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Post by mookie on Jan 28, 2024 20:14:39 GMT -5
I've been saying that Shepherd (by offensive scheme design) spends too much time in the corner forced to "watch the game". what should he be doing? If you put him in the lane he’s going to be in the way and he’s not a post threat. He’s not a good enough dribbler or passer yet to run a complex set through. He’s a corner three guy who can move to the dunker spot if it’s there. I don’t think you can say he’s a corner 3 guy though. He may be playing that role but he’s not positioned for success (28%). |
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Post by gymrat67 on Jan 28, 2024 20:22:39 GMT -5
Thought for today : Here's hoping that the emergent / evolving confident play being exhibited of late by Zan, Marrero and Fasasi will serve as the stimulus to inspire and motivate Rokas, Kovacevic, Mercandino, Tahmaz and Sanchez - Ramos going forward.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 29, 2024 13:30:56 GMT -5
what should he be doing? If you put him in the lane he’s going to be in the way and he’s not a post threat. He’s not a good enough dribbler or passer yet to run a complex set through. He’s a corner three guy who can move to the dunker spot if it’s there. I don’t think you can say he’s a corner 3 guy though. He may be playing that role but he’s not positioned for success (28%). I'll agree that he hasn't had the success La Salle needs him to have there, but I don't know where else you put him. He and Anwar are the only two guys that can guard athletic wings though. So he needs to play. La Salle needs to hope he gets hot. |
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Post by lasallejohn on Jan 29, 2024 13:57:02 GMT -5
I'd argue I'm seeing Daeshon hit more shots this year that he never would have hit or shot the past two years. At the same time, sometimes I don't like his body language out there.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 29, 2024 17:06:50 GMT -5
what should he be doing? If you put him in the lane he’s going to be in the way and he’s not a post threat. He’s not a good enough dribbler or passer yet to run a complex set through. He’s a corner three guy who can move to the dunker spot if it’s there. I don’t think you can say he’s a corner 3 guy though. He may be playing that role but he’s not positioned for success (28%). i wish i had access to a shot chart for daeshon. he's shooting well from inside the arc (51-99, 51.5%) and has been pretty consistent on his mid-range jumpers. his problems have been from three (19-68, 27.9%). but i'd be willing to bet that maybe 15 of those 19 makes were from the left corner and his percentage from there is in the 35-40% range. it makes sense for someone who shoots with his right hand as the side of the backboard doesn't come into play. maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for the coaches to suggest to him that he limit his threes to that part of the court. |
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Post by mookie on Jan 29, 2024 17:30:49 GMT -5
I don’t think you can say he’s a corner 3 guy though. He may be playing that role but he’s not positioned for success (28%). i wish i had access to a shot chart for daeshon. he's shooting well from inside the arc (51-99, 51.5%) and has been pretty consistent on his mid-range jumpers. his problems have been from three (19-68, 27.9%). but i'd be willing to bet that maybe 15 of those 19 makes were from the left corner and his percentage from there is in the 35-40% range. it makes sense for someone who shoots with his right hand as the side of the backboard doesn't come into play. maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for the coaches to suggest to him that he limit his threes to that part of the court. I’d be interested in seeing his shot chart. I’m inclined to say his FG% is lifted up because of the number of dunks he’s had. I don’t have an impression he possesses a solid jumper and his 3pt shooting statistically supports my argument that’s he’s not very good at it. However, if the shot charts indicates otherwise, I’m happy to admit being wrong. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 29, 2024 19:18:57 GMT -5
i wish i had access to a shot chart for daeshon. he's shooting well from inside the arc (51-99, 51.5%) and has been pretty consistent on his mid-range jumpers. his problems have been from three (19-68, 27.9%). but i'd be willing to bet that maybe 15 of those 19 makes were from the left corner and his percentage from there is in the 35-40% range. it makes sense for someone who shoots with his right hand as the side of the backboard doesn't come into play. maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for the coaches to suggest to him that he limit his threes to that part of the court. I’d be interested in seeing his shot chart. I’m inclined to say his FG% is lifted up because of the number of dunks he’s had. I don’t have an impression he possesses a solid jumper and his 3pt shooting statistically supports my argument that’s he’s not very good at it. However, if the shot charts indicates otherwise, I’m happy to admit being wrong. i either read or heard on a recent broadcast that he had around 17 dunks on the season. as far as i can remember, he's only had 1 dunk in the last 4 games. so if 18 of his shots inside the arc were dunks, his % on other shots inside the arc would be around 40.7% (33-81). not great, but not horrible either |
