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Post by MisterD on Jul 30, 2021 9:25:40 GMT -5
Glad you're doing ok and co-sign everything you wrote. I never stopped doing masks indoors, partly for the reasons you said and partly because if even like 25% of employees or other customers at the grocery store would be more comfortable with it, its not harming me. There are far dumber or more cruel things you can do than exercise too much caution during a pandemic that makes it easier to protect others than protect yourself.
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Post by big5explorer on Jul 30, 2021 10:08:03 GMT -5
Glad you're doing ok and co-sign everything you wrote. I never stopped doing masks indoors, partly for the reasons you said and partly because if even like 25% of employees or other customers at the grocery store would be more comfortable with it, its not harming me. There are far dumber or more cruel things you can do than exercise too much caution during a pandemic that makes it easier to protect others than protect yourself. So who are you protecting by masking? And from what? Statistically, it isn’t kids. And it isn’t adults and teens who have been vaccinated.
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Post by Happy Fortune on Jul 30, 2021 10:11:47 GMT -5
There is a new director of ticket sales and operations so that explains why he may be out of the loop on old initiatives. He's part of Elevate Sports Ventures, the group who will be trying to upsell and build revenue. Interested to see how they wine and dine us differently. This mask news is not a great start for renewals. elevatesportsventures.com/
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Post by big5explorer on Jul 30, 2021 10:32:15 GMT -5
I To me, COVID is a virus that wasn't even around in the first months of 2020. Virus's mutate. The situation evolves and the world's leading experts in viruses and public health see new facts and trends emerging and make recommendations based on those changes. Also, what does "people can see right through this" about the CDC's new guidelines mean? I'm pretty sure that's code for "I voted for Trump and I'm being a big whiny baby." Yes, situations evolve, but this virus, even with the delta wave, is becoming less and less dangerous with many people vaccinated. Death rates are continuing to drop. The “surge” in the sunbelt states is much more likely to be from a seasonal predisposition for those states to have that surge, especially for the unvaccinated and with the new delta strain. Those states are not much worse off or any worse off regarding vaccination rates when compared to some major cities, including NY city. But we aren’t seeing a major surge there- yet. What we will likely see is a peak in this surge in the sunbelt states sometime over the next few weeks. Just like in the UK. Their surge is over, and regressing. When there is a change in “mandates,” one of the jobs of chief public healthcare figureheads, and policy-setters is to explain why the change needs to be made. Leaders have done a poor job explaining their reasoning from a data standpoint. I see the same data the “experts” do. And I see no reason to go back to mandates for masking indoors, especially for vaccinated people. Finally, as a physician, i can tell you that many many people who will refuse to wear a mask aren’t necessarily Trump supporters. Go to any inner-city area and survey people. Not all of them, or even most of them, are wearing masks. And obviously the majority of them are not Trump backers. Look at the low vaccination rates of many cities. The same can be said of those people who have not yet vaccinated.
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Post by coqui900 on Jul 30, 2021 11:13:35 GMT -5
Glad you're doing ok and co-sign everything you wrote. I never stopped doing masks indoors, partly for the reasons you said and partly because if even like 25% of employees or other customers at the grocery store would be more comfortable with it, its not harming me. There are far dumber or more cruel things you can do than exercise too much caution during a pandemic that makes it easier to protect others than protect yourself. So who are you protecting by masking? And from what? Statistically, it isn’t kids. And it isn’t adults and teens who have been vaccinated. I'm protecting people who aren't vaccinated from getting COVID. I don't know who at Wawa or the supermarket or Target has or hasn't been vaccinated. So I'm protecting them as much as anyone else. Or maybe there's someone who works at a store who has been fully vaccinated and is worried about catching COVID. My wife's a teacher and she's been fully vaccinated since February. Her school is likely not going to make kids wear a mask and she's really worried about it, especially since a whole bunch of her co-workers went to a wedding together and all caught COVID last year. If wearing a mask helps calm someone's nerves, then I'll gladly do so. Also: Do people think that those of us who are liberal and have adhered to the mask rules think we enjoy wearing masks? I don't enjoy wearing one (although when I walk my dog in the winter it's not so bad). But I also understand that there's a phrase called "and responsibilities" that usually comes after the word "rights." I believe we all have a responsibility to do our part to help the people we share a community with -- the