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Post by explorerburger on Aug 24, 2022 12:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Aug 24, 2022 13:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 24, 2022 13:26:10 GMT -5
This year from the class of about 200, the numbers of graduates enrolling in LSU === ZERO. These young men are taking their athletic excellence, participation and academic achievement to some other college. Could mean nothing---may mean something. I was one of these people, but when I left La Salle High School (2004) the tuition was $8600. It is now $25,500. While I attended with a lot of kids from wealthy families, it was not a requirement at that time. Today, for kids that were firmly middle class like me (I don't know what the financial aid is like there anymore, but I did not qualify at the time), $25,500 is just out of reach for high school. Why do I bring this up? Because these kids are going to Villanova or the Ivies or any state school they want because money is less of an issue. Generally, if you were a good student at La Salle High, you'd get money at La Salle U and it would be easy to attend there. That is likely still the case, but the high school's demographics have changed. A friend of mine (fellow alum) has kids there and was at a parents' college night. The counselors listed La Salle U as a Tier 3 or Tier 4 school...meaning....they are actively steering kids toward "better schools". Being able to advertise their graduates going to Ivies and other top schools is better marketing for them unfortunately.
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Post by wistergym on Aug 24, 2022 13:55:11 GMT -5
This year from the class of about 200, the numbers of graduates enrolling in LSU === ZERO. These young men are taking their athletic excellence, participation and academic achievement to some other college. Could mean nothing---may mean something. I was one of these people, but when I left La Salle High School (2004) the tuition was $8600. It is now $25,500. While I attended with a lot of kids from wealthy families, it was not a requirement at that time. Today, for kids that were firmly middle class like me (I don't know what the financial aid is like there anymore, but I did not qualify at the time), $25,500 is just out of reach for high school. Why do I bring this up? Because these kids are going to Villanova or the Ivies or any state school they want because money is less of an issue. Generally, if you were a good student at La Salle High, you'd get money at La Salle U and it would be easy to attend there. That is likely still the case, but the high school's demographics have changed. Only posted this to note that the affinity, spirit and identity of LaSalle, like that for the three generations of my family who went there, forged a bond with all things LaSalle. Those bonds are gone and have not been replaced. For kids today looking for some extra high school time, it's now just another small, cheap school in a bad neighborhood. As noted--"We could go 30-0 and the current batch of students wouldn't know or care." Sports--the public face of a school--have been marginalized in favor of exercise and hobby sports. When your marque sport is women's water polo you're really not interested in attracting a following. I still get a season ticket because I'm a fossil who enjoys watching my school play. I'm am not beguiled into thinking that the student body or the general sporting public should give a crap
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 24, 2022 14:05:07 GMT -5
I was one of these people, but when I left La Salle High School (2004) the tuition was $8600. It is now $25,500. While I attended with a lot of kids from wealthy families, it was not a requirement at that time. Today, for kids that were firmly middle class like me (I don't know what the financial aid is like there anymore, but I did not qualify at the time), $25,500 is just out of reach for high school. Why do I bring this up? Because these kids are going to Villanova or the Ivies or any state school they want because money is less of an issue. Generally, if you were a good student at La Salle High, you'd get money at La Salle U and it would be easy to attend there. That is likely still the case, but the high school's demographics have changed. A friend of mine (fellow alum) has kids there and was at a parents' college night. The counselors listed La Salle U as a Tier 3 or Tier 4 school...meaning....they are actively steering kids toward "better schools". Being able to advertise their graduates going to Ivies and other top schools is better marketing for them unfortunately. Exactly. And if your pot of schools for non-athletics is a bunch of Ivies or schools like Villanova, it's an easy decision for a kid not attached to the university. I went to La Salle both because I had a lot of connections there and also because their running program was the best of the schools in my tier.
