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Post by dlasly62 on Jul 28, 2022 14:44:47 GMT -5
So what do you philly guys think about?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 28, 2022 20:12:38 GMT -5
Love it. Will likely never happen.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 28, 2022 20:38:06 GMT -5
Still wondering where innocent, fresh-faced 18 year-olds from NY go to get their ear pierced since The Gallery has been gone.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 28, 2022 20:46:57 GMT -5
Deep cut ⬆️
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jul 29, 2022 7:57:18 GMT -5
I just hope they have seats behind the basket
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Post by 1801olney on Jul 29, 2022 14:43:40 GMT -5
I think the best place for it is down by the rest of the stadiums. Despite what millennials seem to think, suburban people aren’t getting on the R-whatever or patco. A lot depends on the next mayoral election. If Domb, or Rhynhart or someone else wins, there’s a chance it could go there. If Gym or one of the progressives wins, no chance
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Post by dlasly62 on Jul 29, 2022 15:52:59 GMT -5
Love it. Will likely never happen. Why won't it happed?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 30, 2022 3:55:20 GMT -5
I think the best place for it is down by the rest of the stadiums. Despite what millennials seem to think, suburban people aren’t getting on the R-whatever or patco.l This is the reason I want it. Can’t get to the games now without a train ride then a subway ride.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 30, 2022 3:56:12 GMT -5
Love it. Will likely never happen. Why won't it happed? Politics. Anger from nearby residents. Public transportation infrastructure.
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Post by glorydays on Aug 1, 2022 11:58:58 GMT -5
What would Ed Rendell do?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 12:01:41 GMT -5
What would Ed Rendell do? I think he's wanted all stadiums in center city. Seem to remember him running political point when Temple wanted to do their on-campus stadium a couple years back.
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Post by coqui900 on Aug 1, 2022 13:44:11 GMT -5
I absolutely do not want this to happen.
1) It's going to be a disaster to build. Philly sucks with construction right now. It's going to completely disrupt getting around that part of the city, which is already hard to get around because of City Hall and just congestion in general.
2) I live a few blocks away from a train station on the Manayunk-Norristown line. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind this project is going to mess up train scheduling and etc.
3) There's no parking in Center City for events that bring people in pretty regularly. I'd imagine that on top of basketball games and possibly the Flyers they also will have big concerts. Going to anywhere in Center City on the night of a game or concert is going to suck. I probably won't go to Center City during those nights.
4) Parking is going to be a mess near train stations -- i.e., my block. Hard pass.
5) It might mess up Chinatown.
6) The stadium complex area is perfectly fine right where it is. Easy to get in and out. There's a subway station if you're so inclined.
7) At least a baseball stadium can add to or reflect the architecture of a downtown. Camden Yards looks awesome and is part of the fabric of Baltimore. Pittsburgh's stadium is the same way. When did anyone ever walk past an arena in a downtown area and say "Oh, wow, what a beautiful exterior of a building, I love the giant tarps with Nikola Vucevic's face draping down and the neon lighting, it's a gem."?
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Post by calsufan on Aug 1, 2022 14:00:23 GMT -5
I agree with coqui900, putting this downtown would be an unmitigated disaster. The disruption to Center City without any good parking solutions (existing parking wouldn't be able to handle a stadium and regular visitors, not to mention the added traffic on already congested streets.). Why exactly do they need to move out of Wells Fargo? Why not refurb that instead? And they sure as hell better not be looking for any public dollars for this if they go ahead with their plan.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 14:09:21 GMT -5
I absolutely do not want this to happen. 1) It's going to be a disaster to build. Philly sucks with construction right now. It's going to completely disrupt getting around that part of the city, which is already hard to get around because of City Hall and just congestion in general. 2) I live a few blocks away from a train station on the Manayunk-Norristown line. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind this project is going to mess up train scheduling and etc.