whole "love thy neighbor" part of Christianity is something that stuck with me. To me, that means we have to all do our part to not spread a virus to people who might not be vaccinated or to make people less anxious if they're scared of catching it even if vaccinated. When people say that wearing a mask violates their rights, it also says to me that person does not feel a sense of responsibility towards the rest of the community. So the people on here whining about maybe having to wear a mask to enjoy a college basketball game -- you're not exactly showing me that you're doing your part to love thy neighbor, and we went to a Catholic University that tries to instill that value. And if my wearing a mask means that someone doesn't contract COVID, I'm also doing my part to limit the huge drain on resources at hospitals filled with COVID patients -- which is especially happening in rural America right now. I live in Philly, but people travel. I don't know who lives where. I'm going to visit my parents in upstate New York in a few weeks. This stuff spreads. Rural hospitals struggled financially even before COVID and many closed over the past 20 years. Treating patients with COVID is incredibly expensive and is creating an even bigger financial burden. There are a lot of federal and state grant programs and financial assistance to keep these hospitals afloat. Rural America is poorer than most of America, but a lot of rural states didn't expand Medicaid, which means those hospitals are on the hook for those unpaid bills. People intentionally not getting vaccinated because of their political leanings in these areas are leeching off the backs of hardworking taxpaying Americans when they end up in a struggling hospital, or are directly leading to the closure of one of the few places that pay well in poorer areas. But by wearing a mask, I am limiting who I'm possibly limiting spreading the virus to, and am not contributing to that.
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Post by coqui900 on Jul 30, 2021 11:15:26 GMT -5
I To me, COVID is a virus that wasn't even around in the first months of 2020. Virus's mutate. The situation evolves and the world's leading experts in viruses and public health see new facts and trends emerging and make recommendations based on those changes. Also, what does "people can see right through this" about the CDC's new guidelines mean? I'm pretty sure that's code for "I voted for Trump and I'm being a big whiny baby." Go to any inner-city area and survey people. I live in Philly.
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Post by big5explorer on Jul 30, 2021 11:57:25 GMT -5
Go to any inner-city area and survey people. I live in Philly. So?
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Post by big5explorer on Jul 30, 2021 12:05:30 GMT -5
So who are you protecting by masking? And from what? Statistically, it isn’t kids. And it isn’t adults and teens who have been vaccinated. I'm protecting people who aren't vaccinated from getting COVID. I don't know who at Wawa or the supermarket or Target has or hasn't been vaccinated. So I'm protecting them as much as anyone else. Or maybe there's someone who works at a store who has been fully vaccinated and is worried about catching COVID. My wife's a teacher and she's been fully vaccinated since February. Her school is likely not going to make kids wear a mask and she's really worried about it, especially since a whole bunch of her co-workers went to a wedding together and all caught COVID last year. If wearing a mask helps calm someone's nerves, then I'll gladly do so. Also: Do people think that those of us who are liberal and have adhered to the mask rules think we enjoy wearing masks? I don't enjoy wearing one (although when I walk my dog in the winter it's not so bad). But I also understand that there's a phrase called "and responsibilities" that usually comes after the word "rights." I believe we all have a responsibility to do our part to help the people we share a community with -- the whole "love thy neighbor" part of Christianity is something that stuck with me. To me, that means we have to all do our part to not spread a virus to people who might not be vaccinated or to make people less anxious if they're scared of catching it even if vaccinated. When people say that wearing a mask violates their rights, it also says to me that person does not feel a sense of responsibility towards the rest of the community. So the people on here whining about maybe having to wear a mask to enjoy a college basketball game -- you're not exactly showing me that you're doing your part to love thy neighbor, and we went to a Catholic University that tries to instill that value. And if my wearing a mask means that someone doesn't contract COVID, I'm also doing my part to limit the huge drain on resources at hospitals filled with COVID patients -- which is especially happening in rural America right now. I live in Philly, but people travel. I don't know who lives where. I'm going to visit my parents in upstate New York in a few weeks. This stuff spreads. Rural hospitals struggled financially even before COVID and many closed over the past 20 years. Treating patients with COVID is incredibly expensive and is creating an even bigger financial burden. There are a lot of federal and state grant programs and financial assistance to keep these hospitals afloat. Rural America is poorer