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Post by weston2 on Aug 24, 2022 16:44:33 GMT -5
This year from the class of about 200, the numbers of graduates enrolling in LSU === ZERO. These young men are taking their athletic excellence, participation and academic achievement to some other college. Could mean nothing---may mean something. I was one of these people, but when I left La Salle High School (2004) the tuition was $8600. It is now $25,500. While I attended with a lot of kids from wealthy families, it was not a requirement at that time. Today, for kids that were firmly middle class like me (I don't know what the financial aid is like there anymore, but I did not qualify at the time), $25,500 is just out of reach for high school. Why do I bring this up? Because these kids are going to Villanova or the Ivies or any state school they want because money is less of an issue. Generally, if you were a good student at La Salle High, you'd get money at La Salle U and it would be easy to attend there. That is likely still the case, but the high school's demographics have changed. Heck, I didn't go to LaSalle HS when the tuition went from something like $250 to $300 (back in the dark ages).....but I went to many Palestra doubleheaders.....$8,600 to $25,500. OMG......btw, the commute back then would have been a PIA. Probably went thru college for less than $8600. Ghost of Curt Fromal and Moose Markmann.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 24, 2022 16:53:16 GMT -5
I went to La Salle both because I had a lot of connections there and also because their running program was the best of the schools in my tier. I went because my guidance counselor / asst baseball coach got me out of a detention in exchange for meeting with the recruiter and then it met the criteria of (1) major city and (2) has D1 sports. Ironic given the discussion.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 24, 2022 16:54:25 GMT -5
And yet
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Post by wistergym on Aug 24, 2022 17:03:29 GMT -5
I was one of these people, but when I left La Salle High School (2004) the tuition was $8600. It is now $25,500. While I attended with a lot of kids from wealthy families, it was not a requirement at that time. Today, for kids that were firmly middle class like me (I don't know what the financial aid is like there anymore, but I did not qualify at the time), $25,500 is just out of reach for high school. Why do I bring this up? Because these kids are going to Villanova or the Ivies or any state school they want because money is less of an issue. Generally, if you were a good student at La Salle High, you'd get money at La Salle U and it would be easy to attend there. That is likely still the case, but the high school's demographics have changed. Heck, I didn't go to LaSalle HS when the tuition went from something like $250 to $300 (back in the dark ages).....but I went to many Palestra doubleheaders.....$8,600 to $25,500. OMG......btw, the commute back then would have been a PIA. Probably went thru college for less than $8600. Ghost of Curt Fromal and Moose Markmann.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 24, 2022 17:33:08 GMT -5
Which is why I said "if it sustains for several years" ... meaning...the K-8 gains translate to high school gains which hits the traditional target demographic for La Salle.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Aug 24, 2022 20:07:19 GMT -5
You know, if La Salle somehow became a very good program for a few years some non-la Salle people might become interested in going to highly anticipated games. IMO, this whole thread seems to be limited to students and alumni. In the Palestra days a substantial percentage of attendees were simply BB fans who wanted to see quality, competitive contests
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Post by luhoopsfan on Aug 24, 2022 22:05:42 GMT -5
LSCHS financial aid is very generous- the sticker price is high but there are plenty of traditional middle class kids there now. Almost. Everything that place does is top notch, especially events and recruiting young men while communicating with parents and alums. If those folks ran the university it would be an entirely different place.
My oldest is at the last school in the SEC to provide free tickets to all students for all sports including football. They are on a points system for student tickets for football that is based on attendance at other events. They had 5,000 people show up for a womens soccer game on a Thursday night. There’s an incentive program there naturally but it’s still a rewards program to get students out of their dorms.
More women are going to college than men nationally, a lot of it seems to be because more and more young men recognize that there are opportunities in the trades for those who don’t want to work at a desk where they can probably be making more money than their college-educated peers and have less debt. Even if it’s the same income, if it comes with a lower investment, it doesn’t always make sense to go to college. Some of the wealthiest people I know that aren’t lawyers or doctors make a living outside and couldn’t be happier. It’s hard work for sure and it’s even harder when your 50+ than when your 25 obviously, so sustaining the income is a concern.
How this impacts a place like La Salle basketball attendance, if it’s not “cool” to go to games at La Salle, the kids aren’t going, especially at a female-dominated university. The game needs to be an event or feel like an event that can’t be missed. I’ve said for years, Saturday 2:00 PM games - unless TV dictates - are absolutely bonehead decisions for start times. Every Saturday game should be 7:00 PM or later, maybe even 6:00. Give the kids a way to start their night on Saturday and make it like a party and they will come out. Play the music they like, put a good product on the floor and make it about the student body, not the white-haired alums. Those guys will put up with “crappy” music if the team is good. More importantly- it develops the student body bond with the school while they are enrolled, which leads to better alumni engagement. You don’t cultivate alumni engagement after they are gone if the students never felt bonded to the school.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 25, 2022 1:48:17 GMT -5
LSCHS financial aid is very generous- the sticker price is high but there are plenty of traditional middle class kids there now. Almost. Everything that place does is top notch, especially events and recruiting young men while communicating with parents and alums. If those folks ran the university it would be an entirely different place. My education there formed me more than anything else, for sure, and the people that at least ran the place then were always excellent. But they’re an elite, mostly white, mostly wealthy high school on 100+ acres in Springfield PA…not an urban, diverse university with many poor students in the middle of North Philadelphia.
