MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Dec 14, 2023 16:03:53 GMT -5
Except there doesn't have to be a middle ground. A coach could go from FDU to Seton Hall to UNC in 3 years if they chose to, right?
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 14, 2023 20:59:27 GMT -5
i agree with your point but i never knew the lyrics until you pointed it out. since you didn't mention it, can i assume you're ok with the lyric where they refer to cops as pigs. i'm not, mister d. I am not ok with eating police officers so, in that sense, I'm 100% on the side of House of Pain. typical clown response from you. just as i expected. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 14, 2023 21:03:02 GMT -5
personally, i wouldn't call that piece of garbage a "song". i agree with your point but i never knew the lyrics until you pointed it out. since you didn't mention it, can i assume you're ok with the lyric where they refer to cops as pigs. i'm not, mister d. even worse, that song is played in lots of arenas during sporting events, and maybe i'm imagining it but i'm pretty sure the dj at gola has played it. Do we really want to go down this rabbit hole of rap lyrics? It will get restrictive pretty quickly. Eminem won't survive but may Lose Yourself would. don't come at me lunatic. mister d is the one who brought it up. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 14, 2023 21:26:26 GMT -5
It’s the mid-majors fanbases who might disappear. The big schools will be fine. ***LONG READ*** I don’t know what you think I’m arguing |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 14, 2023 21:29:51 GMT -5
Do we really want to go down this rabbit hole of rap lyrics? It will get restrictive pretty quickly. Eminem won't survive but may Lose Yourself would. don't come at me lunatic. mister d is the one who brought it up. Did you just youngboy me? It's been a long time diehard. You haven't done that to me since 2009 when I was riding Ruben Guillandeaux's ass. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 14, 2023 21:31:19 GMT -5
I don’t know what you think I’m arguing I'm interested to hear your La Salle to Bama comparison vs La Salle to Duke comparison... or the narrowing of the gap of such. |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 14, 2023 22:35:34 GMT -5
I am not ok with eating police officers so, in that sense, I'm 100% on the side of House of Pain. typical clown response from you. just as i expected. I invite you to post the lyrics and let the board decide. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 15, 2023 9:00:24 GMT -5
If nothing else, this thread dispels the notion that this board is a more pleasant place on the rare occasions when the team is winning.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 15, 2023 9:26:20 GMT -5
Jump around was a snapshot of 1992 rap. Dreams and Nightmares is a snapshot of modern day rap. I will let you fellas decide on what's worse.
I'm not pearl clutching either. I was at a wedding in lower Delaware the Friday before game 6 vs the Astros, and somebody requested it. The entire dance floor went nuts, well, everyone 40 and under did.
This wasn't a hip hop crowd either. I'm talking Morgan Wallen, Tiesto's Dancing on my Own, (my request that flopped), etc.
My point is, everybody listens to everything in 2023. Rap isn't any tamer than it was 30 years ago, most songs are about violence. But we love the shit in a song.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 15, 2023 9:38:38 GMT -5
This is risking a larger discussion about "why is violence against police ok in The Town but not a rap song" or "why aren't Clapton's or the Dead's references to cocaine censored", right?
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Post by MisterD on Dec 15, 2023 9:39:51 GMT -5
(Why would anyone use The Town as an example? Because I'm not a movie guy so my pool of references is pretty small, but I lived there and have seen it a few times and I know there's no ambiguity about my understanding of the plot.)
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 15, 2023 11:33:48 GMT -5
The Town is a great flick.
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Post by angry04 on Dec 15, 2023 13:03:42 GMT -5
(Why would anyone use The Town as an example? Because I'm not a movie guy so my pool of references is pretty small, but I lived there and have seen it a few times and I know there's no ambiguity about my understanding of the plot.) Just do us all a favor.. you are miserable human being and get some help. |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 15, 2023 13:40:44 GMT -5
I have no doubt all objective readers would see me as the miserable one here.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 15, 2023 16:56:39 GMT -5
I don’t know what you think I’m arguing I'm interested to hear your La Salle to Bama comparison vs La Salle to Duke comparison... or the narrowing of the gap of such. If FCS football were to live outside of the NCAA, separating all of the money that goes to both operations and NIL, the entire trajectory of college sports would change. The differential between La Salle’s basketball spend and Alabama’s football spend would be the difference between La Salle and whomever the highest spending basketball team is. The ceiling for conference affiliations comes down. The money pot shrinks. This has other effects. Some sports will get cut to reach Title IX compliance. But until that happens, the big schools will continue to spend big money on football. And that big football money will spill over to big basketball. And it’s a bottomless pit for 40 schools. Not having football as a crutch will slow the growth of spend. At least I think so. |
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Post by jb71 on Dec 16, 2023 21:37:53 GMT -5
Watched Blue Chips movie tonight....A remake would need an entirely new plot with NIL rules
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Post by explorerman on Dec 21, 2023 8:58:39 GMT -5
Don’t want create another thread and this seems to be the place to put it considering the topic but had a couple drinks with a long time friend whom is an asst D1 basketball coach at a “high” mid-major..