than most of America, but a lot of rural states didn't expand Medicaid, which means those hospitals are on the hook for those unpaid bills. People intentionally not getting vaccinated because of their political leanings in these areas are leeching off the backs of hardworking taxpaying Americans when they end up in a struggling hospital, or are directly leading to the closure of one of the few places that pay well in poorer areas. But by wearing a mask, I am limiting who I'm possibly limiting spreading the virus to, and am not contributing to that. If you want to wear a mask to protect those who have decided not to get vaccinated, that is your prerogative. But I shouldn’t be under a mandate to protect them from themselves. And while you may feel better masking around the vaccinated, or while you might make them feel better, the statistical reality is that you are not making them any more safe from serious complications from this virus. I work for a large healthcare system, and you’ve totally lost me regarding your arguments on healthcare systems.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jul 31, 2021 8:06:17 GMT -5
So who are you protecting by masking? And from what? Statistically, it isn’t kids. And it isn’t adults and teens who have been vaccinated. So the people on here whining about maybe having to wear a mask to enjoy a college basketball game -- you're not exactly showing me that you're doing your part to love thy neighbor, and we went to a Catholic University that tries to instill that value. if this comment was directed at me, you need to stfu. i'm not "whining". i just choose not to sit in gola with a mask for 2 hours. it's not like i'll be trying to get into the building without a mask. i'll stay home and watch it on tv even after paying for a season ticket. so i am doing my part by not attending in person, even though i'm fully vaxxed. do i meet your "standards" for loving my neighbor? and if you think this makes me less of a fan, that's your problem. i've been a season ticket holder for many years, never wavered even during the last 30 years of futility.
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Post by sweat83 on Jul 31, 2021 10:18:34 GMT -5
There is a new director of ticket sales and operations so that explains why he may be out of the loop on old initiatives. He's part of Elevate Sports Ventures, the group who will be trying to upsell and build revenue. Interested to see how they wine and dine us differently. This mask news is not a great start for renewals. Interesting...I'm sure they don't come cheap. I'm wondering if the 140+ years of data and analytic experience will mention anything about a facility upgrade?
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Post by MisterD on Jul 31, 2021 10:54:31 GMT -5
Anyone else optimistic?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 2, 2021 9:53:38 GMT -5
Her school is likely not going to make kids wear a mask and she's really worried about it, especially since a whole bunch of her co-workers went to a wedding together and all caught COVID last year. So these teachers went to a wedding before a vaccine was available. Did they wear masks the whole time? Did they socially distance? Or were they, what I call, covidiots and ignored the rules because the wedding was more important? That seems like they were being really irresponsible. Odds are they have antibodies and likely won't be spreading it. When people say that wearing a mask violates their rights, it also says to me that person does not feel a sense of responsibility towards the rest of the community. So the people on here whining about maybe having to wear a mask to enjoy a college basketball game -- you're not exactly showing me that you're doing your part to love thy neighbor, and we went to a Catholic University that tries to instill that value. I live in Philly, but people travel. I don't know who lives where. I'm going to visit my parents in upstate New York in a few weeks. This stuff spreads. The virtue signaling here is staggering. No one on here said it violates their rights. We do, however, have a choice as to how to spend our free time. My choice is not to wear a mask in an arena that feels like a sauna for 2 hours...especially when wearing a mask provides no documented medical benefit for vaccinated people (and La Salle said anyone on campus needs to be vaccinated) and we are not in a designated CDC hot zone. There is no "guideline" right now for it in Philadelphia, but La Salle is instituting one. That is their right as a private university, just as it is within our rights as private citizens to not attend games if they have that rule. The inconsistency in your arguments is that there are going to be players unmasked who have been travelling running up and down the court and breathing heavily. They are more of a risk than the fans in the stands...especially with their travel to other arenas that would have different rules...as you point out regarding travel. Maybe as good Catholics we should call off the whole season so no one in the La Salle community is put at risk when the players travel and play unmasked. Are you advocating for that, or for players to play the games masked? If not, why not? Also..sorry about your gall bladder. I had that surgery in 2007. You'll get used to just "renting" certain meals (greasy food, fried food, syrup on pancakes, bacon) unless you change your diet.