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Post by 1801olney on Aug 25, 2022 9:28:57 GMT -5
LSCHS financial aid is very generous- the sticker price is high but there are plenty of traditional middle class kids there now. LOL.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Aug 25, 2022 9:45:33 GMT -5
LSCHS financial aid is very generous- the sticker price is high but there are plenty of traditional middle class kids there now. LOL. I’m speaking from current, 1st-hand experience. Not sure what is inaccurate.
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Post by 1801olney on Aug 25, 2022 9:50:12 GMT -5
I’m speaking from current, 1st-hand experience. Not sure what is inaccurate. What percentage of current students are Philadelphia residents?
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Post by hoopsguest on Aug 25, 2022 9:52:28 GMT -5
I’ve worked at schools. I’ve been to plenty of college nights. I’ve worked private and publics. Never seen a guidance department order colleges by tier. That’s BS. Had I seen that guidance would have had to deal with me - even if La Salle was tier 1. Who is a guidance counselor to rank a school? A school should be picked based on needs. If you want to be a lawyer the Ivy is a better choice in all likelihood but if you want nursing La Salle is a far better choice
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 25, 2022 10:03:53 GMT -5
I’ve worked at schools. I’ve been to plenty of college nights. I’ve worked private and publics. Never seen a guidance department order colleges by tier. That’s BS. Had I seen that guidance would have had to deal with me - even if La Salle was tier 1. Who is a guidance counselor to rank a school? A school should be picked based on needs. If you want to be a lawyer the Ivy is a better choice in all likelihood but if you want nursing La Salle is a far better choice From their website in the college counseling section www.lschs.org/academics/college-counseling/overviewOur graduates enroll in some of the most prestigious colleges and universities around the world. This is just a small sample of where La Salle graduates continued their educational path.Then they proceed to scroll through the following schools: Penn, University of Chicago, Virginia, Texas, Michigan, Penn State, Lehigh, Stanford, Princeton, NYU, Northwestern, Naval Academy, Georgia Tech, Villanova, and Morehouse College (I guess to get diversity points in their marketing). No mention of La Salle University. Not even a single Christian Brothers school listed, and only one Catholic school. Looking at their college reps visits calendar, no one from La Salle University is even scheduled to be there yet in September or October (other A10 schools are there): www.lschs.org/academics/college-counseling/calendar?cal_date=2022-09-01Their senior parents college night is September 7th. Maybe someone can give us a tiering report.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Aug 25, 2022 10:53:23 GMT -5
LSCHS financial aid is very generous- the sticker price is high but there are plenty of traditional middle class kids there now. Almost. Everything that place does is top notch, especially events and recruiting young men while communicating with parents and alums. If those folks ran the university it would be an entirely different place. My oldest is at the last school in the SEC to provide free tickets to all students for all sports including football. They are on a points system for student tickets for football that is based on attendance at other events. They had 5,000 people show up for a womens soccer game on a Thursday night. There’s an incentive program there naturally but it’s still a rewards program to get students out of their dorms. More women are going to college than men nationally, a lot of it seems to be because more and more young men recognize that there are opportunities in the trades for those who don’t want to work at a desk where they can probably be making more money than their college-educated peers and have less debt. Even if it’s the same income, if it comes with a lower investment, it doesn’t always make sense to go to college. Some of the wealthiest people I know that aren’t lawyers or doctors make a living outside and couldn’t be happier. It’s hard work for sure and it’s even harder when your 50+ than when your 25 obviously, so sustaining the income is a concern. How this impacts a place like La Salle basketball attendance, if it’s not “cool” to go to games at La Salle, the kids aren’t going, especially at a female-dominated university. The game needs to be an event or feel like an event that can’t be missed. I’ve said for years, Saturday 2:00 PM games - unless TV dictates - are absolutely bonehead decisions for start times. Every Saturday game should be 7:00 PM or later, maybe even 6:00. Give the kids a way to start their night on Saturday and make it like a party and they will come out. Play the music they like, put a good product on the floor and make it about the student body, not the white-haired alums. Those guys will put up with “crappy” music if the team is good. More importantly- it develops the student body bond with the school while they are enrolled, which leads to better alumni engagement. You don’t cultivate alumni engagement after they are gone if the students never felt bonded to the school. Agree with Saturday afternoon games, they are brutal. 7 PM or 8 PM Saturday night, start the night off right.
