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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 9, 2013 16:38:05 GMT -5
Neuman I apologize to you because I was angry with how posters seem to have turned on team but I won't apologize for my hate for the pampered big conferences.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 9, 2013 16:55:57 GMT -5
Zack is one of the team's leaders in +/- according to something I read from Dr. G. That really goes a long way. There's a reason why he gets all those minutes and it's exactly what Gnocchi said -- he passes the ball and sets picks well. I still don't think we'd beat St. Louis playing at home after a loss on senior day. Zack only had 11 boards (4 offensive) and 3 blocks in 23 minutes against VCU. Guess he didn't make a difference in that game, either...
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 9, 2013 17:03:06 GMT -5
One final point and that is if you think Wright, Martelli or Dunphy could accomplish what Dr. G has with what he has to work with forget it because they could never outwork this man, period. Players recognize this and we should also.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 9, 2013 17:21:07 GMT -5
One final point and that is if you think Wright, Martelli or Dunphy could accomplish what Dr. G has with what he has to work with forget it because they could never outwork this man, period. Players recognize this and we should also. I don't think anyone is attacking G unless I missed a post. He has done a wonderful job. I don't like all the guards we play just because of teams like today but that is beside the point, and most appreciate what we have in our coach. The team played horribly in two critical games against teams with as much or better talent. Our opportunity is closing and now we have no margin for error now. The team sucked horribly today and I still appreciate what they have done and how they represent my school and team. However, they were awful today and people have to accept others are not happy with that and there is nothing wrong with the anger for another missed opportunity. We all will decompress and root the team on next week.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 9, 2013 17:31:14 GMT -5
One final point and that is if you think Wright, Martelli or Dunphy could accomplish what Dr. G has with what he has to work with forget it because they could never outwork this man, period. Players recognize this and we should also. I don't think anyone is attacking G unless I missed a post. He has done a wonderful job. I don't like all the guards we play just because of teams like today but that is beside the point, and most appreciate what we have in our coach. The team played horribly in two critical games against teams with as much or better talent. Our opportunity is closing and now we have no margin for error now. The team sucked horribly today and I still appreciate what they have done and how they represent my school and team. However, they were awful today and people have to accept others are not happy with that and there is nothing wrong with the anger for another missed opportunity. We all will decompress and root the team on next week. What he said. ^^^^^
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Mar 9, 2013 18:45:03 GMT -5
Zack is one of the team's leaders in +/- according to something I read from Dr. G. That really goes a long way. There's a reason why he gets all those minutes and it's exactly what Gnocchi said -- he passes the ball and sets picks well. I still don't think we'd beat St. Louis playing at home after a loss on senior day. Zack only had 11 boards (4 offensive) and 3 blocks in 23 minutes against VCU. Guess he didn't make a difference in that game, either... All good points about what Zack brings. At the least we do not get pounded so bad against St louis! Maybe a more respectable final score needless to say, Gotta hope Steve rejoins the team and is ready to go for the tourney.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Mar 9, 2013 18:47:27 GMT -5
I do not believe that anyone can question Dr Gs coaching ability this year. With the players that he has, a marvelous job. Has made us relevant again. With any program, there r questions. Our coaching staff will need to re-examine broad issues such as the necessary composition of a team; whether to sign a mediocre big man over a more talented guard; the redshirt anaalysis; the juco route and what admissions might do to help while not violating overall philosophy;what the adm. can do to make Gs job easier. Lastly, lets stay pumped=still a very good team, Ironic if Miami and StL played for Nat. Champ.-still think we could beat either-or any team if we played a grfeat game-very few fouls and turnovers; value the ball and hit a lot of 3s. Lots to ask for but not impossible.
