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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 24, 2021 16:33:17 GMT -5
Cherry-picking the Douglas debates of 1858 when he was backed into a corner and worrying about alienating Northern Democrats is an interesting approach to furthering your narrative as "fact". I know this approach was popularized by journalist Lerone Bennett, Jr. in 1968 as a way of showing Lincoln as a white supremacist, but it has been repeatedly, in academic literature, been shown to be a point-in-time statement and not consistent with his actions and writings. Perhaps you should look at some of his later writings and speeches from 1862 onward. Lincoln knew he couldn't snap his fingers and change years of prejudice, but was smart enough to advocate for a gradual approach to reaching the goal. Context is important here, Del. He was neither 100% the saintly emancipator, nor the 100% racist/white supremacist you make him out to be through cherry picking a debate comment. He was a man who recognized he needed to be IN the system to reform it, not outside it, and he worked to ensure he would be part of that system in ultimately bringing reform. I know I'm not going to change your mind because you pick and choose things that fit your narrative, so yes...we disagree. Context is important though, as is understanding how to get things done to reach an end goal.
Lincoln actually says I am a white supremacist... He deals directly with his position on the question at hand...
You say I "cherry picked"...
...and I do understand the context... A racist/white supremacist social order in the United States, with formal democratic procedures in place for white males.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 24, 2021 18:07:52 GMT -5
Oh boy. What a shit thread this has become.
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 24, 2021 18:19:55 GMT -5
... just sayin' : 1. ( February 24, 2020 ) University of Pennsylvania took in $258 million in foreign donations from Countries like China and Saudi Arabia between 2013 and 2019.inquirer.com/business/university-pennsylvania-foreign-donations-china-saudi-arabia-20200224.htmlLetter to Dr. Amy Gutmann, President, University of Pennsylvania -- ( January 27, 2021 ) republicans-oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Letter-to-Penn-Re.-Biden-Center-China.pdf2. ( 2017 ) U of P / Amy Gutmann created a $400,000 + annual salary position ( ' sinecure ' ? ) at Penn ( " Benjamin Franklin Presidential Practice Professor " / " The Biden Center " ) for Joe Biden in 2017 after the Obama Presidency ended ; UPenn Biden Center -- Rand Construction Corporation randcc.com/projects/upenn-biden-center/ 3. ( July 12, 2019 ) Penn has paid Joe Biden more than $900K since he left the White House. What did he do to earn the money ?www.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-penn-salary-lectures-20190712.html 4. ( June 29, 2021 ) German news report : Penn President Amy Gutmann will be next U.S. Ambassador to Germany www.inquirer.com/news/amy-gutmann-penn-germany-ambassador-biden-20210629.html ( November 3, 2021 ) Senate confirm's Biden nomination of David L. Cohen, former Chair of University of Pennsylvania Board of Trustees, as U.S. Ambassador to Canada www.thedp.com/article/2021/11/david-cohen-confirmed-ambassador-canada-biden-administration5. Pay Back ? Mere Series of Unrelated Coincidences ? Ancient proverb : " If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, has webbed feet and goes ' quack - quack ' ... it's probably a duck. "
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 24, 2021 18:36:15 GMT -5
If you read the first article above, the conclusion is basically that there’s nothing to see here, it’s not that rare for people in positions like his to secure roles like that and it was a rounding error on Penn’s operating budget. Regarding Gutmann, her father’s Orthodox Jewish family fled Germany as WW2 got started. She has a degree and doctorate from Harvard and an mba from the London school of Economics. She was an obscenely successful president at Penn. She has also spoken about how her father’s experience in Germany was influential in her life…in 2011. Quack, I guess?
