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Post by golasalle on Oct 23, 2012 16:34:18 GMT -5
The practice is open today for students and looking at the picture submitted on Twitter did the school do any work at all prmoting it? Very sad. Yes they did, they had posters made up and posted around campus and I believe they sent emails to the students as well. Offered free food as well. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 23, 2012 17:09:17 GMT -5
It started at 3:30 when there are quite a few conflicts for students between classes, labs and other sports practices. Also consider that the femal to make ratio at la Salle is almost 2:1... Great for a Saturday night if you're a guy but not great if you're trying to drum up support for an open practice.
I whole heatedly believe that a successful string of basketball seasons will put LU back on the map for young men choosing colleges and will parlay into better fan/student support. There just is no overcoming the fact that there aren't many male members of the student body.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 23, 2012 17:42:07 GMT -5
Also, the photo I just saw of Doc in the mezzanine talking to the students was encouraging as it was really quite crowded
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Post by 1801olney on Oct 24, 2012 7:32:24 GMT -5
Also, the photo I just saw of Doc in the mezzanine talking to the students was encouraging as it was really quite crowded I saw the same photo. Looked to be alot of other athletic teams though and not regular students. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 24, 2012 8:44:51 GMT -5
Any litany of other reasons notwithstanding, the absolute apathy of a huge majority of kids on campus cannot be dismissed, or excused.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 24, 2012 8:54:18 GMT -5
the apathy comes down to the fact that the program was so bad for so many generations of classes that it no longer was a fabric of the culture. For year it was just assumed that any enthusiasm for the prgram was wasted energy because they would be a bad team. String together a couple of seasons where expectations are met or exceeded and people will beleive, it will become a part of the campus life and so on. The current sophmore class knows nothing other than successful La Salle hoops, hoepfully they influence the freshmen enough to enjoy it as well and assume a postseason is forthcoming. The Junior class only had one season of non-postseason hoops and can likely be drawn in. If the team succeeds this year then next year you have an entire campus full of kids that will be excited about the season as the games are more fun because they win.
The NIT game turnout was beyond fantastic, the more games we see like that the better and i think the kids will enjoy it.
The bottom line fact remains that most females aren't going to be fanatical sports fans and the majority of the campus is made up of females, thus, the majority of the campus is comprised of students that aren't big sports people in general.
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 24, 2012 12:40:56 GMT -5
I hope you're right, but I just don't know. I think it's gonna take NCAA tournament appearances in like 3 out 4 years or something to truly build some momentum on campus.
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 24, 2012 12:55:52 GMT -5
La Salle will never make 3 to 4 straight NCAA appearances as long as this administration is in place.
We have a 2 year window right now and possible 3 to 4 with a stud big man recruit that has a specialty skill. Almost everything would have to go right to make those appearances which is very unlikelyv IMO.
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 24, 2012 12:57:25 GMT -5
I agree. That's why I think actually building up a strong base of support from current students is a real long-shot. I'm not defending it, but that's my feeling.
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 24, 2012 13:01:07 GMT -5
Funny how most associated with La Salle know the administration sucks and yet no one can do anything about it?
Does anyone on the BOT have the balls to upset the apple cart?
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Post by talkinbball on Oct 24, 2012 13:28:41 GMT -5
The people in place are not our biggest problem. We can shuffle people in and out but our biggest fundamental problem was created years ago and is not easily replaced.
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 24, 2012 13:35:23 GMT -5
The people in place are not our biggest problem. We can shuffle people in and out but our biggest fundamental problem was created years ago and is not easily replaced. talkinbball not sure if I follow you. what do you mean by bggest fundamental problem was created long ago? |
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Post by talkinbball on Oct 24, 2012 13:36:03 GMT -5
"The House that Speedy Built".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 16:55:06 GMT -5
No, talkinbball and others, I don't think it's fair to scapegoat Speedy or the BOT anymore. If you scapegoat Speedy, you relieve La Salle and its base of any and all responsibility to correct the matter.
So long as we don't have enough fans that are willing to pay the $7 for a monthly video feed or $15 for a ticket, the administration will not make an additional investment in advertising, and I'm not one to blame them. Let's move on from the argument that La Salle could do more... we've always heard that it was not worthwhile effort unless La Salle is winning.
Now that La Salle is winning, suppose there may be some other excuse. until things change! Instead of focussing on what they haven't done yet, how about we recognize what goes right? La Salle can be a thankless job at times, due to lack of supportive feedback. How about some props for Jared and Kevin and Anthony who last year worked plenty of overtime to make sure they filled the stands for the packthemac and the NIT on very short notice.