It had been a couple of years since we last saw each other in person. Life, kids, etc but we have exchanged messages and sometimes calls through that period.
His thoughts were interesting and really confirmed a lot of suspicions that we had discussed in recruiting these days.
Kids care a lot less about facilities and more about NIL. Usually that is the first thing that comes up. This asst coach also admitted they were behind on NIL and lost their 3 best players in the offseason. Every single one of them asked about NiL money in there end of season meeting. Head coach is on the hot seat and has been pushing donors towards NIL Collective and that has now pissed off the Athletic Development people, who are complaining to the AD. A vicious circle indeed. They have seen a big pick up in their collective over the last 12 months and thinks this recruiting cycle they will be ready to compete with a field that he thinks is already the Wild West. People promising things to players “that there is no way in hell that player is getting”. Meaning he believes a lot of people are talking to players and promising numbers that will not be realized. No regulation or transparency right now.
Confirms that Coach Dunphy was behind to the NIL party. Certainly doesn’t fault him, “My guy is 25 years younger than Fran and was a full year late to the party”. Joked the money that is going into the Glazer Arena might have been better used if going straight into a newly created Glazer Collective. “Talk about catching back up with the rest of the NIL crowd”.
Believes strongly that Drame Twins left for $$$.
Doesn’t think Josh has any second thoughts about leaving for less minutes and less prominent role. “Josh is at least bringing in $60k and really it probably $100k”. “the state schools will dominate this era. Taxpayers will pay for facilities and their 50,000 per year enrollment will take care of NIL”.
Thinks a good basketball player costs $80-$100k per year and high major talent starts at $150k.
High school kids are the biggest losers from the process as “ high major state school college coaches will pick pocket us if we have a player on the all-conference team. Head coaches would rather have the likely production from an older experienced player”.
Loves what Fran is doing in the Euro market. Wishes his guy would do it also. Way less competition for NIL $$ and those kids are more loyal.
Hearing a push among coaches asking for transparency regarding contracts with players and reporting/auditing of collectives.
His coach is focused on splitting the money evenly among all players. Does NOT want what happened to Miami last year. Supposedly coaching staff lost the locker room and there was a big division in team due to NIL money. “Paying certain players more than other players is just going to create a lot friction among teenage/20-somethings.”
Def knows NIL money is being used as a recruiting incentive but NCAA is not doing anything about it.
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 21, 2023 9:12:29 GMT -5
Good stuff explorerman.
Problem with the Glaser money is it was earmarked specifically fully for the arena. If John was alive today and living in this college basketball landscape he would probably not have donated money to the NIL knowing his principles and what he thought La Salle needed to be competitive.
NIL not only makes schools like La Salle struggle to stay competitive but it also does cause havoc with HM schools and balancing all of the greed out and you can see it can cause the program to have cancerous issues from the inside out.
The NIL is trouble all around. It rears itself in many different ways.
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Post by explorerman on Dec 21, 2023 9:13:55 GMT -5
Good stuff explorerman. Problem with the Glaser money is it was earmarked specifically fully for the arena. If John was alive today and living in this college basketball landscape he would probably not have donated money to the NIL knowing his principles and what he thought La Salle needed to be competitive. NIL not makes schools like La Salle struggle to stay competitive but it also does cause havoc with HM schools and balancing all of the greed out and you can see it can cause the program to have cancerous issues from the inside out. The NIL is trouble all around. It rears itself in many different way. Oh yeah fully agree about Glaser and the covenants on the gift |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 21, 2023 9:27:23 GMT -5
His thoughts were interesting and really confirmed a lot of suspicions that we had discussed in recruiting these days. Kids care a lot less about facilities and more about NIL. Usually that is the first thing that comes up. Every single one of them asked about NiL money in there end of season meeting. Head coach is on the hot seat and has been pushing donors towards NIL Collective and that has now pissed off the Athletic Development people, who are complaining to the AD. A vicious circle indeed. His coach is focused on splitting the money evenly among all players. Does NOT want what happened to Miami last year. Supposedly coaching staff lost the locker room and there was a big division in team due to NIL money. “Paying certain players more than other players is just going to create a lot friction among teenage/20-somethings.” Def knows NIL money is being used as a recruiting incentive but NCAA is not doing anything about it. I mentioned before on here that the arena renovation money would be better spent on the NIL to get better players than on facilities and got blasted for it. That would have voided the Glaser donation, but there's millions of dollars in donations now going toward facilities instead of into player's pockets. In 2013, facilities mattered...not sure they do now. We talked bout locker room inequity too on here and how coaches will now have to manage that with kids. It really does turn these kids into free agent employees year-on-year..and in many cases earning more than the professors teaching them...which also creates a really weird dynamic. |
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 21, 2023 9:34:27 GMT -5
Facilities matter because when La Salle is competing against a school and the NIL money is close or the same where are they looking next? It isn't one or the other. IT IS ALL!! It's an arms races and have been for 40 years now. It was improving facilities, then it it was getting to the NBA, then it was NIL, next will be  , then . What was part of the arms race 40 years ago doesn't just go away. It just keeps piling up. The problem has been La Salle was always behind in the race. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 21, 2023 9:46:52 GMT -5
Your coach is operating with an acceptable arena, I’m sure. Gola isn’t acceptable.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 21, 2023 9:55:44 GMT -5
Facilities matter because when La Salle is competing against a school and the NIL money is close or the same where are they looking next? It isn't one or the other. IT IS ALL!! agreed...but...with limited resources you can't fight a war on multiple fronts (as taught to me by Brother Ed in history class). Pick one and go after it...and pick the front that matters most. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 21, 2023 10:46:31 GMT -5
Schools like Penn State with all their resources are struggling to keep up with this. Here's what their AD has to say on this yesterday: www.on3.com/teams/penn-state-nittany-lions/news/read-everything-athletic-director-pat-kraft-had-to-say-during-penn-state-end-of-year-press-conference/Q. James mentioned and expressed some concerns about the transfer portal and the word he used was “tampering.” What recourse do schools have and have you brought this up specifically to your fellow ADs and other leadership? Kraft: Yeah, great question, it’s everywhere now and yes, we talk about it ad nauseam. I think it is, we say this, but it really is the wild, wild west right now.
