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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 16, 2013 22:46:12 GMT -5
I'm too tired to get elaborate tonight, but I think we're simultaneously overreacting, and underreacting, to the first 3 games.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 16, 2013 22:48:05 GMT -5
This team plays to the level of the competition or so it appears. Homecoming tent and atmosphere were great. Good day despite the madding play.
SJU (PA) was defeated today, that agrees very well with me.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 16, 2013 23:17:08 GMT -5
No explanation for Tyreek's benching during the 1st half. Maybe it was a message, I don't know. Something's gotta give soon though.
We were horrible at breaking Siena when they switched to a zone.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 16, 2013 23:35:39 GMT -5
BTW boycott CBS3 and NBC10 news. Channel 10 did not even show a highlight of the game, just a verbal "La Salle won" tacked on the end of the college sports. CBS 3 did not even acknowledge we even played today. Sorry ass excuse for television news. Watch Channel 6, they are on the ball.
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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 16, 2013 23:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Nov 16, 2013 23:52:21 GMT -5
With a few minutes remaining, why on earth did Garland go for a contested dunk on a fast break when the safe play for a layup was available? Maybe it was me, but I just remembered that play and it got me furious.
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Post by stlexplorer on Nov 17, 2013 1:28:43 GMT -5
I'm too tired to get elaborate tonight, but I think we're simultaneously overreacting, and underreacting, to the first 3 games. I completely agree with this, I'm not sure if we know a lot about this team or know nothing. The start to this season is the best evidence of how much Ramon meant to the team that could be presented. I didn't expect this confusion and sloppiness from a veteran team that I thought learned a lot last March. Maybe having their season flash before their eyes in this game is what they need.
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 17, 2013 1:46:22 GMT -5
Unless the solution ends up being Khalid Lewis, what this team has thus far failed to demonstrate, at this early point in the young season, is a consistent, reliable, go-to 3-point shooter / outside threat.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 17, 2013 2:57:36 GMT -5
Good game guys I do think you're way too tough on your team - LaSalle is really good... Siena had a nice lead but all the credit to a veteran LaSalle team at home to make the plays to win down the stretch. I don't know if you guys are a Sweet 16 team this year but I bet you're in the top 4 of the A10 and that should get you in the NCAA tournament. I would like to think Siena gave LaSalle problems today rather than LaSalle just struggling. You guys crushed us in Albany last year so I would not be surprised if your guys overlook us a bit. But this is a new Siena team with a new head coach. Anyone of you game at the game give us an objective non-Siena fan take on Siena? Our frosh/coaching with Jimmy Patsos - any thoughts? I wish you the best of luck the rest of the way and sincerely hope Siena-LaSalle is a conference game soon! My general thoughts are this- we were killing you inside early and to Patsos'credit he went zone to stop it and while we got whatever shot we wanted we simply could t throw it in the ocean today I think there is reason for optimism with your squad, however, I figured that the shooting would even out.... And it seemed to do just that
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Post by stlexplorer on Nov 17, 2013 3:20:30 GMT -5
Lu you bring up something I was thinking earlier. We better improve against the zone otherwise every team we play is gonna use it. Hopefully as our deeper shots start falling we can shoot teams out of zone
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Post by bernards on Nov 17, 2013 5:18:57 GMT -5
For those who saw the game....we had only 10 PF in the game. Does our lack of defense have anything to do with us being over conscious on the rule changes. Basically, not wanting to commit too many hand PF early. Just a thought.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Nov 17, 2013 8:36:35 GMT -5
For those who saw the game....we had only 10 PF in the game. Does our lack of defense have anything to do with us being over conscious on the rule changes. Basically, not wanting to commit too many hand PF early. Just a thought. Intersting. I was pleased to see that our poor defensive play has not escaped Coach G's attention per his comments in today's INQ. We sure need to figure out why we are having such difficulty getting stops. I sure hope guys have not lost their buy in to playing tough pressure D. If they have, if that commitment left with Ramon's departure we are looking at a midpack A 10 finish. The A10 has a number of hungry teams poised to push us aside. Inconsistent O has been an issue so far for sure. But, I think our shots will fall eventually. Our tightness will relinquish and the law of averages catch up offensively.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 17, 2013 8:41:01 GMT -5
Unless the solution ends up being Khalid Lewis, what this team has thus far failed to demonstrate, at this early point in the young season, is a consistent, reliable, go-to 3-point shooter / outside threat. I agree 100%. We have no sniper on this team and Lewis is not going to dramatically help our cause. Our two most consistent shooters, Mills and Peterson don't shoot the ball enough. We need less dominating the ball by Garland and more shooting from those two and running some type of offense. I also thought DJ showed a nice passing game yesterday as well. I love he is cutting more to the basket. Plenty to be disappointed about after three game but DJ is not one of them. Kid makes winning plays. I just wish he was a little more selfish and less willing to defer to others.
