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Post by 23won on Dec 17, 2022 8:23:29 GMT -5
Indeed Lun. He’s a great guy and a good coach. Hope he makes the dance. Kudos to Schmidt for scheduling FGCU.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 20, 2022 12:47:26 GMT -5
The A10 is a legit mess from a NET rankings standpoint. A few scrub games left over the next week before conference play starts is not going to move the needle on any of these teams toward the top: - St. Louis hosts Southern Illinois University Edwardsville (NET 116)
- Fordham hosts VMI (NET 310)
- UMass hosts Dartmouth (NET 316)
- Dayton hosts Alcorn State (NET 217)
The conference is 1-18 in Quad 1 games. I see no chance for an at-large bid for any team in this conference unless St. Louis only loses a few and loses in the A10 finals...but even that is a stretch against a bunch of mostly Quad 3 and 4 games for them. "Juan Bid" will make his appearance in March thanks to an A10 that typically just beats up on each other in regular season play. St. Louis | 88 | Fordham | 103 | UMass | 107 | Dayton | 108 | Duquesne | 133 | Davidson | 136 | George Mason | 137 | VCU | 139 | Richmond | 157 | St. Bonaventure | 192 | George Washington | 221 | Loyola Chicago | 225 | La Salle | 274 | Rhode Island | 277 | St. Joe's (of PA) | 280 |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 20, 2022 14:47:37 GMT -5
It's a shit conference this season. It's also been on the decline for the past several years.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 20, 2022 15:39:45 GMT -5
It's a shit conference this season. It's also been on the decline for the past several years. I've been in a real "why is La Salle in this conference" mood the last two weeks and I don't like it.
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Post by a10champion15 on Dec 20, 2022 16:17:42 GMT -5
The A10 not having a good year but the NET is a terrible metric in late December for this conference.
Some of those prior years seem worse but we will see. The A10 missing the talent at the top for sure.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 20, 2022 17:11:22 GMT -5
The A10 not having a good year but the NET is a terrible metric in late December for this conference. What is a better metric for late December for this conference?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 21, 2022 22:21:33 GMT -5
And St. Louis blows an 18 point lead at home to lose.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 22, 2022 15:42:34 GMT -5
A horrendous VMI team takes Fordham to overtime in the Bronx today but falls short. Fordham moves to 12-1 somehow but it's a crap record. 10-0 against Quad 4 teams - most of whom have NET rankings over 300, and the other 2 wins against Quad 3 squads.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 23, 2022 8:57:31 GMT -5
I can't think of any better way to honor Festivus than showing the latest NET rankings for the A10... Let the Airing of Grievances begin Dayton | 88 | St. Louis | 102 | UMass | 112 | Fordham | 117 | VCU | 119 | George Mason | 123 | Duquesne | 131 | Richmond | 144 | Davidson | 166 | George Washington | 197 | St. Bonaventure | 205 | Loyola Chicago | 232 | St. Joe's (of PA) | 263 | Rhode Island | 272 | La Salle | 309 |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 23, 2022 14:49:57 GMT -5
A horrendous VMI team takes Fordham to overtime in the Bronx today but falls short. Fordham moves to 12-1 somehow but it's a crap record. 10-0 against Quad 4 teams - most of whom have NET rankings over 300, and the other 2 wins against Quad 3 squads. The John Giannini way
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Post by weston2 on Dec 26, 2022 17:08:42 GMT -5
A horrendous VMI team takes Fordham to overtime in the Bronx today but falls short. Fordham moves to 12-1 somehow but it's a crap record. 10-0 against Quad 4 teams - most of whom have NET rankings over 300, and the other 2 wins against Quad 3 squads. Both Fordham and Duquesne (10-3) scheduled 11 home games, and played one each buy game....Arkansas and Kentucky, took the clobbering and ran. Guess they reinvested in their own buy games with that money. Will that be exposed in conference play? The a10 is a mess, no clear team to separate. On any given home game, you can win because there's not a dominant squad. Pretty soon this league will not be a "mid-major" more like the NEC, MAAC, and assorted other abbreviations. Over the last 5 years the league has continued to regress. Not like I remember in its hey day.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 26, 2022 21:42:40 GMT -5
I swear sometimes there are posts that only exist to bait me into doing a researched response.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 27, 2022 5:26:38 GMT -5
I swear sometimes there are posts that only exist to bait me into doing a researched response. If it makes you feel better, I said that I do miss G. I saw him at PJ Whelihan's in Washington Twp. last year. He was dressed in full Rowan gear, but I regret not going over to him and talking to him.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 27, 2022 5:28:28 GMT -5
A horrendous VMI team takes Fordham to overtime in the Bronx today but falls short. Fordham moves to 12-1 somehow but it's a crap record. 10-0 against Quad 4 teams - most of whom have NET rankings over 300, and the other 2 wins against Quad 3 squads. Both Fordham and Duquesne (10-3) scheduled 11 home games, and played one each buy game....Arkansas and Kentucky, took the clobbering and ran. Guess they reinvested in their own buy games with that money. Will that be exposed in conference play? The a10 is a mess, no clear team to separate. On any given home game, you can win because there's not a dominant squad. Pretty soon this league will not be a "mid-major" more like the NEC, MAAC, and assorted other abbreviations. Over the last 5 years the league has continued to regress. Not like I remember in its hey day. I wrote up a long post about 5 years ago about the fall of the A10 and how to fix it. Nothing has been done that I suggested, and the travelling carnival that is the A10 Tourney has continued. We are about 3 years away from being the NEC and the MAAC if things don't get squared away.