I’ll give you a perfect example. We were in Las Vegas for Olu’s [Fashanu] award. He was nominated for the Campbell Trophy. And on our way there, we got an e-mail of eight athletes, one of which was our own, who was not in the portal, and an agent was saying, “Hey, are you interested in him?” One of them was our; and was not in portal ,was just shopping athletes around.
I was not very happy that was happening and went to the NCAA officials there and shared it with them. We are trying to communicate everything we see but it’s hard because some people are showing it to you, some people aren’t, you know, and it’s just a really difficult spot to be in. They are putting the student athletes in a really tough spot, too.
But I do think we are; the tampering is real and I had a conversation with someone the other day and they said, listen the rules that are being made are actually hurting the people that follow the rules because everyone is trying to do what’s right.
So I think James, now, I’m proud of them what they did with this class. I think they did an amazing job. He does a great job. You guys can talk about that later today. But yeah, it’s real and we try to just hand and over and say here is what we are finding. I have to believe the NCAA is inundated with it. But it is a topic, all the way. Everybody is talking about it, coaches, ADs, everybody in the business. |
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Post by explorerman on Dec 21, 2023 13:55:45 GMT -5
This was exactly what he was talking about. In 2021, a player had $100k “offer” out there before end the of season meeting. Player was like “ I like it here can you come close?” Head Coach had to dance around question with empty answers about progress. HC was furious about how could player even have an offer when they were still in season. There are still the traditional no tampering rules that have been place forever Player entered portal a week later. |
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Post by hoopsguest on Dec 21, 2023 14:49:38 GMT -5
The NCAA wants Congress to so something. What a horrible idea
If the NCAA had any guts and vision- allow players to make money from the local car dealership or use their name to run personal training/camps, or say Nike - but ban collectives. The collectives are de facto pay for play and they can regulate that
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Post by explorerman on Dec 21, 2023 15:06:58 GMT -5
The NCAA wants Congress to so something. What a horrible idea If the NCAA had any guts and vision- allow players to make money from the local car dealership or use their name to run personal training/camps, or say Nike - but ban collectives. The collectives are de facto pay for play and they can regulate that The ast coach said the new thing is entities that offer payments for future earnings.. I was like how in the world is that endorsement for NIL.. that is basically a glorified loan with expectation of repayment or direct payment from player at later date… I say loan because you HAVE to pay money back in earned money… Way different animal then an endorsement deal.. Asst Coach just sighed.. This is where we are going with nothing unchecked.. Ramifications well beyond a kids college term.. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 21, 2023 16:08:51 GMT -5
Kids are going to suffer the consequences.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 22, 2023 11:42:49 GMT -5
Arch Manning made $3.2 million as the backup QB for Texas. He didn't even start.
Brock Purdy makes $870K and he's probably going to win MVP and possibly a Superbowl.
The shit is out of whack. I agree with the earlier poster that maybe collectives should be banned, and let players get whatever the market yields as far as endorsements, camps, and appearance fees. I don't know how you clean up agents and handlers shopping kids not in the portal. Maybe ban said agents and handlers? Suspend said player for a year?It's the dirty part of the sport. It's the reason I don't like in conference transfers without a mandatory sit penalty. Conferences, or the NCAA, need to discourage this shit, because the coaches don't have the moral code and character to police themselves.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 22, 2023 12:47:16 GMT -5
Thousands made $0 in college and now face a lifetime of physical and/or mental ailments. Worry about that more than a few outlier cases of big NIL deals without (current year) production.
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, then 