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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 17, 2013 9:19:36 GMT -5
With a few minutes remaining, why on earth did Garland go for a contested dunk on a fast break when the safe play for a layup was available? Maybe it was me, but I just remembered that play and it got me furious. My guess is for the same reason he threw down the jam on Quinnipiac, for the crowd reaction. In his defense, I think the play you are talking about happened with less than a minute to play and we were trying to step on Sienna's throat.
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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 17, 2013 9:30:42 GMT -5
By the way, I said it at halftime and I'll say it again, Steve was killing us yesterday. It was unbelievable how often he was out of position on defense. It seems like he never has his hands up defensively, he was never in position to go for offensive boards, he was REALLY bad. I thought he was going to turn a corner this year after having added some size in the offseason but he continues to not take advantage of his size advantage. I'd really like to see either Jermaine Davis get some of Steve's minutes going forward or the return to a small lineup with Khalid, Sam, Tyrone, Tyreek, and Jerrell on the floor for 70% of the game.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 17, 2013 11:28:33 GMT -5
Explorer88, I also thought the same thing about Peterson. If anyone noticed he has the best assist to turnover ratio in the conference at 12. He needs to take more shots and it frustrates me when he has open looks and doesn't shoot.
Brady, Okay, Steve Zack does not suck and Jermaine Davis will not play nearly as well as him thats a fact. Everyone loves to go after Steve Zack and I understand he makes mistakes just like any other forward in the conference. Wright didn't play well at all yesterday making 4-12 fg and made numbers mistakes defensively. He had 10 rebounds yesterday so I don't understand what your talking about him not getting rebounds. These the first three games Zack has played since his injury the rust is going to take some time to ware off and for him to get more familiar of what his job is on the court.
Otherwise It is three games into the season,the team needs time. G WILL figure it out and its not like were 0-3 or 1-2 were 2-1 and lost to a good Manhattan team. Yesterday, Mahattan played a MUCH improved GW team. GW pulled through and won the game because the Indiana transfer Creek who scored 27 points.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Nov 17, 2013 12:30:02 GMT -5
Brady brings up Jermaine Davis. No one should expect that he could play as well as Z. However, I do think JW and Z are playing in fear of picking up fouls bec. they play without a backup Big.If D could play 10-12 min a game, Z and Jw could be more challenging on defense. Does anyone know how he looks in practice? My fear is that he is not ready-otherwise he would be getting 4-5/game now.
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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 17, 2013 14:43:33 GMT -5
Explorer88, I also thought the same thing about Peterson. If anyone noticed he has the best assist to turnover ratio in the conference at 12. He needs to take more shots and it frustrates me when he has open looks and doesn't shoot. Brady, Okay, Steve Zack does not suck and Jermaine Davis will not play nearly as well as him thats a fact. Everyone loves to go after Steve Zack and I understand he makes mistakes just like any other forward in the conference. Wright didn't play well at all yesterday making 4-12 fg and made numbers mistakes defensively. He had 10 rebounds yesterday so I don't understand what your talking about him not getting rebounds. These the first three games Zack has played since his injury the rust is going to take some time to ware off and for him to get more familiar of what his job is on the court. Otherwise It is three games into the season,the team needs time. G WILL figure it out and its not like were 0-3 or 1-2 were 2-1 and lost to a good Manhattan team. Yesterday, Mahattan played a MUCH improved GW team. GW pulled through and won the game because the Indiana transfer Creek who scored 27 points. If you read what I said, I said he is never in position for OFFENSIVE rebounds. He pulled down 2 yesterday... 2. When your team is shooting 37% from the field and 26% beyond the arc, maybe the biggest player on the floor should pull down more than 2 offensive boards. You know who else had 2 offensive boards? Tyreek, all 6'0" of him. I don't know where you came up with this idea the SZ outplayed JW. JW was 4-11 from the field, 7-10 from the stripe (15 pts), had 11 boards (8 offensive), 1 block and didn't commit a foul. SZ was 2-4, 1-2 (5pts), 10 boards, 2blks. Steve has potential to be a nice player but don't act like he's Wilt, you have no "fact"ual basis to claim JD couldn't outplay Steve. THAT'S a fact.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 17, 2013 15:52:44 GMT -5