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Post by 23won on Dec 27, 2022 9:40:56 GMT -5
The demise of the A10 is more about the power grab by the big football conferences, first big stipend money, then high budget NIL dollars, and the Quad system that rewards big football conferences' in-conference scheduling (and their reluctance to schedule high mid-majors not named Gonzaga) and TV deals where fewer mid-majors show up on networks and are relegated to espn+. It will get worse as the Big 10 and SEC achieve greater super-power status, the Big 12 (and to a lesser extent the ACC) carves out next power level status and the Pac 12 struggles for relevance and stability after USC and UCLA (and others) leave that conference.
I think you could see a gradual weakening of the Big East relevance unless they spend heavy on NIL, strengthen their TV contract and add some strength like Gonzaga. As mentioned on prior posts, it will be interesting to see how Neptune and Nova will navigate to maintain the power position Jay Wright created (and bequeathed).
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Post by MisterD on Dec 27, 2022 9:56:50 GMT -5
I swear sometimes there are posts that only exist to bait me into doing a researched response. If it makes you feel better, I said that I do miss G. I saw him at PJ Whelihan's in Washington Twp. last year. He was dressed in full Rowan gear, but I regret not going over to him and talking to him. Link below is Giannini's last year, you can just work backwards and sort by SoS. We almost always had an upper 1/2, often upper 1/3, schedule in the conference. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/atlantic-10/2018.html#standings::11And you should have gone up to him, thanked him for his years here and then told him to support a local restaurant next time ; )
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 27, 2022 11:15:34 GMT -5
It's more than that 23. NIL has ZERO to do with GW going out to Hawaii and getting smoked by Pepperdine and San Diego. GW was literally the worst team at Diamondhead. UMass Lowell beat up on UMass and led URI for about 38 minutes before losing in OT. Iona smoked SLU like they were beating up on Marist. We aren't talking about competing with the Power 5. We're talking about trying to compete with the AAC, Mountain West, and WCC to be the best non power conference in the country. We are failing miserably right now, to the point where we are more on par with the MAAC, CAA, and NEC. It isn't football and NIL beating up on the A10.
Going from a 16 game schedule to an 18 game schedule killed this league. As did moving the tourney from AC, and putting it on the road to a different city every year. We lost some big time heavyweights in the coaching ranks, i.e. Majerus, Martelli, Stevens, Shaka, Hurley, etc.
McGlade has buried this league. What's the plan? Where's the strategy to get back to where we were 10 years ago? Is there a plan? Right now, Iona is in a better spot than any A10 school in men's basketball.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 27, 2022 11:37:13 GMT -5
It's more than that 23. NIL has ZERO to do with GW going out to Hawaii and getting smoked by Pepperdine and San Diego. GW was literally the worst team at Diamondhead. UMass Lowell beat up on UMass and led URI for about 38 minutes before losing in OT. Iona smoked SLU like they were beating up on Marist. We aren't talking about competing with the Power 5. We're talking about trying to compete with the AAC, Mountain West, and WCC to be the best non power conference in the country. We are failing miserably right now, to the point where we are more on par with the MAAC, CAA, and NEC. It isn't football and NIL beating up on the A10. Going from a 16 game schedule to an 18 game schedule killed this league. As did moving the tourney from AC, and putting it on the road to a different city every year. We lost some big time heavyweights in the coaching ranks, i.e. Majerus, Martelli, Stevens, Shaka, Hurley, etc. McGlade has buried this league. What's the plan? Where's the strategy to get back to where we were 10 years ago? Is there a plan? Right now, Iona is in a better spot than any A10 school in men's basketball. I agree pretty much with everything except for your last sentence. The only reason Iona is where they are right now is because of Pitino. Once he's gone, they'll fall back.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 27, 2022 11:40:16 GMT -5
Right. Like look at Villanova now that Wright left.