I'd much rather fan apathy issues be addressed from within, instead of waiting for divine message to continue to come forth from the frustrating administration:
-Demand they stop playing Journey whenever we lose! We don't need loser traditions to mount on top of losing traditions.
-Start a stomp/rally at tipoff and when we first score and after halftime and when the other team fouls (Every other Big5 team has this. Kale and the band have both already tried this but it really needs work!!)
-Start a tradition for when we win. 13 home games won in a row last year. If our tradition is going to be the fight song (win or lose), then we must post the actual lyrics (no one knows them) on a banner in Tom Gola Arena, take a picture of that and post it onto fb as soon as we win, and RT on twitter, every single time we win so that people can whip it out and recite it on their phones. People aren't going to just seek out the lyrcis themselves and learn them. It must be a tradition for every La Salle fan to post these lyrics at every win! Don't your Eagles fans, Phils fans and other college sports fans do it everytime there is a game? We need to demonstrate the same viral enthusiasm. (It's contagious.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 22:40:33 GMT -5
There is no imagination being demonstrated anywhere, any time by anyone in the University. The "paycheck" reference above hit the nail right on! None of our academic departments enjoy any sort of reputation in any journal. Fundraising is anemic. Planning is more tactical than strategic. Communications to friends and alumni is worse than what my high school puts out. Dr. G is the one and only shinning light and he may be gone in a few years if he continues with his successful turnaround of the mess he inherited, some serious school will come after him.
We may need to abandon the notion that the president of La Salle must be a Christian Brother. The CB Order doesn't have the capability of developing a list of suitable president candidates to lead in an era of almost cut-throat competition among private
universities. An experienced academic leader with a track record of creativity is needed in this millennium.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Oct 24, 2012 22:44:57 GMT -5
he fight song must be played, win or lose at the end of each game and I think that it is. talkinball just seems to have a problem with Speedy. I do not believe that Speedy was the problem- but if he was- a program must move on. Billy Hahn? The A.D? We r going to have a graet year and things can get better. All must help from the A.D. the freshman, and of course-us. Coach G has done a good job- but to get to next level, any coach needs support of the Administration.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 7:41:02 GMT -5
They play the fight song, but no one knows the words.
You can't claim, screamer that they are doing enough to create an atmosphere by going through the motions of a fight song that no one knows any words to anymore.
The Phillies have high hopes. The Eagles have Fly Eagles Fly, or as Hartford calls it, Fly Hawks Fly High. The Explorers have a swan song by Journey, a tradition we apparently stole from Penn State, but at least they have some fun with it. We are not Penn State. We need something unique, and something that will stick. We also need to throw away the old script and try to be creative in that department instead of playing Journey and hoping one day it sticks. The current crop was not even born when that song came out! How are they going to sing along? All the tradition means for me is its association with walking out of Gola after a loss.
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Post by DE-LSU84 on Oct 25, 2012 8:50:55 GMT -5
Very simple solution...put the words to the fight song on those two new video boards so everyone can sing along.
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Post by jellybean on Oct 25, 2012 8:53:10 GMT -5
For 3:45 pm it wasn't a bad turnout. The Raftery affair drew probably just as many attendees. Which is better or worse?
Point some made about there being a lot of athletic teams being there. First, La Salle has a very high percentage of student-athletes to students. Second, in case no one has noticed, the relationship between the MBB program and other student athletic teams has improved over the last few years.
Male or female. It doesn't matter the sex just have them attend and be interested in the program.
Glad to see the sharp knives are out and that season hasn't started (that's tongue in cheek). Can we just enjoy the beginning of the season which should be exciting and leave the fire Bro. Mike, G and AD talk til after the season. I swear some people just live to dwell on negative stuff.
Finally, I remember the days when we would wish we had that many students attend GAMES. The student support has gotten better each and every year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 8:55:48 GMT -5
Very simple solution...put the words to the fight song on those two new video boards so everyone can sing along. Good call. I like it. |
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Post by talkinbball on Oct 25, 2012 9:25:53 GMT -5
There will be no hope to have a consistently winning program until the gym situation is addressed. It's that simple. And yes, I do have a serious problem with Speedy because no one person is more personally responsible for putting us into this situation than Speedy, because, when the long awaited "arena" was FINALLY being planned/designed/built the only person whose SOLE responsibility was to be concerned about the present and future condition of the men's basketball program was Speedy. Instead, by that time, Speedy was the poster child of what posters on the board now call "Check Cashers".
