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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 15, 2021 15:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by stlexplorer on Apr 15, 2021 20:10:39 GMT -5
Part 1 was awesome, looking forward to Part 2
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 15, 2021 20:36:52 GMT -5
Part 1 was awesome, looking forward to Part 2 See there you go. If you can’t trust the guy who I was his Best Man at his wedding, and who would be the Best Man in the increasingly unlikely event I ever got married, to be an objective source on the quality of my podcast, who can you trust? |
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Post by stlexplorer on Apr 16, 2021 5:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 16, 2021 13:48:32 GMT -5
In 1968-69, La Salle played all home games at Palestra and then 3 games of the Quaker City Tournament at The Spectrum
I assume you were getting the Spectrum games from the Sports Reference CBB site. The arena data from before the mid-90s is a bit of a mess for city schools that used multiple courts (like La Salle)
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 16, 2021 14:15:25 GMT -5
1989: They were an 8 seed. they lost Legler and added Woods, but Woods was a prop 48 so had to sit out his freshman year. The big add to replace Legler that year was Jack Hurd and board member Bobby Johnson became just about the best 6th-man in the country that season, as well
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 16, 2021 15:16:33 GMT -5
Just finished the pod. enjoyed it and thank you for doing it
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 16, 2021 15:20:43 GMT -5
Just finished the pod. enjoyed it and thank you for doing it Thank YOU for listening, and for all of your great additional info/clarifications. |
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 19, 2021 9:24:08 GMT -5
For people to get an idea of HOW GREAT Durrett was, his 8-game stretch leading up to the Canisius game where he ruined his knee is, almost without question, the greatest run of individual play in La Salle history:
Jan. 9, 1970: 31 points and 17 rebounds (on 13-17 shooting!) in a 63 to 58 win over Temple
Jan. 16, 1970: 45 points and 14 rebounds in a 91-76 win over #5 Western Kentucky
Jan. 20, 1970: 40 points and 18 rebounds in a 96-79 win over Niagara
Jan. 23, 1970: 40 points and 15 rebounds in 93-82 win over Lafayette
Jan. 28, 1970: 22 points, 16 rebounds and 5 assists in 81-63 win over Drexel
Jan. 30, 1970: 27 points and 13 rebounds in 79-62 win over Hofstra
Feb. 3, 1970: 29 points and 7 rebounds in 74-53 win over Loyola (LA)
Feb. 6, 1970: 38 points and 10 rebounds in 75-68 loss to Syracuse
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 19, 2021 11:13:04 GMT -5
Here's a sampling of the most points some of our greatest scorers ever hit for over a 4-game span. No one touches Durrett
Durrett: 156
Marshall: 133
Brooks: 131
Butler: 131
Woods: 129
Townes: 129
Overton: 127
Simmons: 125
Gola: 124
Carr: 121
Lewis: 118
Neal: 117
Bryant: 115
Smith: 114
Black: 112
Cannon: 100
Interesting thing to note is that Lionel was so damn steady that his '4-game high' was less than both Overton and Woods. Never slumped, though. Overton's 4-game high was, not surprisingly, the 1st 4 games of the post-Train era when Woods happened to be suspended
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Post by talkinbball on Apr 19, 2021 11:57:58 GMT -5
Great posts broderick. For those of us lucky enough to have seen him play, we remember how great Durrett was and the first one makes a great point about how the injury destroyed his career. Today, it is highly likely he would have recovered and had a legit pro career. The second one includes some of our other most notable players and the note regarding Simmons is spot on.
(I have a question from the second item. The only "Neal" I remember is Sean Neal who, if my memory is correct, I thought was just a "role player". Am I wrong on this, or, is there another Neal who I am not remembering at all.)
(Also, the second item also illustrates something that I was just in a conversation about this weekend i.e. La Salle has not had a true "Money Player" for a while now unlike in the past. We desperately need to get that tradition started again).
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 19, 2021 12:00:11 GMT -5
Great posts broderick. For those of us lucky enough to have seen him play, we remember how great Durrett was and the first one makes a great point about how the injury destroyed his career. Today, it is highly likely he would have recovered and had a legit pro career. The second one includes some of our other most notable players and the note regarding Simmons is spot on. (I have a question from the second item. The only "Neal" I remember is Sean Neal who, if my memory is correct, I thought was just a "role player". Am I wrong on this, or, is there another Neal who I am not remembering at all.) (Also, the second item also illustrates something that I was just in a conversation about this weekend i.e. La Salle has not had a true "Money Player" for a while now unlike in the past. We desperately need to get that tradition started again). Gary Neal. |
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Post by talkinbball on Apr 19, 2021 12:09:36 GMT -5
Thanks 88. Guess when you are old enough to have seen Durrett, the overall memory is not as sharp as it used to be.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 19, 2021 13:06:35 GMT -5
Thanks 88. Guess when you are old enough to have seen Durrett, the overall memory is not as sharp as it used to be. Yeah, Neal nowhere near one of our greatest players, but certainly one of the more explosive scorers we've had when he's on Great point on the money players. It's been awhile since he had anyone we could count on for 20+ every night |
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Post by glorydays on Apr 19, 2021 18:08:24 GMT -5
...was at the Palestra the night Durrett wrecked his knee. Devastating. Frank Pinto (do I have first name right) was sitting in front of me.