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Post by 23won on Aug 25, 2022 10:58:21 GMT -5
On the female / male ratio... years ago at an alumni board meeting there was a discussion about this and Admissions had done some surveys and follow-ups on people who had chosen not to come to La Salle, along with looking at some other academic research on how students make decisions about college choices.. One of the findings surprised me a bit... Mothers generally had more significant influence over where their sons enrolled than fathers, and fathers generally had more significant influence over where their daughters enrolled than mothers. (I'm not saying this is absolute, but these were aggregate findings). Where is this relevant? Mothers had more concern about their sons being in an area like 20th and Olney, wandering around by themselves, being reckless, etc. and encouraged their sons to look elsewhere. In contrast, fathers had more of a "she'll be fine attitude"..."She always is with people not by herself"..."She'll grow there and learn more about the real world"...etc. and dissuaded their daughters less from being in that environment. This would suggest that schools in "bad areas" would have a higher female to male ratio. Looking at a comparator just down the street, Temple is 45% male and 55% female. I wish I had access to the research and notes because I'm sure it would be an interesting read, but I remember all this was verbally discussed by Admissions at an Alumni Board meeting. Pretty interesting PoA. I'd see some fathers saying NFW my daughter goes there and some Moms doing the same, but if the numbers bear out, so be it. IMO, the biggest factor hurting La Salle enrollment is that core students within 20 minutes of campus are not really signing up to go here. That has been a big problem. Most are willing to go to Temple and pay less or go to PSU (even if Abington first then main campus) or other schools. The old Catholic League north feeder schools have relatively little impact as you're more likely to see kids from places 1-2/5 hours away (like in NJ) attending IMO.
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Post by 23won on Aug 25, 2022 11:05:38 GMT -5
This year from the class of about 200, the numbers of graduates enrolling in LSU === ZERO. These young men are taking their athletic excellence, participation and academic achievement to some other college. Could mean nothing---may mean something. I was one of these people, but when I left La Salle High School (2004) the tuition was $8600. It is now $25,500. While I attended with a lot of kids from wealthy families, it was not a requirement at that time. Today, for kids that were firmly middle class like me (I don't know what the financial aid is like there anymore, but I did not qualify at the time), $25,500 is out of reach for high school. Why do I bring this up? Because these kids are going to Villanova or the Ivies or any state school they want because money is less of an issue. Generally, if you were a good student at La Salle High, you'd get money at La Salle U and it would be easy to attend there. That is likely still the case, but the high school's demographics have changed. LSCHS doesn't do well with Ivies or Nova based on what I've seen. A couple kids get in there and in places like G'town and ND but not in big numbers. More are prone to go to Bucknell, Loyola, Fairfield. I think the default backup is St Joe, not La Salle. Kids whose parents spent 100K putting them through LSCHS don't even consider La Salle U for the most part; a scholarship or strong alumni bonds will help. The tuition reset and lowering of scholarship $ awarded in my view has made students focus on the other schools above, Temple or PSU. IMO, the reset was an utter failure.
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Post by hoopsguest on Aug 25, 2022 12:03:36 GMT -5
I’ve worked at schools. I’ve been to plenty of college nights. I’ve worked private and publics. Never seen a guidance department order colleges by tier. That’s BS. Had I seen that guidance would have had to deal with me - even if La Salle was tier 1. Who is a guidance counselor to rank a school? A school should be picked based on needs. If you want to be a lawyer the Ivy is a better choice in all likelihood but if you want nursing La Salle is a far better choice From their website in the college counseling section www.lschs.org/academics/college-counseling/overviewOur graduates enroll in some of the most prestigious colleges and universities around the world. This is just a small sample of where La Salle graduates continued their educational path.Then they proceed to scroll through the following schools: Penn, University of Chicago, Virginia, Texas, Michigan, Penn State, Lehigh, Stanford, Princeton, NYU, Northwestern, Naval Academy, Georgia Tech, Villanova, and Morehouse College (I guess to get diversity points in their marketing). No mention of La Salle University. Not even a single Christian Brothers school listed, and only one Catholic school. Looking at their college reps visits calendar, no one from La Salle University is even scheduled to be there yet in September or October (other A10 schools are there): www.lschs.org/academics/college-counseling/calendar?cal_date=2022-09-01Their senior parents college night is September 7th. Maybe someone can give us a tiering report. La Salle University not being there in September or October could be a La Salle University issue not a La Salle College HS issue. To be fair. Maybe our admissions department is the issue in that regard. Even if the HS hasn’t been welcoming push your way in
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 25, 2022 12:42:23 GMT -5
Agree with Saturday afternoon games, they are brutal. 7 PM or 8 PM Saturday night, start the night off right. If the primary goal is to get students to games, the afternoons will be better.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 25, 2022 12:43:35 GMT -5
I was one of these people, but when I left La Salle High School (2004) the tuition was $8600. It is now $25,500. While I attended with a lot of kids from wealthy families, it was not a requirement at that time. Today, for kids that were firmly middle class like me (I don't know what the financial aid is like there anymore, but I did not qualify at the time), $25,500 is out of reach for high school. Why do I bring this up? Because these kids are going to Villanova or the Ivies or any state school they want because money is less of an issue. Generally, if you were a good student at La Salle High, you'd get money at La Salle U and it would be easy to attend there. That is likely still the case, but the high school's demographics have changed. LSCHS doesn't do well with Ivies or Nova based on what I've seen. This was wrong when I was there. I was friends with two kids that went to Nova and a handful more that went to ivies. But we did have 20+ kids go to La Salle from my graduating class of 225ish.