A school like ours had one shot to do this, long awaited, thing right and then failed miserably in my opniion to a large degree because of Speedy's lethargy. Contrary to what some posters think dramatic, sport coat tossing is not a coaching function.
In case no one has noticed, unlike a lot of college/university campuses today, we have nothing on campus that has a major donor's name on it. Does anyone see any sign of that changing anytime soon? Thought not!! We can't afford to make mistakes of that magnitude when spending money. So, yes, I have a major problem with Speedy. Because, I now believe that, in my lifetime, this mistake will not be corrected and, yes, that pisses me off!
So play the damn fight song or don't play the damn fight song it won't make a bit of difference in the long run.
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Post by golasalle on Oct 25, 2012 9:36:28 GMT -5
For 3:45 pm it wasn't a bad turnout. The Raftery affair drew probably just as many attendees. Which is better or worse? Point some made about there being a lot of athletic teams being there. First, La Salle has a very high percentage of student-athletes to students. Second, in case no one has noticed, the relationship between the MBB program and other student athletic teams has improved over the last few years. Male or female. It doesn't matter the sex just have them attend and be interested in the program. Glad to see the sharp knives are out and that season hasn't started (that's tongue in cheek). Can we just enjoy the beginning of the season which should be exciting and leave the fire Bro. Mike, G and AD talk til after the season. I swear some people just live to dwell on negative stuff. Finally, I remember the days when we would wish we had that many students attend GAMES. The student support has gotten better each and every year. Great post Jellybean. But prepare to get flamed. Thanks for steering the original post requesting info about the open practice back on course. It really bugs me when these things constantly get veered off onto a collective b*tch fest about what is wrong with the program. I am too lazy to count but I think that yours is the fourth or fifth in this long string that actually discusses what was observed at the event. And for those will now call me a Pollyanna with blue and gold glasses, have at it. Being out of town and not able to get to the open practice I was kind of looking forward to hearing from those who were there. Geeze, long string on Speedy? Really??? |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 25, 2012 9:40:43 GMT -5
The Phillies did nothing until 2008 in terms of "traditions" and now suddenly they are some sort of long-standing deal? What happened was they won and it became very cool and popular to go to games and things started to happen...we need sustained success and then things in terms of game atmosphere will improve. In the past there was no pressure on the administration because no one noticed how poorly things were run because no one was there because the team didn't win. A better team will bring out more people and more people will take notice. plus, once there is a taste of success it will put a lot more pressure for the administration to sustain that success.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 25, 2012 9:48:19 GMT -5
There will be no hope to have a consistently winning program until the gym situation is addressed. It's that simple. I agree - but I also can confirm that it is being "addressed" based on conversations I've had in the last month with people from the Athletic Dept. Timing is not definite but fairly soon. |
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Post by big5vet on Oct 25, 2012 10:46:31 GMT -5
luhoopsfan
Thanks for sharing good inside information on facilities. I hope and pray your source is on the mark, even with indefinite timing. We need to support the program's recent rebirth in every way possible for it to continue. Your postive message is one way to help.
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Post by las71 on Oct 25, 2012 11:37:48 GMT -5
We have basically lost a generation of alums who truly had little to cheer about and it will be difficult to win them back. I don't thinkit's a coincidence that many of our posters are older fans who remember when basketball was part of the college experience. Hopefully with the program picking up the current students will become fans for life. My son played at Muhlenberg and after wins they played U2's It's a beautiful day.
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Post by calsufan on Oct 25, 2012 11:47:23 GMT -5
I'll take U2 over Journey any day of the week. I HATE Journey!
I saw U2 at the Tower Theater in Upper Darby years ago. It had to be around '84 or '85. Great concert, but man was the air thick with smoke. Thank god I didn't inhale. ;D
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 25, 2012 13:12:07 GMT -5
that smoke is for special lighting effects  - as for my "source" I tend to feel pretty confident on this one...I know they have a plan for the final project now it's all about the logistics of getting it together. I also think the funding is taken care of. |
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 25, 2012 16:42:24 GMT -5
I don't think the gym situation is close to being addressed as we had hoped. Hope I am getting wrong info but it does not look good at the moment.
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Post by jellybean on Oct 28, 2012 8:27:31 GMT -5
I don't think the gym situation is close to being addressed as we had hoped. Hope I am getting wrong info but it does not look good at the moment. So your sources told you what? No improvements or no new building? |
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- as for my "source" I tend to feel pretty confident on this one...I know they have a plan for the final project now it's all about the logistics of getting it together. I also think the funding is taken care of.