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Post by 23won on Dec 27, 2022 13:04:11 GMT -5
It's more than that 23. NIL has ZERO to do with GW going out to Hawaii and getting smoked by Pepperdine and San Diego. GW was literally the worst team at Diamondhead. UMass Lowell beat up on UMass and led URI for about 38 minutes before losing in OT. Iona smoked SLU like they were beating up on Marist. We aren't talking about competing with the Power 5. We're talking about trying to compete with the AAC, Mountain West, and WCC to be the best non power conference in the country. We are failing miserably right now, to the point where we are more on par with the MAAC, CAA, and NEC. It isn't football and NIL beating up on the A10. Going from a 16 game schedule to an 18 game schedule killed this league. As did moving the tourney from AC, and putting it on the road to a different city every year. We lost some big time heavyweights in the coaching ranks, i.e. Majerus, Martelli, Stevens, Shaka, Hurley, etc. McGlade has buried this league. What's the plan? Where's the strategy to get back to where we were 10 years ago? Is there a plan? Right now, Iona is in a better spot than any A10 school in men's basketball. I agree with some of your points and while I agree that the coaches at UD, SLU, VCU, UMass and URI are underperforming, IMO the larger impact is the points I raised, especially NIL and keeping great A10 players in school. It certainly is not having the tourney in AC, even though that would be great. Also, if no one at P5 wants to schedule a good mid major, how much impact is 18 v 16 games (although McGlade could do way better for sure). Examples of this are: Kellan Grady from UR to KY Holmes to IA State (leading scorer) and Osun to IA State; Lofton to FLA Tre Mitchell left UMass for Texas and then again to WVU GW's Bamisile went to OU. Freeman went to URI (not football but chasing bigger bucks) Do you think we get smoked by Lafayette with Clark (NC St) and Moore (Providence)? Mitchell Bros left URI for Arkansas, and Tyrese Martin went to UConn (#1) These A10 star losses aren't being back-filled with the same caliber of player.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 27, 2022 13:33:17 GMT -5
It's more than that 23. NIL has ZERO to do with GW going out to Hawaii and getting smoked by Pepperdine and San Diego. GW was literally the worst team at Diamondhead. UMass Lowell beat up on UMass and led URI for about 38 minutes before losing in OT. Iona smoked SLU like they were beating up on Marist. We aren't talking about competing with the Power 5. We're talking about trying to compete with the AAC, Mountain West, and WCC to be the best non power conference in the country. We are failing miserably right now, to the point where we are more on par with the MAAC, CAA, and NEC. It isn't football and NIL beating up on the A10. Going from a 16 game schedule to an 18 game schedule killed this league. As did moving the tourney from AC, and putting it on the road to a different city every year. We lost some big time heavyweights in the coaching ranks, i.e. Majerus, Martelli, Stevens, Shaka, Hurley, etc. McGlade has buried this league. What's the plan? Where's the strategy to get back to where we were 10 years ago? Is there a plan? Right now, Iona is in a better spot than any A10 school in men's basketball. I agree with some of your points and while I agree that the coaches at UD, SLU, VCU, UMass and URI are underperforming, IMO the larger impact is the points I raised, especially NIL and keeping great A10 players in school. It certainly is not having the tourney in AC, even though that would be great. Also, if no one at P5 wants to schedule a good mid major, how much impact is 18 v 16 games (although McGlade could do way better for sure). Examples of this are: Kellan Grady from UR to KY Holmes to IA State (leading scorer) and Osun to IA State; Lofton to FLA Tre Mitchell left UMass for Texas and then again to WVU GW's Bamisile went to OU. Freeman went to URI (not football but chasing bigger bucks) Do you think we get smoked by Lafayette with Clark (NC St) and Moore (Providence)? Mitchell Bros left URI for Arkansas, and Tyrese Martin went to UConn (#1) These A10 star losses aren't being back-filled with the same caliber of player. To answer your question, I believe we'd still have the same record with Clark and Moore. Why? Because we won 9 and 11 games with them, and its more of the same without them. Not that they aren't good players, but they didn't translate into wins. The last program changer to play here was BJ Johnson. Before BJ it was Duren, Garland, and Galloway. Before those 3, Rodney Green. Before Green, Neal and Smith. I've just given you 7 program changing players in 20 years. That's why we struggle, and that's why we don't stay good. I don't care where they transfer from, and I don't care how many schools they transfer to after they leave here.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 27, 2022 15:10:28 GMT -5
To answer your question, I believe we'd still have the same record with Clark and Moore. Why? Because we won 9 and 11 games with them, and its more of the same without them. Not that they aren't good players, but they didn't translate into wins. I think that had more to do with the coaching than the players.
