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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 9, 2024 9:41:19 GMT -5
Yeah. I wasn't think MAAC as it is now...but I like what you suggested.
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Post by mookie on Feb 9, 2024 10:24:31 GMT -5
And it’s hard to envision La Salle in a small regional conference and I’m not sure that’s what I want, but the A10 is choking the school’s primary sports team. Yeah. I think back to my freshman year (L-Train's Sr year). I got to enjoy 2 NCAA tourneys and an NIT while we were in the MAAC. I had friends from high school that went to some of those other schools. When we jumped to the MCC in my senior year, the program suffered and there weren't really any school rivalries (No one from my high school in Delco went to Detroit Mercy or Evansville). There was an excitement and a buzz with the program in the MAAC and chance to dance every year. The schools seemed similar to La Salle. Now...we don't have much in common with the majority of the schools in the A10. Lucky you. My days were the Carr/Blanks/Vic/‘Sul days. Underwhelming yet supported by the students. We took care of G as we should’ve following the Sweet 16 but do agree we should’ve taken care of the facilities as well. I can’t be convinced that La Salle was committed to the program. I felt they were just happy to have that experience and were ok if it didn’t happen again for another 10 years based on their (in)actions. Either that or they just didn’t have an understanding of what needed to be done which I think is even worse. I don’t know where the program and the University sits but to me you need to make the decision to go all in at this point given the changing landscape. Go all in or be upfront what the expectations are because more of the same equals uncommitted (imo). |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 9, 2024 10:36:15 GMT -5
Yeah. I think back to my freshman year (L-Train's Sr year). I got to enjoy 2 NCAA tourneys and an NIT while we were in the MAAC. I had friends from high school that went to some of those other schools. When we jumped to the MCC in my senior year, the program suffered and there weren't really any school rivalries (No one from my high school in Delco went to Detroit Mercy or Evansville). There was an excitement and a buzz with the program in the MAAC and chance to dance every year. The schools seemed similar to La Salle. Now...we don't have much in common with the majority of the schools in the A10. I wish we could form a conference with St. Bonaventure, Fordham, St. Joe's, Duquesne, Siena, Iona, Manhattan Fairfield, St. Peter's, and Niagara. The other A-10 teams wouldn't leave though. I don't want to go to the MAAC as it is currently formed Do not want to get into another conference diatribe but my initial read on the schools in the A10 that would want to leave was too aggressive. Probably aren't prying Bonnies, Joes or Duquesne from the league. I'm less knowledgeable about their financials though. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 9, 2024 10:38:23 GMT -5
Yeah. I think back to my freshman year (L-Train's Sr year). I got to enjoy 2 NCAA tourneys and an NIT while we were in the MAAC. I had friends from high school that went to some of those other schools. When we jumped to the MCC in my senior year, the program suffered and there weren't really any school rivalries (No one from my high school in Delco went to Detroit Mercy or Evansville). There was an excitement and a buzz with the program in the MAAC and chance to dance every year. The schools seemed similar to La Salle. Now...we don't have much in common with the majority of the schools in the A10. We took care of G as we should’ve following the Sweet 16 but do agree we should’ve taken care of the facilities as well. G had incentives in his contract that paid him for his success that year. Others (like Explorerman) would have more details, but I'm pretty sure the school (and by the school I think I mean the BOT) bumped his pay prematurely in an effort to get him to not take the Rutgers job and also gave him a rolling contract that they renewed every year. This was not necessary and I think it hamstrung the school. I wrote an article at the time titled "Keeping Giannini should be the plan, not the purpose" that said this. Unfortunately, it's lost to history. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 9, 2024 11:10:09 GMT -5
For info (since G's deal was brought up)...here's the reported compensation for tax filings May 2006 through May 2022. Data under Fran isn't public yet to see what we are still paying Ash, but you can see the G/Ash overlap was significant in terms of expense. The gamble on the buyout of G didn't really pay off and really hurt things financially. | FY ending May 20xx | G Compensation | Ash Compensation | | 2006 | $264,335
| - | | 2007 | $302,967
| - | | 2008 | $335,606
| - | | 2009 | $336,556
| - | | 2010 | $348,383
| - | | 2011 | $376,936
| - | | 2012 | $383,926
| - | | 2013 | $445,226
| - | | 2014 | $606,978
| - | | 2015 | $708,617
| - | | 2016 | $727,143
| - | | 2017 | $795,148
| - | | 2018 | $800,223
| - | | 2019 | $777,356
| $347,757
| | 2020 | $603,217
| $503,655
| | 2021 | $259,644
| $508,690
| | 2022 | - | $487,226
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 9, 2024 11:23:07 GMT -5
The gamble on the buyout of G didn't really pay off and really hurt things financially. A bigger mistake was the 150k bump for 2014 with the rolling contract that gave him three years on the backend. The Ash Howard mistake was a bad hiring decision we all wanted. Giannini's contract was (I think, at least) abnormal and the raise he got was unwarranted when you consider what it did to the tournament money the school received over the next couple years. |
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Post by lasallealum on Feb 9, 2024 14:24:46 GMT -5
This is an important post by Joe F and I am glad that we are discussing. Joe thanks for starting the convo on the future. None of this is meant of come off as a "give more money assholes" type post and nothing I say is meant to make people uncomfortable with either a. the amount they give or b. not giving at all. However, I think that if we are discussing where we are going as a school, what WE (in terms of alumni) are doing has to be part of that discussion. Also, so that I am not misunderstood nothing that I am talking about is NIL related. I am not advocating that we pay players. I am not against a well run NIL, I am just not educated on the issue.