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Post by coachd on Nov 30, 2021 12:35:56 GMT -5
Cherry-picking the Douglas debates of 1858 when he was backed into a corner and worrying about alienating Northern Democrats is an interesting approach to furthering your narrative as "fact". I know this approach was popularized by journalist Lerone Bennett, Jr. in 1968 as a way of showing Lincoln as a white supremacist, but it has been repeatedly, in academic literature, been shown to be a point-in-time statement and not consistent with his actions and writings. Perhaps you should look at some of his later writings and speeches from 1862 onward. Lincoln knew he couldn't snap his fingers and change years of prejudice, but was smart enough to advocate for a gradual approach to reaching the goal. Context is important here, Del. He was neither 100% the saintly emancipator, nor the 100% racist/white supremacist you make him out to be through cherry picking a debate comment. He was a man who recognized he needed to be IN the system to reform it, not outside it, and he worked to ensure he would be part of that system in ultimately bringing reform. I know I'm not going to change your mind because you pick and choose things that fit your narrative, so yes...we disagree. Context is important though, as is understanding how to get things done to reach an end goal. Lincoln actually says I am a white supremacist... He deals directly with his position on the question at hand...
You say I "cherry picked"... ...and I do understand the context... A racist/white supremacist social order in the United States, with formal democratic procedures in place for white males.
It was the Democrats in the south, referred to as Dixiecrats in some history books that were the white supremacists. It was the Republican party that supported blacks and yes, black Republicans served in Congress also. The Republican party has always supported minorities and continues to do so until today. Contrast that with the Dems, many of whom were members of the KKK... senator Byrd from West Virginia, one of Joe Bidens' and Hillary Clintons' friends, was a member of the KKK. President Trump did more to help blacks and other minorities get out of poverty by having the lowest unemployment rate since the late 1950's... and these were good paying jobs too.
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Post by coachd on Nov 30, 2021 12:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 30, 2021 13:06:24 GMT -5
Lincoln actually says I am a white supremacist... He deals directly with his position on the question at hand...
You say I "cherry picked"... ...and I do understand the context... A racist/white supremacist social order in the United States, with formal democratic procedures in place for white males.
It was the Democrats in the south, referred to as Dixiecrats in some history books that were the white supremacists. It was the Republican party that supported blacks and yes, black Republicans served in Congress also. The Republican party has always supported minorities and continues to do so until today. Contrast that with the Dems, many of whom were members of the KKK... senator Byrd from West Virginia, one of Joe Bidens' and Hillary Clintons' friends, was a member of the KKK. President Trump did more to help blacks and other minorities get out of poverty by having the lowest unemployment rate since the late 1950's... and these were good paying jobs too.
The racial wealth gap begins with slavery itself, which was a huge wealth generator for White Americans. The economic value of the 4 million slaves in 1860 was, on average, $1,000 per person, or about $4 billion total. That was more than all the banks, railroads and factories COMBINED in the U.S. were worth at the time.
Historically speaking, white Americans have been racist/white supremacists... Democrats, Whigs, Republicans, Progressive, Republican, etc... doesn't really matter...
Racism/white supremacy is a core element of the American creed... It's a founding principle...
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Post by gymrat67 on Dec 1, 2021 12:30:10 GMT -5
One Penn benefactor says he's pulling his donations because of national anthem protests / Mike Jensen www.inquirer.com/college-sports/penn/penn-national-anthem-protest-maguire-st-josephs-20211123.htmlTHIS !!! : ( See Readers Comment following Mike Jensen article by ' theonionpeeler ' ) : " They have the right to kneel and Mr. Maguire has the right to withdraw his support. In the end, the kneeling will have no impact on the social issues facing our country and Maguire's money will have no impact on Penn. All of these people need to understand that the only impact will be seen in the voting booths for worthy candidates that implement change. The problem is the parties appear to be separated on issues but they all make money at the top. Don't focus on what the disagreements are. It's fodder. Focus on what they actually agree on. That is the key. Never an argument or a problem with military spending. Now you see how the Country is controlled. "
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 1, 2021 12:38:27 GMT -5
One Penn benefactor says he's pulling his donations because of national anthem protests / Mike Jensen www.inquirer.com/college-sports/penn/penn-national-anthem-protest-maguire-st-josephs-20211123.htmlTHIS !!! : ( See Readers Comment following Mike Jensen article by ' theonionpeeler ' ) : " They have the right to kneel and Mr. Maguire has the right to withdraw his support. In the end, the kneeling will have no impact on the social issues facing our country and Maguire's money will have no impact on Penn. All of these people need to understand that the only impact will be seen in the voting booths for worthy candidates that implement change. The problem is the parties appear to be separated on issues but they all make money at the top. Don't focus on what the disagreements are. It's fodder. Focus on what they actually agree on. That is the key. Never an argument or a problem with military spending. Now you see how the Country is controlled. " So much agree with this. The country is moving to be ruled by Oligarchs. At the top they get everything they want and the rest of us get less. Doesn't matter which party you are affiliated with.