3) There's no parking in Center City for events that bring people in pretty regularly. I'd imagine that on top of basketball games and possibly the Flyers they also will have big concerts. Going to anywhere in Center City on the night of a game or concert is going to suck. I probably won't go to Center City during those nights.4) Parking is going to be a mess near train stations -- i.e., my block. Hard pass. 5) It might mess up Chinatown. 6) The stadium complex area is perfectly fine right where it is. Easy to get in and out. There's a subway station if you're so inclined. 7) At least a baseball stadium can add to or reflect the architecture of a downtown. Camden Yards looks awesome and is part of the fabric of Baltimore. Pittsburgh's stadium is the same way. When did anyone ever walk past an arena in a downtown area and say "Oh, wow, what a beautiful exterior of a building, I love the giant tarps with Nikola Vucevic's face draping down and the neon lighting, it's a gem."? The red above is just you assuming the worst. The Flyers aren't going to move there, they own the Wells Fargo Center. I'm sorry you live near a train station that more people might use. Public transportation should be 100x more used than it is right now. It is not easy to get in and out of the stadium complex. It is actually very difficult to do so because there are two main arteries accessed off of Broad that immediately becomes gridlock for two hours. And the subway station you speak of? For those of us that don't live on the BSL, it is a train ride and then a walk and then a subway ride to get 1 mile away from the Wells Fargo Center. That is not a good experience. Nobody complains about Madison Square Garden. Plopped right in one of the most busy parts of the entire world. Philadelphia's handling of stadiums has historically be terrible. I wish they built the ballpark in the city. I was hoping they would have picked the spot on Cheltenham Ave in the very north part.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 14:12:16 GMT -5
I agree with coqui900, putting this downtown would be an unmitigated disaster. The disruption to Center City without any good parking solutions (existing parking wouldn't be able to handle a stadium and regular visitors, not to mention the added traffic on already congested streets.). Why exactly do they need to move out of Wells Fargo? Why not refurb that instead? And they sure as hell better not be looking for any public dollars for this if they go ahead with their plan. They don't own the building. Comcast owns the building and charges rent and has not held up their end of keeping it up to date. The building stinks for basketball, always too cold and the constant flipping of the floors has made it unsafe at times. And in terms of parking...where could we ever find parking! The proposed spot has 29 enclosed parking garages within 1 mile.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 1, 2022 14:21:41 GMT -5
Nobody complains about Madison Square Garden. Plopped right in one of the most busy parts of the entire world. Because driving there is the exception, not the rule, and we're so averse here to forcing people to leave their cars.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 14:23:25 GMT -5
Nobody complains about Madison Square Garden. Plopped right in one of the most busy parts of the entire world. Because driving there is the exception, not the rule Exactly. That's what I want.
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Post by calsufan on Aug 1, 2022 14:54:17 GMT -5
I agree with coqui900, putting this downtown would be an unmitigated disaster. The disruption to Center City without any good parking solutions (existing parking wouldn't be able to handle a stadium and regular visitors, not to mention the added traffic on already congested streets.). Why exactly do they need to move out of Wells Fargo? Why not refurb that instead? And they sure as hell better not be looking for any public dollars for this if they go ahead with their plan. They don't own the building. Comcast owns the building and charges rent and has not held up their end of keeping it up to date. The building stinks for basketball, always too cold and the constant flipping of the floors has made it unsafe at times. And in terms of parking...where could we ever find parking! The proposed spot has 29 enclosed parking garages within 1 mile. Within a mile. Bit of a walk if it's a mile away. And as I mentioned in my first post, the existing parking is for existing needs. As far as MSG, they have the rail system running right under the Garden. What would they have? The PATCO line and that's it. The location is bad, period.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 15:12:00 GMT -5
The proposed location is going to sit on on Jefferson Station which is a touchpoint for all SEPTA regional rail and has a Patco line going right there. The Market Frankfort line terminates right there. There are four BSL stops within .8 miles of the proposed location (closest is .25).