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Post by calsufan on Jan 29, 2024 19:45:22 GMT -5
I’d be interested in seeing his shot chart. I’m inclined to say his FG% is lifted up because of the number of dunks he’s had. I don’t have an impression he possesses a solid jumper and his 3pt shooting statistically supports my argument that’s he’s not very good at it. However, if the shot charts indicates otherwise, I’m happy to admit being wrong. i either read or heard on a recent broadcast that he had around 17 dunks on the season. as far as i can remember, he's only had 1 dunk in the last 4 games. so if 18 of his shots inside the arc were dunks, his % on other shots inside the arc would be around 40.7% (33-81). not great, but not horrible either The attached isn't a shot chart per se, but it does break down Daeshon's shots by "at the rim", 2 pt. jumpers and 3 pt. jumpers. His first year isn't really representative because he only had a small sample size. Looking at the percentages, he should strictly be someone who shoots near the rim. Note his 3 pt. shots have skyrocketed, but his shooting percentage hasn't moved much. (click on the thumbnail to blow up the pic, you'll need to be signed in)  |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 30, 2024 1:00:36 GMT -5
i either read or heard on a recent broadcast that he had around 17 dunks on the season. as far as i can remember, he's only had 1 dunk in the last 4 games. so if 18 of his shots inside the arc were dunks, his % on other shots inside the arc would be around 40.7% (33-81). not great, but not horrible either The attached isn't a shot chart per se, but it does break down Daeshon's shots by "at the rim", 2 pt. jumpers and 3 pt. jumpers. His first year isn't really representative because he only had a small sample size. Looking at the percentages, he should strictly be someone who shoots near the rim. Note his 3 pt. shots have skyrocketed, but his shooting percentage hasn't moved much. (click on the thumbnail to blow up the pic, you'll need to be signed in) View Attachmentnot sure where these numbers come from, but i have to question how they came up with his fg% at the rim. don't see how that could be 62.1% as i've seen every game this year and he's maybe missed 2 dunks all season and based on my own eye test (i've seen every minute of every game this season) has finished at the rim at a much higher percentage than that. that makes me question the 2 pt jumper fg% of 30.3%. regardless, i agree he should cut back on the threes and try to limit them to wide open ones from the left corner and to a lesser degree, somewhere on the left wing. i have no issue on him taking pull-up jumpers in the 12-15 feet range as imo, he's made a decent percentage of them. like khalil, he's in a slump recently, but if i'm the coach, i keep putting him out there because i'm confident he's going to bounce back and be a solid contributor for this team more than not. there are plenty of minutes for both him and tunde. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 30, 2024 6:51:24 GMT -5
Everyone needs to shoot more threes.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 30, 2024 7:08:01 GMT -5
The attached isn't a shot chart per se, but it does break down Daeshon's shots by "at the rim", 2 pt. jumpers and 3 pt. jumpers. His first year isn't really representative because he only had a small sample size. Looking at the percentages, he should strictly be someone who shoots near the rim. Note his 3 pt. shots have skyrocketed, but his shooting percentage hasn't moved much. (click on the thumbnail to blow up the pic, you'll need to be signed in) View Attachmentnot sure where these numbers come from, but i have to question how they came up with his fg% at the rim. don't see how that could be 62.1% as i've seen every game this year and he's maybe missed 2 dunks all season and based on my own eye test (i've seen every minute of every game this season) has finished at the rim at a much higher percentage than that. that makes me question the 2 pt jumper fg% of 30.3%. regardless, i agree he should cut back on the threes and try to limit them to wide open ones from the left corner and to a lesser degree, somewhere on the left wing. i have no issue on him taking pull-up jumpers in the 12-15 feet range as imo, he's made a decent percentage of them. like khalil, he's in a slump recently, but if i'm the coach, i keep putting him out there because i'm confident he's going to bounce back and be a solid contributor for this team more than not. there are plenty of minutes for both him and tunde. I googled stats and that one popped up in the list. How legit it is, I don't know, but it certainly had the info, so they're scraping it from somewhere. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 30, 2024 10:43:25 GMT -5
Everyone needs to shoot more threes. I'd like to see our bigger guys drive more and try to draw fouls. This will also collapse the defense and should open up more 3s. I don't see a ton of cutting into the post by us, so defenses aren't playing us to do that. |
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Post by mookie on Jan 30, 2024 11:04:18 GMT -5
Appreciate the stats and evidence.