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Post by blueandgold on Aug 2, 2021 11:57:57 GMT -5
I usually just watch these discussions about COVID to avoid the back and forth. But anyway - there are a lot of variables by country, region, etc. And just because rates are high or decreasing in one place, doesn’t necessarily mean much for somewhere else. The virus will only continue to mutate - let’s just hope it does not become something even worse or that vaccines or other precautions fail to have any material effect.
I was in no rush to get an EUA vaccine that isn’t perfect - the testing is not done, we don’t have long term data, it will not work the same against all mutations, etc. I don’t like wearing masks. But I like being in the physical presence of those I love and even those I tolerate (here’s looking at you Saint Joseph’s of Pennsylvania Hawks), and some protection felt better than nothing when I have a family who depends on me to be here. So I eventually got vaccinated, and I wear masks when required or when those around me would be more comfortable. (I also wash my hands all the time, and sadly I’ll never understand how others still don’t even after COVID came around. Gross!)
I read data and guidance from subject matter experts and make my own decisions. I talk to others and learn from their first hand experiences. I like that people have the space to make decisions on their own.
I don’t judge others for not getting vaccinated or not wearing a mask in social settings. But on the flip side, if there isn’t some level of mandates or strong recommendations, I do not have a better answer of how to battle or live with COVID in our world. And frankly I’m grateful not to have a job where I make such policy.
You can still carry and transmit the virus when “fully vaccinated”. Heck you can still get sick. But the risks of severe impact are reduced, barring where the mutations lead.
My main points: COVID is here to stay, we need to live with it, there are precautions available that we should take - but don’t get mad because some don’t think like you do or choose the same actions. Listen to them and respect them and if they happen to alter your perspective one way or another, great.
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Post by coachd on Aug 3, 2021 12:33:33 GMT -5
Glad you're doing ok and co-sign everything you wrote. I never stopped doing masks indoors, partly for the reasons you said and partly because if even like 25% of employees or other customers at the grocery store would be more comfortable with it, its not harming me. There are far dumber or more cruel things you can do than exercise too much caution during a pandemic that makes it easier to protect others than protect yourself. So who are you protecting by masking? And from what? Statistically, it isn’t kids. And it isn’t adults and teens who have been vaccinated. Yes, the CDC lost any remaining credibility it had. The reason the majority of us got the vaccine was to resume normal life without restrictions. Those who had covid-19 and recovered are also immune to severe illness. The only ones who should be distancing and wearing masks are those who cannot get the vaccine (for health reasons)... all others 12 and over should be vaccinated. Kids under 12 shouldn't be wearing masks unless they have health issues... as these kids have strong immune systems. The pandemic is over for the fully vaccinated.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 3, 2021 13:45:25 GMT -5
So who are you protecting by masking? And from what? Statistically, it isn’t kids. And it isn’t adults and teens who have been vaccinated. The reason the majority of us got the vaccine was to resume normal life without restrictions. Thanks for reiterating what is most important to conservatives.
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Post by coachd on Aug 3, 2021 14:35:02 GMT -5
The reason the majority of us got the vaccine was to resume normal life without restrictions. Thanks for reiterating what is most important to conservatives. It applies to all Americans.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 3, 2021 14:40:13 GMT -5
"Actually everyone is egocentric."
Enjoy Applebees! You've earned it!
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Post by Fastchuck on Aug 3, 2021 17:45:52 GMT -5
"Actually everyone is egocentric." Enjoy Applebees! You've earned it! Yeah, we fancy like Applebees on a date night Get that Bourbon Street steak and an oreo shake Get some whipped cream on the top too two straws, one check, girl I got you Bougie like Natty in the styrofoam
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Post by 23won on Aug 3, 2021 20:09:56 GMT -5
There is a new director of ticket sales and operations so that explains why he may be out of the loop on old initiatives. He's part of Elevate Sports Ventures, the group who will be trying to upsell and build revenue. Interested to see how they wine and dine us differently. This mask news is not a great start for renewals. Interesting...I'm sure they don't come cheap. I'm wondering if the 140+ years of data and analytic experience will mention anything about a facility upgrade? Wine and dine? Someone who worked at Harris Blitzer? More like bait and switch
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Post by glorydays on Aug 4, 2021 6:46:04 GMT -5
"Actually everyone is egocentric." Enjoy Applebees! You've earned it! Yeah, we fancy like Applebees on a date night Get that Bourbon Street steak and an oreo shake Get some whipped cream on the top too two straws, one check, girl I got you Bougie like Natty in the styrofoam Chuck, you never cease to amaze me. This may actually top your St. John of Nepomuk post of a few years back.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 4, 2021 8:22:01 GMT -5
I had to google but I walked into that one.