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Post by 23won on Aug 25, 2022 13:00:23 GMT -5
LSCHS doesn't do well with Ivies or Nova based on what I've seen. This was wrong when I was there. I was friends with two kids that went to Nova and a handful more that went to ivies. But we did have 20+ kids go to La Salle from my graduating class of 225ish. I have more recent experience with my sons. It is way different now than 2004. Jay winning two 'ships has made it far tougher to get in at Nova. Nova is way more competitive and the LSCHS counselors actually discourage kids from applying there because they don't want their % of apps accepted stat to be bad. Gotta watch the guidance counselors there or any other school. The stats for admission of non-athletes are really tough (low) at Ivy and Ivy caliber schools. I'd bet a lot of the premiere college names listed are made up of LSCHS kids who were very good students but who are excellent athletes. LSCHS is now a school of mostly one sport athletes who train year around in one sport as a specialty. A lot of these types of kids get into these Ivy schools to row, swim, wrestle, lax or specialize in sports other than Football, basketball and baseball. Oddly enough, SEC school academic scholarship offers at LSCHS are high and a big number of kids go to SEC schools, which you probably didn't see when you were there in '04.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 25, 2022 13:23:55 GMT -5
This was wrong when I was there. I was friends with two kids that went to Nova and a handful more that went to ivies. But we did have 20+ kids go to La Salle from my graduating class of 225ish. Oddly enough, SEC school academic scholarship offers at LSCHS are high and a big number of kids go to SEC schools, which you probably didn't see when you were there in '04. I don't know if I could tell you one person I knew that went to an SEC school. I ran in the "runners" crowd though and we were a different breed.
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Post by 23won on Aug 25, 2022 14:11:42 GMT -5
Oddly enough, SEC school academic scholarship offers at LSCHS are high and a big number of kids go to SEC schools, which you probably didn't see when you were there in '04. I don't know if I could tell you one person I knew that went to an SEC school. I ran in the "runners" crowd though and we were a different breed. A friend's son at LSCHS got a full ride offer to study Chemical engineering at So Carolina. Don't think that kid ever played a sport. Things change quickly.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Aug 25, 2022 21:11:59 GMT -5
Holy f*$%!!! Fans, a goal, a celebration!!!! Brilliant putting those bleachers in
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Post by hykos1045 on Aug 26, 2022 6:17:08 GMT -5
We've been literally begging students to go to games for years so that part isn't new. I am going to take the opposite tack of this highly politically motivated and personalized attack and just want to applaud our school for going after some low hanging fruit.
As for the female male ratio referenced at both here and Temple, Penn is also 54/46 and they're highly selective. Data also suggests that the applicant pool is skewed female at most schools, though maybe not quite to the same extent seen here now. Seems that cutting football and baseball have only contributed to this trend. More and more men are going to trade schools or directly into the workforce, putting off college, or pursuing an associates. With rising costs of living and schooling, it makes sense. I'd hoped the tuition reset would address this more noticeably and lead to more applicants, but the cost of going to school doesn't appear to give all parents sticker shock. I'd swear there's a contingent of parents that still wants to send their kid to the most expensive school he or she could get into.
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Post by 1801olney on Aug 26, 2022 8:26:48 GMT -5
Holy f*$%!!! Fans, a goal, a celebration!!!! Brilliant putting those bleachers in Great idea. Is the womens team supposed to be good this year? Probably looking at hykos for the answer. It was fun following their NCAA run years back and another one would go a long way to bringing that student support momentum into basketball season.
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