I won’t question the validity just for the sake of keeping the discussion simple. If we did go extreme with the numbers, it does make more sense for La Salle to shoot more 3s based on the team’s percentages.
62 avg shots per game
.495% from 2 = 61ppg
.343% from 3 = 64ppg
However, when you layer in FTs you’re going to obviously shoot more of them if you’re not solely shooting 3s. My point really is that while I’m not in favor of shooting more 3s, perhaps it’s a case of certain players shoot it less while others increase OR a better balance which is predicated on earning your 3s. So basically, someone like Shepherd (28%) or Gill (21%) are allowed one 3 per game unless they make that initial 3 in which they get an addition 1 or 2 shots. This makes them have to be selective and take smarter shots and from a stat-geek and sabermetrics perspective it keep their efficiency up because their points per shot would remain at 1. It also forces athletes like Gill and Shepherd to maximize their strengths and still get points because their FT rate would increase.
Just my stats-geek opinion. Side note, I tend to use sports-reference.com to quickly get stats because I do like their breakdowns vs says ESPN.
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Post by mookie on Jan 30, 2024 11:09:08 GMT -5
The attached isn't a shot chart per se, but it does break down Daeshon's shots by "at the rim", 2 pt. jumpers and 3 pt. jumpers. His first year isn't really representative because he only had a small sample size. Looking at the percentages, he should strictly be someone who shoots near the rim. Note his 3 pt. shots have skyrocketed, but his shooting percentage hasn't moved much. (click on the thumbnail to blow up the pic, you'll need to be signed in) View Attachmentnot sure where these numbers come from, but i have to question how they came up with his fg% at the rim. don't see how that could be 62.1% as i've seen every game this year and he's maybe missed 2 dunks all season and based on my own eye test (i've seen every minute of every game this season) has finished at the rim at a much higher percentage than that. that makes me question the 2 pt jumper fg% of 30.3%. regardless, i agree he should cut back on the threes and try to limit them to wide open ones from the left corner and to a lesser degree, somewhere on the left wing. i have no issue on him taking pull-up jumpers in the 12-15 feet range as imo, he's made a decent percentage of them. like khalil, he's in a slump recently, but if i'm the coach, i keep putting him out there because i'm confident he's going to bounce back and be a solid contributor for this team more than not. there are plenty of minutes for both him and tunde. Perhaps that’s conference? I’m looking at sports reference and it has Shepherd shooting 33% from 2 for conference games but 51.5% overall. His shooting has night and day from OOC to In Conference FG / 2FG / 3FG 41.2 / 51.5 / 27.9 vs 28.3 / 33.3 / 19 |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 30, 2024 12:03:02 GMT -5
Everyone needs to shoot more threes. I'd like to see our bigger guys drive more and try to draw fouls. This will also collapse the defense and should open up more 3s. I don't see a ton of cutting into the post by us, so defenses aren't playing us to do that. Which of the bigger guys are post threats? Every team worth their salt is bigger and has the advantage. |
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Post by mookie on Jan 30, 2024 12:31:45 GMT -5
I'd like to see our bigger guys drive more and try to draw fouls. This will also collapse the defense and should open up more 3s. I don't see a ton of cutting into the post by us, so defenses aren't playing us to do that. Which of the bigger guys are post threats? Every team worth their salt is bigger and has the advantage. Jocius has some post skills. He has other deficiencies such as poor hands, aggressiveness and strength; otherwise he would be an ideal candidate. I don’t know enough about Tunde to comment. The rest of the roster doesn’t strike me as being low post presences offensively. We could always experiment with Milos but he’d have to actually get in a game. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 30, 2024 12:37:41 GMT -5
Funny, I'd honestly rather have Jocius pulling the big out to the three point line than posting up.