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Post by 23won on Dec 27, 2022 20:26:48 GMT -5
I agree with some of your points and while I agree that the coaches at UD, SLU, VCU, UMass and URI are underperforming, IMO the larger impact is the points I raised, especially NIL and keeping great A10 players in school. It certainly is not having the tourney in AC, even though that would be great. Also, if no one at P5 wants to schedule a good mid major, how much impact is 18 v 16 games (although McGlade could do way better for sure). Examples of this are: Kellan Grady from UR to KY Holmes to IA State (leading scorer) and Osun to IA State; Lofton to FLA Tre Mitchell left UMass for Texas and then again to WVU GW's Bamisile went to OU. Freeman went to URI (not football but chasing bigger bucks) Do you think we get smoked by Lafayette with Clark (NC St) and Moore (Providence)? Mitchell Bros left URI for Arkansas, and Tyrese Martin went to UConn (#1) These A10 star losses aren't being back-filled with the same caliber of player. To answer your question, I believe we'd still have the same record with Clark and Moore. Why? Because we won 9 and 11 games with them, and its more of the same without them. Not that they aren't good players, but they didn't translate into wins. The last program changer to play here was BJ Johnson. Before BJ it was Duren, Garland, and Galloway. Before those 3, Rodney Green. Before Green, Neal and Smith. I've just given you 7 program changing players in 20 years. That's why we struggle, and that's why we don't stay good. I don't care where they transfer from, and I don't care how many schools they transfer to after they leave here. Good points. Probably all of the above. Even with BJ, Green and Neal and Smith, in those eras we still weren't tourney caliber.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 28, 2022 10:53:30 GMT -5
Conference play opens tonight:
- Dayton is an 8.5 pt favorite hosting Duquesne at 7 PM on ESPN+ - Fordham is a 1 pt favorite hosting Davidson at 7 PM on CBSSN
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 28, 2022 11:17:52 GMT -5
If Dayton and Davidson roll, than we have our answer about the inflated records.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 28, 2022 11:49:13 GMT -5
If Dayton and Davidson roll, than we have our answer about the inflated records. Dayton is a NET of 82 right now. Probably the A10's best hope and they are tough at home. The Fordham game intrigues me.
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Post by 23won on Dec 28, 2022 17:03:52 GMT -5
If Dayton and Davidson roll, than we have our answer about the inflated records. Dayton should roll. DC should win, but Fordham has 5 good players and Rose Hill should be home friendly even if empty
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Post by weston2 on Dec 28, 2022 21:38:43 GMT -5
Like they always said, beware of 11 (ooc) home game teams playing their first conference games, either home and especially away. Both had problem getting out of the gate. See how this plays out moving forward.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 29, 2022 7:25:23 GMT -5
Like they always said, beware of 11 (ooc) home game teams playing their first conference games, either home and especially away. Both had problem getting out of the gate. See how this plays out moving forward. It proves my theory that stacking wins is BS. If the non-league schedule doesn't prepare a team for conference play, than it's not helping the team. Both of those teams with gaudy records got smoked. Dayton, at UD Arena is always a tough out, but this ain't the Obi Toppin teams. Davidson stinks, flat out...to get beaten like that at home by them proves the schedule was worthless.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 31, 2022 10:28:06 GMT -5
Lots of A10 action today with games starting at 1. A couple of lines seem low to me: - SLU -7.5 at SJU. I have to think SLU rolls. - Dayton -3.5 at Dayton. Not sure Davidson's defense can handle Dayton inside this year.
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