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Post by sweat83 on Dec 1, 2021 14:48:31 GMT -5
Oh boy. What a shit thread this has become. Covering alot of bases here...
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Post by hykos1045 on Dec 1, 2021 16:08:57 GMT -5
Some additional info on ... That's not some news site, it's supposedly a blog. It is a diatribe, it has no basis in fact whatsoever for any of that stuff, yet you endorse it. How did they get to you, what made you feel like you had come across credible source "info" that needed to be shared, rather than some sensationalist headline meant to aggravate an already troubled and desperate populace, and denounce the truths put forth by other, actually vetted sources? When I read the dawn media, I was left feeling uncertainty as to what any of the point was, other than to make baseless attacks and try to further fracture America. Had there been any underlying truth about the presidential family, it was undermined by the blatant factual errors. Conversely, I'm glad to have read Del's opinion pieces, particularly his recent one. Though it doesn't always sit comfortably with me to be told our way of thinking is automatically flawed, that's obviously PH4L's intent, to ask us to maybe question inherent belief systems and typical upbringings. Maybe you're afraid of his message having such an effect on you, from having empathy and being someone who listens to alternative views.
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Post by coachd on Dec 1, 2021 19:00:51 GMT -5
Some additional info on ... That's not some news site, it's supposedly a blog. It is a diatribe, it has no basis in fact whatsoever for any of that stuff, yet you endorse it. How did they get to you, what made you feel like you had come across credible source "info" that needed to be shared, rather than some sensationalist headline meant to aggravate an already troubled and desperate populace, and denounce the truths put forth by other, actually vetted sources? When I read the dawn media, I was left feeling uncertainty as to what any of the point was, other than to make baseless attacks and try to further fracture America. Had there been any underlying truth about the presidential family, it was undermined by the blatant factual errors. Conversely, I'm glad to have read Del's opinion pieces, particularly his recent one. Though it doesn't always sit comfortably with me to be told our way of thinking is automatically flawed, that's obviously PH4L's intent, to ask us to maybe question inherent belief systems and typical upbringings. Maybe you're afraid of his message having such an effect on you, from having empathy and being someone who listens to alternative views. I know many are in denial... the Hillary emails about her illegal server containing national security secrets are real and you can read those thanks to FOIA releases from Watchdog groups. The Hunter Biden emails are real as verified by Tony Bobulinski, Hunter's business partner, who said Joe is the big guy that Hunter is referring to in the emails. Justice is supposed to be equal but thus far these DC elitists (Biden family including Joe, Jill, James and Hunter; Clinton family including Hill, Bill and Chelsea and Hugh Rodham; and Obama who provided cover for them) have yet to be prosecuted as John Durham is dragging his feet.
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Post by hykos1045 on Dec 1, 2021 19:32:40 GMT -5
Whataboutism.
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Post by coachd on Dec 1, 2021 21:17:14 GMT -5
It was the Democrats in the south, referred to as Dixiecrats in some history books that were the white supremacists. It was the Republican party that supported blacks and yes, black Republicans served in Congress also. The Republican party has always supported minorities and continues to do so until today. Contrast that with the Dems, many of whom were members of the KKK... senator Byrd from West Virginia, one of Joe Bidens' and Hillary Clintons' friends, was a member of the KKK. President Trump did more to help blacks and other minorities get out of poverty by having the lowest unemployment rate since the late 1950's... and these were good paying jobs too. The racial wealth gap begins with slavery itself, which was a huge wealth generator for White Americans. The economic value of the 4 million slaves in 1860 was, on average, $1,000 per person, or about $4 billion total. That was more than all the banks, railroads and factories COMBINED in the U.S. were worth at the time.
