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Post by gymrat67 on Sept 5, 2022 10:51:15 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 5, 2022 11:31:47 GMT -5
I see Dayton over SLU at the top
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Post by diehardexplorer on Sept 5, 2022 13:45:47 GMT -5
these rankings are garbage. the guy who wrote this is a clueless umass homer who knows less about college basketball than most average fans. i've read numerous articles by him. the st joe's (pa) fans are all up in arms about their ranking. i have no idea where la salle will finish but i'm confident it will be higher than he picked us. slu and dayton are 1a and 1b. after that, everything is up for grabs. just about every other team is depending on transfers to elevate them.
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Post by calsufan on Sept 5, 2022 19:17:50 GMT -5
The biggest errors in my mind are Bonnies at 9 (they'll be around 5 or 6) and Mason at 4 (8 or 7 at best). I think Dayton takes it all. SLU always does less with more because they have Ford as their coach. I think La Salle will come in around 12. I also thought he dissed Lange pretty good, but it was an accurate assessment.
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Post by roaddog77 on Sept 5, 2022 21:31:51 GMT -5
No love for Philly school in the A10. That B.S #GoExplorer
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Post by diehardexplorer on Sept 5, 2022 23:16:26 GMT -5
The biggest errors in my mind are Bonnies at 9 (they'll be around 5 or 6) and Mason at 4 (8 or 7 at best). I think Dayton takes it all. SLU always does less with more because they have Ford as their coach. I think La Salle will come in around 12. I also thought he dissed Lange pretty good, but it was an accurate assessment. i disagree with you on st bona. i think 9th is too high for them. they lost everyone, and while some of the replacements they got from the portal put up decent numbers at their previous schools, they all came from lower conferences, and even more important, the only one that played on a winning team was daryl banks from st peter's. the composite record of the teams their other four transfers came from was 43-100. they have a couple decent frosh coming in, but imo, it will take a miracle coaching job by schmidt to have them finish in the top half of the league. significant step up in comp for the majority of their roster.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Sept 5, 2022 23:19:13 GMT -5
interesting statistical analysis by bart torvik. the numbers have la salle finishing 15-15 (does not include the second game in jamaica) and 8-10 in the atlantic 10. as stated on the page, this is a work in progress but it's encouraging to me nonetheless. barttorvik.com/team.php?team=La+Salle
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Post by sweat83 on Sept 6, 2022 8:21:45 GMT -5
interesting statistical analysis by bart torvik. the numbers have la salle finishing 15-15 (does not include the second game in jamaica) and 8-10 in the atlantic 10. as stated on the page, this is a work in progress but it's encouraging to me nonetheless. barttorvik.com/team.php?team=La+SalleBart basically has us right in the middle of pack at #151. Losing to the teams we're supposed to lose to, and beating the teams we're supposed to beat. I think Fran is at least 4 W's better than Ash with last years team. Not sure if that is the case with 3 starters gone this year. That said, I'd be ecstatic finishing at 15-15 and 8-10 in the A-10. But TBH, nobody really knows until we take the floor in November.
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Post by a10champion15 on Sept 6, 2022 8:55:59 GMT -5
I think it's a pretty fair assessment and I totally get the Mason and UMass hype. They both have very solid cores and upgraded via the portal and 2022 class. We will see if either of them live up to it.
Also, picking La Salle and SJU 14th and 15th is accurate. From the outside, we've both lost talent. Given, we have zero idea what to expect from the 4 international guys. Out of anyone ranked from let's say 8th-15th I think we are one of the hardest to gauge.
I don't know what to expect, I think right around .500 give or take a couple games depending on the impact of these international players and growth of our core. Dunphy going to help us win a lot of 50/50 games which have been a HUGE struggle in the past.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 6, 2022 9:31:35 GMT -5
Also, picking La Salle and SJU 14th and 15th is accurate. From the outside, we've both lost talent. These kinds of rankings games will always say that teams "lost players X/Y/X" but never consider anything beyond missing points per game. St. Joe's got better when Daly left, but everyone worried "HOW WILL THEY REPLACE HIS SCORING". They also don't do any scouting about additions that aren't 3-4 stars on readily available recruiting websites. It's a lazy thing to put out there with no downside for being wrong. I'll wait til we get closer, but I think La Salle will be better than we expect. If the Euros are any good, the team should be better than the previous three years easily...at least I think so.