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Post by Fastchuck on Aug 4, 2021 12:30:47 GMT -5
Yeah, we fancy like Applebees on a date night Get that Bourbon Street steak and an oreo shake Get some whipped cream on the top too two straws, one check, girl I got you Bougie like Natty in the styrofoam Chuck, you never cease to amaze me. This may actually top your St. John of Nepomuk post of a few years back. I don't remember St. John Nepomuk. Probably too much Natty in the styrofoam.
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Post by Fastchuck on Aug 4, 2021 13:50:07 GMT -5
Another reason for optimism! Received a package from the Explorer Fund today. Don't know why but there it is. T shirts, rally towels, Explorer magnet, 2 bottle openers and enough plastic cups to never drink Natty in styofoam again. Thanks Brian.
For those who worry about such things, the Explorer on the T shirts is wearing a mask.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Aug 10, 2021 19:18:49 GMT -5
i guess no one got the memo. barely a mask on in the building.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 11, 2021 6:18:55 GMT -5
i guess no one got the memo. barely a mask on in the building. appears to be a maskless Christian Ray in the packed stands about 37 seconds in. What a horrible Catholic according to one poster here
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Post by glorydays on Aug 11, 2021 8:35:38 GMT -5
Another reason for optimism! Received a package from the Explorer Fund today. Don't know why but there it is. T shirts, rally towels, Explorer magnet, 2 bottle openers and enough plastic cups to never drink Natty in styofoam again. Thanks Brian. For those who worry about such things, the Explorer on the T shirts is wearing a mask. Chuck, I think you were one of the raffle winners for folks who renewed their season tix. Nice prizes. I don’t think you were as lucky with your draft lottery number 52 years ago.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 11, 2021 8:53:35 GMT -5
Another reason for optimism! Received a package from the Explorer Fund today. Don't know why but there it is. T shirts, rally towels, Explorer magnet, 2 bottle openers and enough plastic cups to never drink Natty in styofoam again. Thanks Brian. For those who worry about such things, the Explorer on the T shirts is wearing a mask. Chuck, I think you were one of the raffle winners for folks who renewed their season tix. Nice prizes. I don’t think you were as lucky with your draft lottery number 52 years ago. nah. I got the same thing in the mail and hadn't renewed. Unfortunately they never asked me my shirt size before mailing it, so I now have 4 shirts that don't fit I am giving away to people.
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Post by glorydays on Aug 11, 2021 9:17:25 GMT -5
Chuck, I think you were one of the raffle winners for folks who renewed their season tix. Nice prizes. I don’t think you were as lucky with your draft lottery number 52 years ago. nah. I got the same thing in the mail and hadn't renewed. Unfortunately they never asked me my shirt size before mailing it, so I now have 4 shirts that don't fit I am giving away to people. Damn, I renewed my season tix and didn't get anything (yet). Maybe Delaware folks aren't eligible....
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 11, 2021 9:21:23 GMT -5
nah. I got the same thing in the mail and hadn't renewed. Unfortunately they never asked me my shirt size before mailing it, so I now have 4 shirts that don't fit I am giving away to people. Maybe Delaware folks aren't eligible....
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 11, 2021 11:32:34 GMT -5
nah. I got the same thing in the mail and hadn't renewed. Unfortunately they never asked me my shirt size before mailing it, so I now have 4 shirts that don't fit I am giving away to people. Damn, I renewed my season tix and didn't get anything (yet). Maybe Delaware folks aren't eligible.... payback for when they stated carding at Total Wine when PA closed the liquor stores during the pandemic.
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