms exists in a non-prosecutable offense. It doesn't have to be illegal to be collusion.)
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Post by durenduren on Dec 17, 2013 13:41:48 GMT -5
Not speaking on this story specifically, but we all know NCAA athletics are more business than educational institutions, especially at those "top tier" schools. These kids know that, and that's what you get if you go that route. Not saying it's morally correct, but it's no secret.
Guess there's a fine line between whether or not it's your right to play athletics or if that's an gift in of itself. Excluding injuries, we all know that the gift of scholarship has been taken advantage of once or twice.
That aside, Clarett's excuse that some adversity in life drove him to alcoholism and a highspeed pursuit is a tough sell. I know it's not as clean cut as that, but that's what it's really boiling down to. Legal collusion, for sure, but why expect less from anything the NCAA gets their hands on.
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Post by coqui900 on Dec 17, 2013 13:48:08 GMT -5
I didn't see this yet but Youngstown is one of the truly most depressing places in the country. That someone who grew up under a microscope there would fall into inner city ills and end up making a lot of poor choices isn't hard to imagine. In fact, it's sadly predictable.
I'm so appreciative that I was able to grow up middle-class with a solid family. I know how lucky I am.
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Post by mookie on Dec 17, 2013 14:14:19 GMT -5
Jan 1, 2006: Clarett robbed 2 people with a .45 caliber handgun, stealing a cell phone. August 9, 2006: Clarett was arrested after making an illegal U-turn and leading police on a high speed chase. Upon being caught, Clarett spit on and fought the officers requiring him to be pepper sprayed and tased. Inside the SUV he was driving, was 2 swords, a loaded AK-47, 2 loaded handguns and Clarett was wearing KEVLAR BODY ARMOR. The 30 for 30 was interesting but there's plenty of stories of university's and the NCAA screwing people who aren't violent felons. I'll choose to feel bad for them not Clarett. I'm with you...I feel no sympathy for Clarett. |
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Post by mookie on Dec 17, 2013 14:14:52 GMT -5
Mookie, its still collusion, its just legal. we'll agree to disagree |
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Post by player71 on Dec 17, 2013 15:17:32 GMT -5
The 30 for 30 was interesting and appeared to be very one-sided. That being said if Clarett has changed then good for him. It is easy for people at rock-bottom to change. I think one's true character is revealed when they are on top of the world...
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Post by MisterD on Dec 17, 2013 15:45:17 GMT -5
Prediction: If reached for comment, Tressel, OSU or both will give a vague statement about it not being true or fair and assume half or more of the sports viewing audience will just chalk it up to a bad guy being bad because thats what bad young athletes do.
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Post by lasalle89 on Dec 17, 2013 16:01:15 GMT -5
They interviewed NCAA board members who said Claret got shafted by the AD. Why would a board member publicly state that Ohio State's AD went out of his way to ruin Claret. He suspended him all of his sophomore year and would not guarantee the kid could play his junior year. Jim Brown got involved and said every man has a right to earn a living but the NCAA does not want to lose their money makers to the NFL to quickly and the NFL wants to keep their farm system in tact.
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Post by mookie on Dec 17, 2013 16:14:26 GMT -5
lasalle89 - the NFL players association is in agreement with the NFL about the age restriction and it has more to do with protecting the veterans in the league as opposed to preventing younger players from entering. Jim Brown is controversial in nature...that much is evident.
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Post by lwc4591 on Dec 17, 2013 16:15:27 GMT -5
I can't excuse Claret for the mistakes he has done but I will not close my eyes to the greater of two evils which is the NCAA and their never ending corruption.
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Post by mookie on Dec 17, 2013 16:16:28 GMT -5
lwc4591 I'll agree, the NCAA are no saints lol...
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Post by talkinbball on Dec 17, 2013 16:25:38 GMT -5
The NCAA football players have no voice which is why this is allowed to continue. Some high powered lawyer needs to know some poor kid (literally and figuratively) and try to help him out. Obviously, I am no lawyer but what about "restraint of trade"? Still say the NCAA does not want to lose their players either so BOTH sides are happy with the current arrangement and the players get screwed and, potentially, hurt as a result. If the other three major sports (not to mention the others like golf) can get by there is no reason the NFL and NCAA football could not.
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Post by mookie on Dec 17, 2013 16:33:30 GMT -5
The NCAA football players have no voice which is why this is allowed to continue. Some high powered lawyer needs to know some poor kid (literally and figuratively) and try to help him out. Obviously, I am no lawyer but what about "restraint of trade"? Still say the NCAA does not want to lose their players either so BOTH sides are happy with the current arrangement and the players get screwed and, potentially, hurt as a result. If the other three major sports (not to mention the others like golf) can get by there is no reason the NFL and NCAA football could not. There is no restraint of trade because the existing CBA was negotiated collectively by the owners and the players...this makes it exempt from anti-trust. that was part of clarett's suit and it was ruled in favor of clarett but when it reached the federal appeals court, it was overturned. when the union decided to dissolve during the lockout, that's when any college player (along with any high school player) could enter the league should the league schedule be played and should one of the franchises decide to sign on of them. MLB and NBA have entry restrictions. The NBA has the age restriction (or 1 year out of high school) while MLB has the draft (and it's draft eligible requirements). It also has international eligiblity requirements and Free Agency requirements. |
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Post by talkinbball on Dec 17, 2013 16:42:40 GMT -5
Still think this is something that can be changed if the right parties get involved. As noted, Clarett had multiple issues working against him from the get go.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 17, 2013 19:38:43 GMT -5
Mookie, where we're disconnecting is you see it as "players agreeing with the league" but that's not the case. Its "current players and the league" agreeing to keep out college players. The union doesn't give half a shit about not-yet union members, they care about those in and even if you assume its just a one year bump in draft numbers and UFAs, thats current membership losing jobs. The collusion isn't league vs NFLPA, its league + NFLPA vs everyone not in the league or NFLPA.
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Post by big5explorer on Dec 17, 2013 21:59:29 GMT -5
Dear CryMe A. River,
Did the story also cover how hard the schools are on these student athletes, giving them free food, housing, tuition, and the chance for a college degree they likely wouldn't otherwise get a chance at, all while these young adults play a kids game for 4 years?
Sincerely,
Saddled with $250,000 in Higher Education Loans (Plus Interest)
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Post by MisterD on Dec 17, 2013 22:08:27 GMT -5
Nope. The company I work for makes far less off of me and pays me enough for food, housing and a whole shitload more.
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Post by big5explorer on Dec 18, 2013 6:37:54 GMT -5
Nope. The company I work for makes far less off of me and pays me enough for food, housing and a whole shitload more. Because you have a college degree and are a professional now? |
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