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Post by explorerburger on Jun 16, 2022 12:27:57 GMT -5
Useless and predictable thread. Nice job, all.
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Post by wistergym on Jun 16, 2022 13:06:09 GMT -5
Useless and predictable thread. Nice job, all. No harm in having a little banter now and then. In the absence of any real news about MBB why not have a few chuckles?
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Post by lincoln on Jun 16, 2022 22:18:59 GMT -5
God DAMMIT there is absolutely nothing I care more about than mascot names at universities I didn't attend! This will ruin my entire life! Ah yes! Another member of the "Ah, who gives a shit?" crowd who fails recognize the deeper issues at stake here when something like this happens. (Like leadership that will bend whichever way the public opinion breeze is blowing. Like mob mentality bullying its way to change. Etc.) People like this feel like they're demonstrating some sort of superiority over people who actually care. When it finally affects them, that's when they react and it's too late.
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Post by hykos1045 on Jun 17, 2022 2:13:57 GMT -5
MisterD is the sincerest form of irrelevance . And yet you feel the need to post. ~Anonymous
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Post by hykos1045 on Jun 17, 2022 2:23:06 GMT -5
(Redacted my post... I don't know what any of this has to do with basketball... fortunately, there's an Off topic / womens sports forum for such!)
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jun 17, 2022 10:57:42 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/george-washington-university-to-drop-colonials-nickname-over-division-201508478.htmlWhy 'Hippos' could be the new George Washington nicknameThe 2018 petition mentioned "Hippos" and "Riverhorses" as potential nicknames.
The former comes from a bronze hippopotamus statue purchased by then-GW president Stephen Trachtenberg at an antique store and installed on campus as a gift to the class of 2000. The statue has since become a new campus tradition, with students rubbing its head or putting coins in its mouth for good luck.
It has even involved into an unofficial mascot, with a student attending games in an inflated hippo costume, according to the school. That recent history could give the nickname an inside track as a replacement, especially among the student body.Also..the comments are a fun read after the article.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 17, 2022 11:00:56 GMT -5
Ah yes! Another member of the "Ah, who gives a shit?" crowd who fails recognize the deeper issues at stake here when something like this happens. (Like leadership that will bend whichever way the public opinion breeze is blowing. Like mob mentality bullying its way to change. Etc.) People like this feel like they're demonstrating some sort of superiority over people who actually care. When it finally affects them, that's when they react and it's too late. No way, man, I'm 100% on your side. I wish everything could be like it was back in the good ol' days of the 1800s too.
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Post by explorer88 on Jun 17, 2022 11:02:58 GMT -5
The comments are priceless. GW Wokers is the first comment.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 17, 2022 11:21:52 GMT -5
Hell yes, we've got "Coach" Lonergan on our side! Time to quit this fight and join the winning team, wokers!
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Post by ltrain38 on Jun 17, 2022 12:52:37 GMT -5
God DAMMIT there is absolutely nothing I care more about than mascot names at universities I didn't attend! This will ruin my entire life! Ah yes! Another member of the "Ah, who gives a shit?" crowd who fails recognize the deeper issues at stake here when something like this happens. (Like leadership that will bend whichever way the public opinion breeze is blowing. Like mob mentality bullying its way to change. Etc.) People like this feel like they're demonstrating some sort of superiority over people who actually care. When it finally affects them, that's when they react and it's too late. I want you to be really honest with me here: have you actually considered what the position of the people who aren't worried about it think? Do you believe you could realistically characterize our position? My guess is no, so I'll explain at least where I'm coming from on this. Would I change the name of the team from Colonials? No, I don't think I would. But I see two issues here: 1) The fact that college students are being overzealous while trying out ideas/activism is neither surprising nor interesting. I believed a lot of genuinely ridiculous nonsense at that age and was willing to tell anyone willing to listen and many who weren't. I am far more concerned about shining undue attention on their ideas than the ideas themselves. Now, I do think it's probably unnecessary to change the name of the team to meet the demands of probably a small percentage of the student body, except: 2) We have fundamentally remade our universities to a model where students are customers, rather than students. In many universities (thankfully not the one I teach at now where I'm well supported as faculty, but some where I worked in the past), students can go over faculty's heads to appeal grades they don't like, often bringing their parents into it. I was harassed by an entitled parent over a plagiarism case in which the kid was 100% guilty. "Student life" and the "college experience" drive rising costs and receive most of the funding. Hire administrators but never faculty. These are all part of the same problem - for many, the university is a consumer good now and a lifestyle brand more than an education. And if that's the model, then I'm sorry, but angry customers get to rename the team. I'd love to fix that problem and change that culture, but I really don't think that's the conversation we're having.
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Post by wistergym on Jun 18, 2022 8:33:53 GMT -5
Ah yes! Another member of the "Ah, who gives a shit?" crowd who fails recognize the deeper issues at stake here when something like this happens. (Like leadership that will bend whichever way the public opinion breeze is blowing. Like mob mentality bullying its way to change. Etc.) People like this feel like they're demonstrating some sort of superiority over people who actually care. When it finally affects them, that's when they react and it's too late. I want you to be really honest with me here: have you actually considered what the position of the people who aren't worried about it think? Do you believe you could realistically characterize our position? My guess is no, so I'll explain at least where I'm coming from on this. Would I change the name of the team from Colonials? No, I don't think I would. But I see two issues here: 1) The fact that college students are being overzealous while trying out ideas/activism is neither surprising nor interesting. I believed a lot of genuinely ridiculous nonsense at that age and was willing to tell anyone willing to listen and many who weren't. I am far more concerned about shining undue attention on their ideas than the ideas themselves. Now, I do think it's probably unnecessary to change the name of the team to meet the demands of probably a small percentage of the student body, except: 2) We have fundamentally remade our universities to a model where students are customers, rather than students. In many universities (thankfully not the one I teach at now where I'm well supported as faculty, but some where I worked in the past), students can go over faculty's heads to appeal grades they don't like, often bringing their parents into it. I was harassed by an entitled parent over a plagiarism case in which the kid was 100% guilty. "Student life" and the "college experience" drive rising costs and receive most of the funding. Hire administrators but never faculty. These are all part of the same problem - for many, the university is a consumer good now and a lifestyle brand more than an education. And if that's the model, then I'm sorry, but angry customers get to rename the team. I'd love to fix that problem and change that culture, but I really don't think that's the conversation we're having. The paradigm has shifted. Overpaid Suits -- Entitled children. Politicians -- Bureaucrats. They're all pigs at the trough. Don't bother talking about changing the culture. When politicians vote for term limits, you'll know things are changing. Until then. there'll just be more of this:
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jun 18, 2022 11:26:34 GMT -5
This moved from main board. We were good for a little while but some people push it too far for the main board. They should change all the names.
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Post by glorydays on Jun 24, 2022 9:48:13 GMT -5
Got me on that one, Joe. Should the posters change their names? Or should or should all of the schools change their names? I still love the names “Fighting Irish” and Explorers….
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Post by hykos1045 on Jun 24, 2022 10:57:25 GMT -5
The naysayers, those who are comparing this renaming event or any other "slippery slope" are not being logical, they're instead being manipulative of written history. Historian logic would actually dictate quite differently than the vibes I'm seeing laid out by some here. According to the GW source, Washington himself denounced the term "colonials" as part of British influence. I invite naysayers to inform themselves of their sources, to perhaps bring a more reputable source that presents itself logically. It appears more of us than I'd realized may have slept through our philosophy courses at La Salle, but when I woke up, I at least remembered who/what/where I was!
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