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Post by 23won on Jul 24, 2021 6:19:23 GMT -5
The big 12 is dead with TX and OK headed to SEC
What happens next?
Big wildcard with ND. They likely stay in ACC but BiG 10 could make a big pitch. Will be interesting. I’d like to see PSU shift to ACC but that won’t happen unless they get a sweetheart deal. Big 10 money is way better right now.
The remaining big 12 schools could go in a few different ways.
Baylor has the most attractive profile and make sense for Big 10 expansion. ACC could make a run there too.
Kansas brings great hoops but little else. They may be able to squeak into Big 10 but likely go PAC 12 or ACC
Ok State is an odd one. They really get screwed because they are not a great fit anywhere. Possible pac 12 or AAC
WVU, IA State, KSU,
T Tech and TCU make sense in AAC
What do you all think?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 24, 2021 15:32:19 GMT -5
I think the Big 12 will use name recognition to survive. They’ll poach three AAC teams if they have to.
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Post by glorydays on Jul 24, 2021 16:36:15 GMT -5
Texas A&M leaving the the Big 12 for the SEC was their way of waving their middle finger at Texas. My sense is that A&M will do every thing in their power to keep Texas out of the SEC. It probably won’t work.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 24, 2021 17:26:38 GMT -5
Texas A&M leaving the the Big 12 for the SEC was their way of waving their middle finger at Texas. My sense is that A&M will do every thing in their power to keep Texas out of the SEC. It probably won’t work. reporting says that the SEC didn’t contact their representatives at all |
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Post by LaSallePal on Jul 25, 2021 2:07:27 GMT -5
Much like indulgences soured a lot of people on the monetization of the Catholic Church, this entire saga has really cheapened the entire enterprise to me and puts me off it as a result. But I do enjoy hypothetical musical chairs, so... West Virginia - Good-ish fit for ACC, terrible fit for Big 12 (which can't count to 12), non-starter for Big Ten (where 10=14) because they're not an AAU member. Pittsburgh - Why aren't they in the Big 10 already? Probably won't leave ACC. Temple - Probably not going anywhere, least attractive option to most involved. Texas and Oklahoma - Not a great SEC fit, telling that they want to come as a package. Remaining Big 12 schools - There's a lot of good schools both academically and athletically in the remainder there, and... Houston - They'd probably join the Big 12. SMU - Maybe to Big 12. Kansas - Best Big 10 poach possibility from the Big 12. Baylor - Unlikely Big 10, possibly Pac-12. See also TCU, Texas Tech. BYU - Ironic that the university named after one of the fathers of the Mormon church has daddy issues. They'd jump into the Big 12 (or any other big boy conference) in a heartbeat, but who knows if they'd receive an offer. They'd bring more support than people realize. I went with logical fits, but considering both San Diego State and Boise State were briefly members of the Big East I can't rule out everyone embarrassing themselves in the cash coffin yet again. UCF and USF are poor fits, Memphis and Cincinnati are stretches, anyone who suggests any movement in the Mountain West is a joke, and most of the ACC schools that could be a good fit elsewhere (Notre Dame, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia) have more compelling reasons to stay put. There's also a wildcard here: Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Texas A&M can all angle this as harming the interests of their state, which is of course ridiculous but the entire enterprise pre-supposes ridiculousness anyway. We'll see how that plays out; I assume it won't be a factor. I could do this a while, but again I am disgusted by the entire thing. Money ruins everything. Also, no one is ever leaving the Big 10 because the Big 10 confers benefits well beyond athletics and it is arguably second only to the Ivy League in terms of academic prestige (the Patriot League would have something to say about that though). |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Jul 25, 2021 20:42:49 GMT -5
Since the NCAA is basically gonna blow up in a few years, they should split football and all other sports. I get that football is the money maker for a lot of schools and that in some cases, that money helps fund other teams. But there is no reason Temple (for example) should be in the AAC for sports other than football and maybe basketball. They should in the A10/Big East for soccer, track, etc.
It almost seems too simple of an idea to work, but let football have 4, 5, 10 legit conferences with weird (to asinine) groupings of teams, then let all the other sports return to the schools' regional type conference.