Durrett was fortunate that the Royals still made him their top pick.
It is amazing how long ago that was. Jesus, I am old...
Great post, bp.
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 19, 2021 18:32:55 GMT -5
Great posts broderick. For those of us lucky enough to have seen him play, we remember how great Durrett was and the first one makes a great point about how the injury destroyed his career. Today, it is highly likely he would have recovered and had a legit pro career. The second one includes some of our other most notable players and the note regarding Simmons is spot on. (I have a question from the second item. The only "Neal" I remember is Sean Neal who, if my memory is correct, I thought was just a "role player". Am I wrong on this, or, is there another Neal who I am not remembering at all.) (Also, the second item also illustrates something that I was just in a conversation about this weekend i.e. La Salle has not had a true "Money Player" for a while now unlike in the past. We desperately need to get that tradition started again). Gary Neal.  towsontigers.com/staff-directory/gary-neal/2332www.towson.edu/news/2020/gary_neal.html?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebookhoopshype.com/player/gary-neal/salary/ |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 19, 2021 21:05:05 GMT -5
The timeline is very different if everyone had just gone to sleep.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 19, 2021 21:07:27 GMT -5
The timeline is very different if everyone had just gone to sleep. Absolutely. |
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Post by 1801olney on Apr 20, 2021 14:35:27 GMT -5
Yeah, if only they had gone to sleep instead of having sex with someone while they were throwing up in the kitchen sink.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 20, 2021 16:20:36 GMT -5
Exactly.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 20, 2021 16:25:04 GMT -5
Fuck Neal. Fuck Cleaves.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 20, 2021 16:48:20 GMT -5
Well this post about my podcast has certainly gone in an interesting direction lol.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 20, 2021 20:02:27 GMT -5
Well this post about my podcast has certainly gone in an interesting direction lol. in my defense the history of La Salle basketball over the past 20 years hinged on that moment |
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Post by stlexplorer on Apr 20, 2021 20:04:27 GMT -5
So I equally don't want to go down the road of maybe the darkest time of our program but this conversation seems to be hinting at something and I'm curious. Neumann and I walked onto campus in fall of 2004 into the middle of the shitstorm left behind by Neal/Cleaves/etc. Am I reading into the comments on the board that seem to be hinting at the potential of that team and going forward?
For those around before us, what would have happened if that crime didn't occur and the program wasn't brought down by horrible decisions all around? Obviously there's no G but what do you guys think was going to happen to the program from there for those of us who didn't know the program pre-G.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Apr 20, 2021 20:36:24 GMT -5
Doo-rett, Michael Brooks, and lionel Simmons. Not many can match that.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 20, 2021 20:58:38 GMT -5
1801 and Mr. D with classic posts. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by hykos1045 on Apr 21, 2021 6:10:44 GMT -5
It's revisionist history, just like the one where Hahn was the guy who could end our postseason drought.
We made it to the 2002 semifinals because team played the game of their lives against Temple.
In 2003 St Joe's mopped the floor with us. Then 2004 was the worst end to a season I have seen in all my years. We lost 55-42 to URI right after a blowout loss to GW at home in March. The team had been mailing it in. Our trajectory was definitely not the same as a few people here continually insist. At the loss to GW, one of the students was adamantly yelling at Br Mike for Billy to be fired, which was oddly prophetic.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 21, 2021 6:12:26 GMT -5
So I equally don't want to go down the road of maybe the darkest time of our program but this conversation seems to be hinting at something and I'm curious. Neumann and I walked onto campus in fall of 2004 into the middle of the shitstorm left behind by Neal/Cleaves/etc. I’m the same age as you guys but went to a bunch of 2003 games. The team had talent and Billy Hahn is a super underrated coach. Got Explorers to the semis in ‘02 and lost to Jameer’s team in ‘03. He deserved to be let go, but a 2004-05 roster with Neal...who scored 1000 points at two schools, Steve Smith, Jermaine Thomas and freshman Darnell Harris would have been an A10 contender and probably a tournament team that year or next. That potential tournament appearance reshapes the next 15 years. But people did terrible things and grown adults handled it poorly and everyone left or got fired and we had 9 years before a miracle. |
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Post by hykos1045 on Apr 21, 2021 6:15:14 GMT -5
Our posts crossed in the mail.
That the 55-42 game happened with a bunch of "all conference" type players makes it all the more damning!
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 21, 2021 7:56:38 GMT -5
So I equally don't want to go down the road of maybe the darkest time of our program but this conversation seems to be hinting at something and I'm curious. Neumann and I walked onto campus in fall of 2004 into the middle of the shitstorm left behind by Neal/Cleaves/etc. Got Explorers to the semis in ‘02 and lost to Jameer’s team in ‘03. He deserved to be let go, but a 2004-05 roster with Neal...who scored 1000 points at two schools, Steve Smith, Jermaine Thomas and freshman Darnell Harris would have been an A10 contender and probably a tournament team that year or next. That potential tournament appearance reshapes the next 15 years. i'm sorry. i couldn't not comment on this. you do realize hahn's career head coaching record is 79-99. there is one reason la salle made the a10 semis in 2002 and his name is rasual butler. hahn was a lousy coach. and i won't even comment on what type of person he was. |
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