We have discussed the school's dropping of the ball post sweet 16 run. On the other side, people like me also dropped the ball. I was living 2+ hours away at that time, was not going to games and was not donating at any level. Perhaps me having these feelings toward getting people together 10 years would have been better for the school than it is now... maybe not. Can't look through the rear view mirror.
The point is, the people on the board clearly care. Is there something that we can do to help the program move forward so we have something that we can be proud of? Are there people on this board that want to meet and discuss these issues? See if we can put something real together? I am talking about donating, getting people to games and on campus, etc. If yes, I am in.
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Post by lasallealum on Feb 9, 2024 14:27:22 GMT -5
This is an important post by Joe F and I am glad that we are discussing. Joe thanks for starting the convo on the future. None of this is meant of come off as a "give more money assholes" type post and nothing I say is meant to make people uncomfortable with either a. the amount they give or b. not giving at all. However, I think that if we are discussing where we are going as a school, what WE (in terms of alumni) are doing has to be part of that discussion. Also, so that I am not misunderstood nothing that I am talking about is NIL related. I am not advocating that we pay players. I am not against a well run NIL, I am just not educated on the issue. We have discussed the school's dropping of the ball post sweet 16 run. On the other side, people like me also dropped the ball. I was living 2+ hours away at that time, was not going to games and was not donating at any level. Perhaps me having these feelings toward getting people together 10 years would have been better for the school than it is now... maybe not. Can't look through the rear view mirror. The point is, the people on the board clearly care. Is there something that we can do to help the program move forward so we have something that we can be proud of? Are there people on this board that want to meet and discuss these issues? See if we can put something real together? I am talking about donating, getting people to games and on campus, etc. If yes, I am in. To clarify, 1. by people on the board I am referring to this message board; and 2. if you want to give to NIL definitely do it. |
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Post by las71 on Feb 9, 2024 15:40:57 GMT -5
I continue to be surprised at the lack of interest by the students. I hope the athletic department is making every effort to improve student attendance. I also find it surprising that more alums don't attend. Hard to beat the price for DI hoops and the parking is free. I mourn our loss of relevance. The only way to get it back to quote Al Davis is "just win baby " The school has to commit and pour resources into this or it will never get better
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 9, 2024 19:12:53 GMT -5
Hi guys, Just a couple of things: Basketball coach not an AD decision. Goes higher than him, not one person.. Dr Allen knows the situation and importance.. A-10 is valuable real estate you don’t give it up… He also knows athletics is marketing.. It is free marketing to the world Was a ton of interest in the job. From coaches, you know and coaches you don’t. There will continue to be a ton of interest in the job as long as La Salle is in the A-10. The A-10 is a gateway to the big leagues. I think you have to hire a systems coach. "A-10 is valuable real estate you don’t give it up…" great way to put it from where I sit and happy to hear it is viewed this way among powers that be. |
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Post by kinesiology on Feb 9, 2024 19:38:20 GMT -5
I continue to be surprised at the lack of interest by the students. I hope the athletic department is making every effort to improve student attendance. I also find it surprising that more alums don't attend. Hard to beat the price for DI hoops and the parking is free. I mourn our loss of relevance. The only way to get it back to quote Al Davis is "just win baby " The school has to commit and pour resources into this or it will never get better This is not a new phenomenon. If you’re a ‘71, you know that even in the heyday of #2 in the country we were at best tied for 4th with Temple in student section firepower. At the time it was attributed to the high percentage of “dayhops” (80% of students at the time if memory serves). Harder to gauge the Lionel years at the Civic Center but I don’t think our student support was much different relative to the rest of the city. Since games moved on campus, if anything, we’ve fallen even further behind. I have no answer or explanation but the lack of student support is not surprising. |
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Post by lasallejohn on Feb 9, 2024 19:54:41 GMT -5
How’d they do it?
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Post by mookie on Feb 9, 2024 21:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by weston2 on Feb 10, 2024 7:22:11 GMT -5
I continue to be surprised at the lack of interest by the students. I hope the athletic department is making every effort to improve student attendance. I also find it surprising that more alums don't attend. Hard to beat the price for DI hoops and the parking is free. I mourn our loss of relevance. The only way to get it back to quote Al Davis is "just win baby " The school has to commit and pour resources into this or it will never get better This is not a new phenomenon. If you’re a ‘71, you know that even in the heyday of #2 in the country we were at best tied for 4th with Temple in student section firepower. At the time it was attributed to the high percentage of “dayhops” (80% of students at the time if memory serves). Harder to gauge the Lionel years at the Civic Center but I don’t think our student support was much different relative to the rest of the city. Since games moved on campus, if anything, we’ve fallen even further behind. I have no answer or explanation but the lack of student support is not surprising. Ain't that the truth. Exactly. |
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Post by nyalum on Feb 10, 2024 12:41:07 GMT -5
As mentioned earlier, I think the best way to improve student support would be to produce a consistent winner. The arena renovation will help with this, but the NIL program also needs to be competitive. Happy Lunar New Year and Year of the Dragon to those who celebrate it, BTW.
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