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Post by glorydays on Jul 26, 2021 7:27:06 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jul 26, 2021 7:48:26 GMT -5
Since the NCAA is basically gonna blow up in a few years, they should split football and all other sports. I get that football is the money maker for a lot of schools and that in some cases, that money helps fund other teams. But there is no reason Temple (for example) should be in the AAC for sports other than football and maybe basketball. They should in the A10/Big East for soccer, track, etc. It almost seems too simple of an idea to work, but let football have 4, 5, 10 legit conferences with weird (to asinine) groupings of teams, then let all the other sports return to the schools' regional type conference. Some precedent for that, right? Some conferences (Big East, A10 for example) don't have football, so they participate in their chosen conference for everything except football and play elsewhere for that. Notre Dame has a somewhat similar deal with the ACC where (excluding last year) they maintain their independent football schedule but are part of the conference for everything else. It probably makes sense for the non-revenue sports to be more regionally aligned - cuts travel costs, allows more away fans opportunities to see the games, etc. - versus the money-makers that are going to draw gate revenue no matter what. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 26, 2021 8:08:58 GMT -5
That article really downplays the financial benefits that all SEC schools will see by adding those two teams. Money talks, even for Missouri. Definitely for Vanderbilt. |
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Post by sweat83 on Jul 26, 2021 8:43:01 GMT -5
Just for College Football...8 conferences, 12 teams each conference. 2 divisions in each conference. Based on geographic locations. 11 games each team, all within the conference (no OOC games). Division winners face off against each other. Winner goes to the 8 team Nat Championship playoff. 96 teams total competing. Be done with the Conference affiliation. For example, Atlantic Division...BC, Syracuse, Maryland, Pitt, Rutgers, PSU, WVA, Virginia, Marshall, Temple, Buffalo, UCONN. I'm on the fence with a few of the teams being included in this kind of conference, but used just to illustrate where the CFB needs to go IMO. The great minds in CFB can figure all this out...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 9:27:20 GMT -5
I could see a school like Cincinnati trying to carry momentum from the football team last year, make a move to the Big 12. Geographically, it wouldn't be a terrible fit. And for money, the basketball and football could make sense. AAC is just such a wacky conference.
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Post by LaSallePal on Jul 26, 2021 11:01:26 GMT -5
The fuse for the dynamite that blows up college football is lit. Texas Longhorns, Oklahoma Sooners tell Big 12 they will not renew grant of media rights (LINK)Key quote: "SEC expansion could be the first step towards what many throughout the industry foresee as three or four super conferences, and would make the already-dominant SEC even stronger." No mention of ESPN's conflict of interest in pumping the SEC to the moon, or the importance of the declining pool of television revenue. This is all going to end so badly lol |
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Post by 23won on Jul 27, 2021 6:49:01 GMT -5
Baylor and Kansas to Big 10 assuming ND is not courted and won over full ACC. ND needs to wake up and join a monopoly conference. Can’t do this independent approach or they could be boxed out. Neither are AAU schools but are better than many AAU schools academically. All three add eyeballs for increasing value of Big 10 network. Probably tilts hoop power in 10’s favor. KU football sucks but 10 took Md and Rutgers before. Why stop now?
I think the SEC is done unless they can get OSU or Clemson. Both schools have a good path to CFB playoff and OSU makes way more than they would in SEC so I think that flip is unlikely
Most of Big 12 and AAC upper teams will combine. Makes sense. Keep Big 12 name as a vestige of P5 status but they will not be on same level.
I’ve heard 10 could poach top PAC 12 schools but find that unlikely unless they could boot Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland. No leadership there so unlikely. If they had a Delaney type still in charge, they could subtract those three and add USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal and Oregon. That would be an FU to SEC, but not likely
After shock effects could include IMO Gonzaga to Big East, temple to Mac (football) and A10. A10 should chase Loyola and that would be a nice 16 team league
Loyola UD SLU Duq
Temple, La Salle, SJU GW
URI, Bonnie’s, Mass, Fordham
Mason VCU UR DC.
2x pod games (6)
1x all else (12)
Travel costs lowered. Regional rivalries increased!
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Post by gymrat67 on Jul 27, 2021 19:57:29 GMT -5
It's on ! 
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Post by hykos1045 on Jan 25, 2022 13:11:36 GMT -5
The CAA adds Hampton, Stonybrook and Monmouth.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 25, 2022 13:22:33 GMT -5
The CAA adds Hampton, Stonybrook and Monmouth. this will be hampton's third conference in four years. they were a long time meac member, moved to big south four years ago, and will join the caa in july. |
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Post by big5explorer on Jan 25, 2022 19:01:08 GMT -5
The CAA adds Hampton, Stonybrook and Monmouth. this will be hampton's third conference in four years. they were a long time meac member, moved to big south four years ago, and will join the caa in july. Check my math. Thet makes 13 in that conference, right? Sort of an odd number. Hope they aren't looking our way, or us theirs. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 25, 2022 21:26:23 GMT -5
this will be hampton's third conference in four years. they were a long time meac member, moved to big south four years ago, and will join the caa in july. Check my math. Thet makes 13 in that conference, right? Sort of an odd number. Hope they aren't looking our way, or us theirs. james madison is leaving so this will put them at 12. |
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