Explorer88, I also thought the same thing about Peterson. If anyone noticed he has the best assist to turnover ratio in the conference at 12. He needs to take more shots and it frustrates me when he has open looks and doesn't shoot. Brady, Okay, Steve Zack does not suck and Jermaine Davis will not play nearly as well as him thats a fact. Everyone loves to go after Steve Zack and I understand he makes mistakes just like any other forward in the conference. Wright didn't play well at all yesterday making 4-12 fg and made numbers mistakes defensively. He had 10 rebounds yesterday so I don't understand what your talking about him not getting rebounds. These the first three games Zack has played since his injury the rust is going to take some time to ware off and for him to get more familiar of what his job is on the court. Otherwise It is three games into the season,the team needs time. G WILL figure it out and its not like were 0-3 or 1-2 were 2-1 and lost to a good Manhattan team. Yesterday, Mahattan played a MUCH improved GW team. GW pulled through and won the game because the Indiana transfer Creek who scored 27 points. If you read what I said, I said he is never in position for OFFENSIVE rebounds. He pulled down 2 yesterday... 2. When your team is shooting 37% from the field and 26% beyond the arc, maybe the biggest player on the floor should pull down more than 2 offensive boards. You know who else had 2 offensive boards? Tyreek, all 6'0" of him. I don't know where you came up with this idea the SZ outplayed JW. JW was 4-11 from the field, 7-10 from the stripe (15 pts), had 11 boards (8 offensive), 1 block and didn't commit a foul. SZ was 2-4, 1-2 (5pts), 10 boards, 2blks. Steve has potential to be a nice player but don't act like he's Wilt, you have no "fact"ual basis to claim JD couldn't outplay Steve. THAT'S a fact. My biggest gripe with both of them is that they don't seem accountable. Steve blew his coverage and allowed a simple entry pass for an easy layup, and his first reaction was to turn to someone else for a "what the hell" when it was clearly his man. Jerrell completely screwed the pooch when he was begging for an entry pass from Tyreek, and when he finally got it, he wasn't ready for it and it bounced right by. Again, JW's reaction was to blame Tyreek. Those are just two examples, but the theme is the same - I don't think they're playing good ball, just mediocre, and they're not accounting for their own actions. On face value they might, but when tensions are high they're very quick to deflect blame, and that's when it really counts. That's discouraging to me, and they're better than that.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 17, 2013 16:20:00 GMT -5
If you read what I said, I said he is never in position for OFFENSIVE rebounds. He pulled down 2 yesterday... 2. When your team is shooting 37% from the field and 26% beyond the arc, maybe the biggest player on the floor should pull down more than 2 offensive boards. You know who else had 2 offensive boards? Tyreek, all 6'0" of him. I don't know where you came up with this idea the SZ outplayed JW. JW was 4-11 from the field, 7-10 from the stripe (15 pts), had 11 boards (8 offensive), 1 block and didn't commit a foul. SZ was 2-4, 1-2 (5pts), 10 boards, 2blks. Steve has potential to be a nice player but don't act like he's Wilt, you have no "fact"ual basis to claim JD couldn't outplay Steve. THAT'S a fact. I think everyone knows including G knows that Zack is superior over Jermaine Davis aka why he has been starting. I get it you don't like Zack it's three games into the season give him time. If the team hinges on Zack getting offensive rebounds that I am really concerned with our shooting. That won't be the case shots will eventually drop and hopefully they shoot well against Penn State and go 3-1 into the tournament. I never said Zack out played JW, is JW playing better than Wright, yes but not by much at all.
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Post by calsufan on Nov 17, 2013 16:23:24 GMT -5
If you read what I said, I said he is never in position for OFFENSIVE rebounds. He pulled down 2 yesterday... 2. When your team is shooting 37% from the field and 26% beyond the arc, maybe the biggest player on the floor should pull down more than 2 offensive boards. You know who else had 2 offensive boards? Tyreek, all 6'0" of him. I don't know where you came up with this idea the SZ outplayed JW. JW was 4-11 from the field, 7-10 from the stripe (15 pts), had 11 boards (8 offensive), 1 block and didn't commit a foul. SZ was 2-4, 1-2 (5pts), 10 boards, 2blks. Steve has potential to be a nice player but don't act like he's Wilt, you have no "fact"ual basis to claim JD couldn't outplay Steve. THAT'S a fact. I think everyone knows including G knows that Zack is superior over Jermaine Davis aka why he has been starting. I get it you don't like Zack it's three games into the season give him time. If the team hinges on Zack getting offensive rebounds that I am really concerned with our shooting. That won't be the case shots will eventually drop and hopefully they shoot well against Penn State and go 3-1 into the tournament. I never said Zack out played JW, is JW playing better than Wright, yes but not by much at all. I don't think it's a question of liking Zack or not. Plain and simple Zack had an atrocious day on defense. There was a series of plays in the second half that Steve bungled plays. He was getting lit up like a Xmas tree. Why G didn't sit him is beyond me. I would have put Rohan in there or gone small. He was ineffective during that stretch and several others.