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Post by lasalle89 on Mar 9, 2013 19:16:31 GMT -5
About Zack . I said even with Zack we get blown out today. Do not interpret that comment that I feel Zack is meaningless. My point was we were not beating the better team on their floor for the A-10 title. The better team one. Period. Today Zack would have made no difference. I like Zack I want him back ASAP. We are a much better team with him. Now we have got to rise to the occasion. The bid is there for us to take or give away. G and the staff and the team have put us in a situation where we must win at least one. Besides who wants to back into the tourny anyway.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 19:53:54 GMT -5
Zack is one of the team's leaders in +/- according to something I read from Dr. G. That really goes a long way. There's a reason why he gets all those minutes and it's exactly what Gnocchi said -- he passes the ball and sets picks well. I still don't think we'd beat St. Louis playing at home after a loss on senior day. I think they'll go on a REALLY deep run in the tournament. I'll worry about Selection Sunday on Friday. I need to take a break from college basketball this week and not pay attention to any scores or the like. I agree with this. I'm into the A-10 games tonight, because I'd like to see how seeding shakes out. And I'll look at the tourneys because I think they are cool. But I can't do 5 days of scoreboard watching bubble teams. I just don't have it in me.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 9, 2013 20:02:53 GMT -5
Home from the game, just a disappointing game all around. Not sure what was going on with Ramon but his head was not in this game today. G about killed Rohan Brown actually having to be held back from him by Dunn at halftime. The defense allowed way too many easy layups an the offense missed too many shots (FT's were killers) but most of that was SLU's defense. They might as well been wearing our jerseys they were so tight on our guys. We can't win when we're relying on Garland to hit jump shots
Still hurting from watching that live, I have other thoughts that maybe I should not post but just beyond disappointing
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 9, 2013 20:08:42 GMT -5
We played very poorly but no doubt that is a very good St. Louis team that everyone will not want to play come tourney time
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 9, 2013 20:19:27 GMT -5
88 that was a compliment to what I believe is an excellent job Dr G is doing because I do think the other three coaches do a good job eventhough St Joe's is mad at Martelli at this time. I truly do believe none of the other three coaches could accompliosh what Dr G has with his situation. Having a good recrod at Nova is not what I consider a difficult job because Wright has a tremendous advantage over the other three coaches in recruiting with Dr G by far having the hardest sell. Dunphy has a fairly good situation and Martelli's is an OK situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 20:39:32 GMT -5
A healthy Zack's assignment would have been Rob Lowe. Lowe doesn't go 7-for-7 on a 6'11" defender. What a mismatch we gave them down low. The other key to STL's win was their 16 assists to our 6. We played right into their hand.
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Post by 20thandolney on Mar 9, 2013 21:01:36 GMT -5
I think the most disappointing thing about today was the free throw percentage. St. Louis is just a better team us. They just are. When you play 4 guards it will leave you open to getting hurt on the boards. It has been something that has happened often this season. There is no excuse for missing free throws though. Your opponent shouldn't be a factor in that.
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Post by casey44 on Mar 10, 2013 0:34:17 GMT -5
One more stat that jumps out. Peterson and Brown combined for 0 pts and 1 rebound in 29 minutes-now that's hard to do. Duren with 0 assts for the day. St. Louis is good, but we are simply not THAT bad. Throw this in the garage and move on. I will say that Jett looks like an NFL back and is amazingly quick for that size. If Zack is back and feeling good we are still a dangerous team that most of the A-10 would prefer not to play.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 10, 2013 0:37:31 GMT -5
Good call. If it weren't for fouls and a turnover, Brown almost put up a 12 trillion.