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Post by mookie on Jan 30, 2024 14:09:46 GMT -5
Funny, I'd honestly rather have Jocius pulling the big out to the three point line than posting up. If you’re talking about pulling him out to the foul line then that would make a lot of sense. That was something I wish G had Zach do more of when he and Jerrell were on the court instead of both being down low. I don’t have faith in his 3 though because he’s shooting 20% |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 30, 2024 14:58:15 GMT -5
We rank 310th in FT attempts per game. That's because we stand around and shoot 3s instead of driving and initiating contact with some of our bigger players. We need to put the ball on the floor and force the refs to put us on the line. That will open up better 3 attempts.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 30, 2024 15:22:14 GMT -5
My point really is that while I’m not in favor of shooting more 3s, perhaps it’s a case of certain players shoot it less while others increase OR a better balance which is predicated on earning your 3s. i agree. play to the players strengths. try to get jhamir, andres and tunde as many open threes as possible. if khalil, daeshon and anwar are wide open and it's in the flow of the offense, let them take them but i'd much rather see the three of them focus on taking it into the midrange, paint or to the rim and either getting their shots there or kicking it out to the others for open threes. khalil did a great job in the midrange against gw. he only over-penetrated a couple times all game. over-penetrating was a big contributing factor to his slump. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 30, 2024 15:23:15 GMT -5
Which of the bigger guys are post threats? Every team worth their salt is bigger and has the advantage. Jocius has some post skills. He has other deficiencies such as poor hands, aggressiveness and strength; otherwise he would be an ideal candidate. I don’t know enough about Tunde to comment. The rest of the roster doesn’t strike me as being low post presences offensively. We could always experiment with Milos but he’d have to actually get in a game. our best low post player is jhamir and it's not even close. he is such a good player. |
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 30, 2024 15:33:37 GMT -5
We rank 310th in FT attempts per game. That's because we stand around and shoot 3s instead of driving and initiating contact with some of our bigger players. We need to put the ball on the floor and force the refs to put us on the line. That will open up better 3 attempts. Brickus and Anwar are the only ones willing to go in the paint and attack. Brickus will pass but Anwar almost always will not pass out of the drive. Brantley needs to watch Brickus and how he affects the game. He has the toughness and aggressiveness but just needs to understand how he can make his teammates better. Especially when his offensive game if off like it was prior to GW. The rest are really standstill shooters. I think Shepherd can be better than he has shown driving the ball and my long-term hope is that Tunde improves his handle to drive more and play more of a medium range game. He could be devastating at his height and tough to stop if he developed that. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 30, 2024 17:16:24 GMT -5
We rank 310th in FT attempts per game. That's because we stand around and shoot 3s instead of driving and initiating contact with some of our bigger players. We need to put the ball on the floor and force the refs to put us on the line. That will open up better 3 attempts. La Salle is 87th nationally in 3pt rate. Lowest amongst the Big 5 and towards the bottom in the A10. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 30, 2024 17:20:43 GMT -5
We rank 310th in FT attempts per game. That's because we stand around and shoot 3s instead of driving and initiating contact with some of our bigger players. We need to put the ball on the floor and force the refs to put us on the line. That will open up better 3 attempts. where does La salle rank in 3PTA % 170th in 3PT % 46th in attempts per game 61st in 3 pointers made per game Stats from here: www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/three-point-pctwe are taking a lot and making a lot, but not at a high percentage. Driving more would open up better %..in theory...because the defense couldn't cheat out and just guard the perimeter. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 30, 2024 17:25:13 GMT -5
Not 3pt percentage. Three point rate. Middle of the pack for non-low major schools.
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