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Post by calsufan on Sept 6, 2022 9:42:45 GMT -5
The biggest errors in my mind are Bonnies at 9 (they'll be around 5 or 6) and Mason at 4 (8 or 7 at best). I think Dayton takes it all. SLU always does less with more because they have Ford as their coach. I think La Salle will come in around 12. I also thought he dissed Lange pretty good, but it was an accurate assessment. i disagree with you on st bona. i think 9th is too high for them. they lost everyone, and while some of the replacements they got from the portal put up decent numbers at their previous schools, they all came from lower conferences, and even more important, the only one that played on a winning team was daryl banks from st peter's. the composite record of the teams their other four transfers came from was 43-100. they have a couple decent frosh coming in, but imo, it will take a miracle coaching job by schmidt to have them finish in the top half of the league. significant step up in comp for the majority of their roster. You well could be right, but I think Schmidt is the X factor here. He always seems to get the most out of his players. He's a very good coach. We'll know soon enough.
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Post by 23won on Sept 6, 2022 12:21:32 GMT -5
I think we finish above the Bonnies. I don’t think we’ll finish 8 at this point but we have a great coach for once.
If the new foreign players can help a core of jig, Brantley, Nicelberry and the Drames and Shepperd can elevate his game I see us doing better than GW, Duq, St Joe, Fordham, Bona and possibly URI, DC or UR.
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Post by calsufan on Sept 6, 2022 12:33:27 GMT -5
I think we finish above the Bonnies. I don’t think we’ll finish 8 at this point but we have a great coach for once. If the new foreign players can help a core of jig, Brantley, Nicelberry and the Drames and Shepperd can elevate his game I see us doing better than GW, Duq, St Joe, Fordham, Bona and possibly URI, DC or UR. Don't forget Gill. I expect him to make a jump. I don't think we'll be better than the Bonnies. If we are, I think that would put us in the middle of the pack.
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Post by a10champion15 on Sept 6, 2022 13:29:36 GMT -5
Also, picking La Salle and SJU 14th and 15th is accurate. From the outside, we've both lost talent. These kinds of rankings games will always say that teams "lost players X/Y/X" but never consider anything beyond missing points per game. St. Joe's got better when Daly left, but everyone worried "HOW WILL THEY REPLACE HIS SCORING". They also don't do any scouting about additions that aren't 3-4 stars on readily available recruiting websites. It's a lazy thing to put out there with no downside for being wrong. I'll wait til we get closer, but I think La Salle will be better than we expect. If the Euros are any good, the team should be better than the previous three years easily...at least I think so. Well they're preseason rankings so they don't mean much. I don't know if SJU is the best example as while they were able to make up for Daly's loss, given the talent, they missed the mark big time in terms of expectations. SJU roster leaves something to be desired and the coaching been atrocious so putting them at 15th makes sense. It's odd to me their focus has been on the 2023 recruiting class which is outstanding but that's their problem. I also think La Salle will be better than expected as well. While I think Moore a difficult player to replace, I'm not very worried about Clark (wish him the absolute best) as I rather give those minutes to Gill, Nickleberry, Brantley, Brickus, etc.. I'd imagine they fall somewhere in that 7th-12th range. I will say I think there is a little bit of laziness when it comes to freshmen recruits which is why I rather focus on what someone's returning or picked up via portal as opposed to what ranking some freshmen was. It's hard to fault him for being lazy on La Salle's front as there really isn't a whole lot of information on the euro recruits outside of maybe Rokas.
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Post by sweat83 on Sept 6, 2022 15:19:46 GMT -5
I think we finish above the Bonnies. I don’t think we’ll finish 8 at this point but we have a great coach for once. If the new foreign players can help a core of jig, Brantley, Nicelberry and the Drames and Shepperd can elevate his game I see us doing better than GW, Duq, St Joe, Fordham, Bona and possibly URI, DC or UR. Don't forget Gill. I expect him to make a jump. I don't think we'll be better than the Bonnies. If we are, I think that would put us in the middle of the pack. Gill is the best athlete on the team, in terms of strength, quickness and hustle. But he needs to improve his shot, and hold onto the ball better. That hopefully, can be corrected through coaching. Shepperd in the sleeper for me. When he was on the court last year, he had a nice shot selection, and a nice stroke. But at times, he looked a bit lost out there. Not unexpected since he was a true Freshman. Alot depends on how much work he put in during the off season.
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Post by 23won on Sept 7, 2022 6:22:05 GMT -5
I like Gill too but agree he has to improve his scoring; we will have some low scoring games with the core group I mentioned unless there are system/offensive surprises with Gill and some of the first year foreign players. Would love for that to happen but have watched enough La Salle basketball to not have outsized expectations.
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