(Look up Mark Titus and "Club Trillion" if you don't understand the reference)
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Post by jellybean on Mar 10, 2013 9:17:13 GMT -5
I do not believe that anyone can question Dr Gs coaching ability this year. With the players that he has, a marvelous job. Has made us relevant again. With any program, there r questions. Our coaching staff will need to re-examine broad issues such as the necessary composition of a team; whether to sign a mediocre big man over a more talented guard; the redshirt anaalysis; the juco route and what admissions might do to help while not violating overall philosophy;what the adm. can do to make Gs job easier. Lastly, lets stay pumped=still a very good team, Ironic if Miami and StL played for Nat. Champ.-still think we could beat either-or any team if we played a grfeat game-very few fouls and turnovers; value the ball and hit a lot of 3s. Lots to ask for but not impossible. This will address three posts. First to Screamer. I certainly think you can questions G's coaching ability. He made and makes decisions that at the least are head scratcher's. I think you can separate them from his excellent job in rebuilding the program and it's image. Let's me address the questions you mentioned that the staff needs to re-examine. 1. "team composition". I am not clear what you mean. If it's a ratio of guards to forwards? I don't see that changing. G likes this model. I would suspect that he will gave 5-6 guards and 4-5 Bigs. Maybe a 6-6 like Brown. He will always keep a scholarship in reserve for a transfer. 2. Signing a "mediocre" big over a more talented guard. I would like you to ask G that question. My suggestion is you stand about 20 feet away. Otherwise you will get burned from his reaction I suspect. G has said as recently as last week that he will most likely bring in a "project" big man. He has said numerous times that skilled big men are hard to get to come not only to La Salle but the A10. Therefore you need to do your homework and then work to turn them into productive players. I don't think G would waste his time or scholarships on "mediocre" players. Development YES but we are above mediocre. 3."redshirt" analysis. He has already said that Stukes will redshirt next year. He is a guard and a very special situation. Very talented but needs to get stronger. How much time would he get next year with Duren, Mills, Garland, Peterson, Lewis and even Dunn? Better to have him acclaimate to college ball practicing against upperclassmen every day. I still can't believe G was able to sign him and then tell him he won't play. This is unheard of. As for big men, I think I have addressed this already. They take longer to develope and don't fall out of the sky at La Salle. 4. JUCO. The issue is not really Admissions being the problem. It is what major does the JC take? La Salle doesn't have a lot of majors that the State schools have. It's also transferable credits. 5. "Administration help". I assume you mean facilities. There was a BOT meeting in February. Hopefully, we will hear that Gola will be renovated and work will start very soon. If you are addressing, putting people in the stands so we can increase revenue and then support ourselves, I think I addressed that in another thread. The " If you Win, They will come" philosophy is alive and well on the Second Floor at Haymen. From 20thandolney I think the most disappointing thing about today was the free throw percentage. On a list of things that went wrong FT shooting was maybe 5th or 6th on the list. Yes, it was horrible. Yes, it was very visible. I would give you this list. 1. 2-15 from 3. They average AFTER yesterday 7.6 made on 20.4 attempts. We couldn't even get good looks or attempts yet alone make 3's. By my account that's 5 or 6 3's we left out there. Give SLU credit, they allowed our weakest link (Garland) to take 3's. Galloway, Duren and Garland went a combined 0-12. 2. We had 6 assists and 14 turnovers. After yesterday, we average 14.4 assists and 11 turnovers. No offense. 3. In the second half, SLU shot 17-20 85% including 4-4 from 3. That's incredible. I can't believe that stat. Those three points tell me we had a SYSTEM FAILURE. G had the red light on the dashboard say "check engine". Finally Casey444 makes a good point. One more stat that jumps out. Peterson and Brown combined for 0 pts and 1 rebound in 29 minutes-now that's hard to do. Brown was in there for defense and to protect Jerrell. Why DJ played so much in the second half when we needed offense is a puzzle to me? (this is before Ramon got his fourth and fifth personal). DJ needs to be at least a threat offensively. At times, he clams up.
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Post by amdg on Mar 10, 2013 13:10:08 GMT -5
Saint Louis fan here. I think a lot of your team. That being said, Taylor Dunn submarined Jordair Jett on an alley oop attempt with about 30 seconds left in the game yesterday. Dirty play and a classless move. Just know he better not see any minutes against us in the tournament or his senior season.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 10, 2013 13:17:54 GMT -5
Saint Louis fan here. I think a lot of your team. That being said, Taylor Dunn submarined Jordair Jett on an alley oop attempt with about 30 seconds left in the game yesterday. Dirty play and a classless move. Just know he better not see any minutes against us in the tournament or his senior season. Give me a break, Jett was out of control on an alley-oop up 20 in the final minute. Take your internet message board tough guy act somewhere else
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Post by amdg on Mar 10, 2013 13:23:34 GMT -5
I beg to differ, take a look and tell me he does not run forearm first into Jett as he is helpless in the air. I'm not going to go so far as to say that your coach put in a less skilled bench player to goon it up out there, but I can see how someone might think that.