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Post by mookie on Nov 17, 2013 17:00:50 GMT -5
I seem to remember last year the offense was shooting over 50% early in the year. I knew that wasn't going to continue and the numbers would balance out. Hopefully, they do but regardless all that matters at the end of the game is if we won.
The team has 2 wins, lets enjoy the fact that they've won games rather than complain about a loss
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Post by jellybean on Nov 17, 2013 19:29:56 GMT -5
Sadly G has LOTS of problems to fix. As bad as Zack and Wright were defensively yesterday, G better do something about his 3 pt defense. They are on pace to allow 88 more 3's on 50 less shots. Last year they allowed opponents to shoot .302. This year .442.
The problem is team defense. I find it interesting that Garland is singled out one game for getting one rebound (we were out rebounded by 18 and the two big guys were poor) and then he was pointed out by the coach yesterday. G didn't mention the poor job by the rest of the team. For the second game in a row, small guards blew by us and got to the lane regularly. It was a disgrace that the lane opened completely for Rob Poole to drive. Siena ran Poole off double baseline screens all game. To allow Siena to score 42 in the first half was a disgrace.
Someone pointed out earlier that we had ten fouls for the game. Absolutely correct. It was a case of not contesting shots more than anything. Sadly, it may have been worse than that. Two of the fouls were that new ticky tack stuff and two were terrible calls ( Jeff Clark naturally) where the Siena guys initiated contact on a shot against Zack. That means we were called for only 6 fouls. We gave shooters way too much room.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 17, 2013 19:36:14 GMT -5
I think the idea is that by virtue of playing 30 minutes a game, Garland would simply earn a rebound by having a pulse. Helen Keller could have pulled in one loose ball. It's almost challenging not to get one rebound with the time he was logging.
I don't think anyone is contesting that team defense is the real issue, but from G's position someone needed to made an example. Good numbers on the three point defense, frightening.
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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 17, 2013 19:55:03 GMT -5
I think the idea is that by virtue of playing 30 minutes a game, Garland would simply earn a rebound by having a pulse. Helen Keller could have pulled in one loose ball. It's almost challenging not to get one rebound with the time he was logging. I don't think anyone is contesting that team defense is the real issue, but from G's position someone needed to made an example. Good numbers on the three point defense, frightening. Further to this point, I think G knows his guys and I get the impression that Tyrone is one of those guys that responds well to being called out Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using proboards
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Post by jellybean on Nov 17, 2013 19:59:52 GMT -5
Garland is not Galloway. Ramon was 6-4 and could rebound for a guard. Garland is 6-1 and utilizes his quickness. Galloway gets you a rebound and Tyrone gets you a steal and won't turn it over like Ramon. They are different players. Zack and Wright should have had 6-7 more bounds in that Manhattan game. To be out rebounded by 18 as a team is a TEAM problem.
Why is Garland being made an example? There is plenty of blame to go around.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 17, 2013 20:05:23 GMT -5
Sorry Brady but I disagree. I pointed out in the Quin. game thread that G went over board in chastising Garland on the bench. This is a situation worth watching.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 17, 2013 20:14:53 GMT -5
Why is Garland being made an example? There is plenty of blame to go around. If the defined "leader" and personality of the team crapped the bed as he did, I'd want the leader called out. Everyone is at blame, you need to call out someone who is going to lead the team and react, all while sending a clear message to the rest of the team. Benching Jerrell wouldn't send a clear message because Steve would still be in, or vice versa. The problem would still exist. Benching the guy who has the greenest green light on the squad sends that message. Or... It was supposed to send that picture. *sad trombone*
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Post by durenduren on Nov 17, 2013 20:18:01 GMT -5
You shouldn't have to be "calling" players out to begin with, not with w a veteran squad like this, so I sympathize with G's position. It's a crap hand to have been dealt, and clearly there's no easy solution to solve it.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 17, 2013 20:19:28 GMT -5
So Duren can continually get beat on defense but that's okay because he's the floor general and there is no replacement?
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