And the walk from ATT Station to Wells Fargo front door? .6 miles. The walk from some of the used lots for events to Wells Fargo front door? .75 miles.
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Post by coqui900 on Aug 1, 2022 15:18:18 GMT -5
I complain about Madison Square Garden. It's right on top of Penn Station, which is the worst.
I've had a bunch of jobs where I've had to commute in and out of Penn Station regularly. It's bad enough under normal conditions but if there's a big game or concert it just becomes that much worse to navigate. I've done many a NJ Transit train headed back to North Jersey right after a Rangers game or what have you and it's brutal.
Madison Square Garden has also been where it's located for decades. Manhattan is a completely different beast than Philadelphia.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 15:19:01 GMT -5
Manhattan is a completely different beast than Philadelphia. Would love for you to extrapolate that
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Post by coqui900 on Aug 1, 2022 15:22:58 GMT -5
The NYC area also has a significantly bigger mass transit presence than Philly. There's the NYC subway system, NJ Transit, PATH, the LIRR, MetroNorth and if you want to count Amtrak. I grew up in North Jersey and there were probably 10 train stations within a 20 minute drive of my house.
Philly has two subways lines. That's it. The subways don't go to a lot of the city. We have regional rails that run once or twice an hour during peak time periods. There aren't nearly as many train lines. On my train line, there's no big parking presence for probably seven of the 10 or so stops.
This is going to be on top of Jeff Station and it's going to cause a ton of problems at Jeff Station in the years it is built. I'm highly confident this is going to hugely disrupt a lot of lives.
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Post by coqui900 on Aug 1, 2022 15:23:26 GMT -5
Manhattan is a completely different beast than Philadelphia. Would love for you to extrapolate that Have you been to Manhattan?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 16:36:42 GMT -5
Yeah a bunch of times. I just want to understand that statement’s context in this argument.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 1, 2022 17:06:12 GMT -5
I’m not going to wade into the Philly specific aspects of this since I’m not knowledgeable enough, but Boston and DC both also have NBA arenas in downtown type areas. Is the argument here that Philly public transit is just that much worse than any other Northeastern city and that all arenas need to be down in the complex where driving is the main option?
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Post by nyalum on Aug 1, 2022 17:07:20 GMT -5
The public transportation to Penn Station and MSG is about to be improved with the LIRR East Side Access project completion at the end of this year. Tens of thousands of LIRR commuters will be able to go to Grand Central Terminal directly, alleviating a ton of congestion at Penn, MSG and Manhattan's West Side.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Aug 1, 2022 17:51:14 GMT -5
Comcast owns the building and charges rent and has not held up their end of keeping it up to date. The building stinks for basketball, always too cold and the constant flipping of the floors has made it unsafe at times. They re-did a ton of the seating and suite levels over the last couple of years, and are doing more of that this summer. Got a huge new scoreboard too. What else do you need? I'm guessing the locker rooms are on the list of things to upgrade too.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 18:36:43 GMT -5
The suite improvements were hockey focused. They added a standing room only spot at the top level which makes it really hard to watch a basketball game. The concessions are garbage. Everything is old.
This isn’t just me saying this. This is reporters and players and staff and other fans.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 1, 2022 18:39:16 GMT -5
I’m not going to wade into the Philly specific aspects of this since I’m not knowledgeable enough, but Boston and DC both also have NBA arenas in downtown type areas. Is the argument here that Philly public transit is just that much worse than any other Northeastern city and that all arenas need to be down in the complex where driving is the main option? I don’t ride as much as I used to but my problems with septa was always busses and never the subway or RR. The subways are dirty, but the center city stops are fine. DC’s metro is great, but there’s nothing stopping anyone from riding SEPTA unless you’re a lady alone at night. Wouldnt do that anywhere though.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 2, 2022 8:17:57 GMT -5
I can't imagine much has changed so I'm thinking the answer is "yes, Philadelphia PT is pretty awful compared to the other major northeast cities".
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