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 10, 2013 13:24:48 GMT -5
Hey amdg it sounds like your first statement was not truthful regarding our team just so you could get to what you really wanted to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 13:26:10 GMT -5
Saint Louis fan here. I think a lot of your team. That being said, Taylor Dunn submarined Jordair Jett on an alley oop attempt with about 30 seconds left in the game yesterday. Dirty play and a classless move. Just know he better not see any minutes against us in the tournament or his senior season. Go f*ck yourself. Classless was still having a starter in the game up 20+ points with less than a minute left in the game, and on top of that, trying to shove a hot-dog alley-oop in the opponents face. I just re-watched it and by no means did Dunn do that intentionally. Not even close. Hard to believe you wasted your time registering on this board to post that garbage, but I guess it shouldn't surprise me. Now that they've had a little success, the St Louis fans are turning into carbon-copies of the obnoxious, narcissistic fans from Xavier. Narcissism must be the #1 major at Jesuit institutions.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 10, 2013 13:27:09 GMT -5
I beg to differ, take a look and tell me he does not run forearm first into Jett as he is helpless in the air. I'm not going to go so far as to say that your coach put in a less skilled bench player to goon it up out there, but I can see how someone might think that. "Goon it up"? Give me a break. Maybe don't do an alley-up up 23 with 37 secs left and wouldn't have happened. Dunn would be the last guy I'd ever accuse of doing anything with intent to injure another player. He's fresh off the bench and got caught out of position. Only thing reckless about that play is Jett putting himself in that position with the time and score of the game.
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Post by amdg on Mar 10, 2013 13:28:33 GMT -5
Hey amdg it sounds like your first statement was not truthful regarding our team just so you could get to what you really wanted to talk about. No, its the truth. I thought you guys would be good this season after we played you in the conference tournament last year, I am a product of the La Sallian high school here in St. Louis and my dad even used to be a Christian Brother. I wish you all the best in the tournament. Just thought it was an obvious dirty play. Not surprised that the A-10 refs didn't call it that way as they are the most incompetent bunch I have ever seen.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 10, 2013 13:31:43 GMT -5
I'm willing to give him a pass as he comes from a fan base that was standing up, yelling at babies racing at halftime as their parents dangled the kids toys to win a soft pretzel. It's not his fault
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Post by thehawkisdead on Mar 10, 2013 13:34:43 GMT -5
Don't backtrack now. I think everyone wants to hear more about your threatening comments towards a college kid who made a play you didn't like. Who's going to rough him up exactly? You or someone associated with the team?
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Post by jellybean on Mar 10, 2013 13:41:41 GMT -5
Saint Louis fan here. I think a lot of your team. That being said, Taylor Dunn submarined Jordair Jett on an alley oop attempt with about 30 seconds left in the game yesterday. Dirty play and a classless move. Just know he better not see any minutes against us in the tournament or his senior season. Normally I would ignore this but I'll take the bait. Talk about "classless move". Why would SLU be doing alley oops up more than 20 points with less than 30 seconds left in the game? Only reason was to showboat and embarrass the opponent. Probably the last thing in Dunn's mind was someone doing an alley oop. Our coach chewed out a walk-on reserve for about five minutes after the game and continued into his press conference because he shot a 3pt. ball at the end of a blow out. I didn't read anything from your coach about doing alley oops at the end of yesterday's game. I also find it totally classless that you said " ...he better not see any minutes against us in the tournament or his senior season." So you are threatening the young man? Brave guy asswipe. Your not going to do a thing.
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Post by amdg on Mar 10, 2013 13:49:36 GMT -5
I wont have to do a thing. These things get sorted on on the floor. He'll most likely catch an inadvertent elbow to the nose, and he'll deserve it.
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 10, 2013 13:53:42 GMT -5
amdg I wish you would stop pissing off my fellow board members.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 10, 2013 14:16:31 GMT -5
amdg I wish you would stop pissing off my fellow board members. He's a dead man walking. I hope the moderator will pull the plug on him. Congrats the first SLU fan to be banned. Can't say I enjoyed it while he was here.
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