Historically speaking, white Americans have been racist/white supremacists... Democrats, Whigs, Republicans, Progressive, Republican, etc... doesn't really matter... Racism/white supremacy is a core element of the American creed... It's a founding principle...
Racism has never been a part of the Republican party despite what the looney left media is feeding you.
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Post by hykos1045 on Dec 1, 2021 22:10:40 GMT -5
Since you have to reach back 60+ years for evidence of that, then you must be disillusioned. You can say you don't even have a racist bone in your body, but I say you're totally spineless.
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Post by gymrat67 on Jan 20, 2023 13:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by hykos1045 on Jan 20, 2023 13:57:05 GMT -5
Thanks. It's an interesting read, if you have the time. I appreciate that the journalist actually reviewed similar upticks in donations at peer institutions, a curious finding that I hadn't heard the networks explore in their coverage of this. It's a fascinating topic even if the donations to Penn and other similar institutions are found to have absolutely nothing to do with Biden's influence, nor any of the university centers he once chaired.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 20, 2023 14:07:33 GMT -5
Not that interesting though
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Post by gymrat67 on Jan 22, 2023 14:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by calsufan on Jan 22, 2023 14:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 22, 2023 19:29:05 GMT -5
Maybe the plans for the new arena were there.....
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Post by gymrat67 on Jan 23, 2023 11:34:06 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 23, 2023 11:45:07 GMT -5
He literally told the FBI to come to his house.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 23, 2023 12:36:39 GMT -5
He literally told the FBI to come to his house. The White House also literally said the search was complete over a week ago....and then it literally wasn't on Friday
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 23, 2023 14:19:00 GMT -5
He literally told the FBI to come to his house. The White House also literally said the search was complete over a week ago....and then it literally wasn't on Friday Can you shoot me a citation for that?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 23, 2023 14:31:03 GMT -5
The White House also literally said the search was complete over a week ago....and then it literally wasn't on Friday Can you shoot me a citation for that? White House Press Briefing Jan 12, 2023 www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/01/12/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-7/Q So we should assume that it has been completed?
MS. JEAN-PIERRE: It — it — you should assume that it’s been completed, yes.
.... Q Okay. And on the transparency issue: Would you admit that, earlier this week, the White House shared incomplete information? I think that when we all heard Merrick Garland say that these documents at the residence were found on December 20th, that they were notified — that was pretty surprising to all of us based on the statements that you and the President and the Counsel’s Office had made.
MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Well, as I’ve just said, the — as you saw in our statement, the documents that were found last night — right? — they completed the search with documents being found last night.
And then, this morning, we put out — we put out — you heard from the White House Counsel. You — we put out the information on specifically what was found.
Q But just one document was found last night?
MS. JEAN-PIERRE: The search was continuing. It was ongoing. The process, as I have been saying, was ongoing.
And the search is clearly complete, and therefore we shared the information with all of you.
..... Q Just some — more of a follow-up to a couple of questions. But is the President confident — you said that the search has been completed, but is the President confident that there are no additional documents with classified markings that remain in any other additional locations? MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Look, I can just refer you to what his team said: The search is complete. He is confident in this process. And I will leave it there.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 23, 2023 15:23:42 GMT -5
She should get beat up for this (and seemingly is) but I think it is a problem with the White House PR team not with the White House. That said, I hope Joe Biden doesn't run again.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 23, 2023 17:00:41 GMT -5
but I think it is a problem with the White House PR team not with the White House Come on, Man. That's a lazy way of looking at it
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2023 18:57:06 GMT -5
If there's any proof that Biden intentionally took then concealed classified documents in the same manner Trump did, he should face the same consequences as Trump.
(Well ... neither will ever face any consequences regardless of what they did, but one or both should.)
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Post by calsufan on Jan 23, 2023 19:52:20 GMT -5
If there's any proof that Biden intentionally took then concealed classified documents in the same manner Trump did, he should face the same consequences as Trump. (Well ... neither will ever face any consequences regardless of what they did, but one or both should.)
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