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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 27, 2021 20:53:25 GMT -5
Did you miss where she accepted the job as a woman? I’m not even saying that. I’d just like to hear if these donors provided any specific examples. I’m not looking to end up in another intramural fight. I’m honestly agnostic about the job Dr. Hanycz did as President. I don’t know enough to have an opinion one way or another really. The post of Glitter’s numbers is certainly a strong way to lay out his side of the argument.
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Post by golasalle on Apr 27, 2021 21:05:00 GMT -5
I sincerely have no idea of anything that’s happened since she’s been President that could be interpreted as “political posturing” which is why I asked. Ok, i’ll bite. You mean aside from having a dog dorm that teaches students that all you need to get through the hardships of life is an emotional support animal?: www.fox29.com/news/first-lady-michelle-obama-speaking-at-la-salle-universityOFFS
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Post by big5explorer on Apr 27, 2021 21:33:16 GMT -5
It’s naive to believe potential donors who lean conservative aren’t turned off by such things. I’d argue that both of the above register into the Top 10 most viewed news stories for the University under her tenure.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 27, 2021 22:03:04 GMT -5
While I obviously don’t agree that it’s “political posturing” so much as it’s just “allowing a political campaign to pay to host an event in your campus” I’ll even grant you that one for the sake of argument (I mean Lynn Swann made an appearance when I was a Freshman in 2004 and he was campaigning for Governor and I didn’t think that was the school endorsing him).
But I’m to believe there are people out there who would otherwise donate to La Salle, but didn’t, because one of the dorms was dog-friendly? My apartment building is dog friendly, I’m gonna give the super fucking what for tomorrow about all his political posturing. And again, not for nothing, but the school bought in puppies and other small animals every semester during Finals Week (full disclosure-it may have been the week before, I can’t remember) as part of “Stressbusters” where they did a different thing each night to help kids relax a little. Brother Mike and his political pandering.
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Post by big5explorer on Apr 27, 2021 22:20:21 GMT -5
While I obviously don’t agree that it’s “political posturing” so much as it’s just “allowing a political campaign to pay to host an event in your campus” I’ll even grant you that one for the sake of argument (I mean Lynn Swann made an appearance when I was a Freshman in 2004 and he was campaigning for Governor and I didn’t think that was the school endorsing him). But I’m to believe there are people out there who would otherwise donate to La Salle, but didn’t, because one of the dorms was dog-friendly? My apartment building is dog friendly, I’m gonna give the super fucking what for tomorrow about all his political posturing. And again, not for nothing, but the school bought in puppies and other small animals every semester during Finals Week (full disclosure-it may have been the week before, I can’t remember) as part of “Stressbusters” where they did a different thing each night to help kids relax a little. Brother Mike and his political pandering. Someone asked for examples that might be taken as political posturing, and I provided a few. Arguably, there is a significant difference between Lynn Swann compared to Obama campaigning for Clinton, when considering the political ramifications, political weight, and optics. Similarly, there is an arguable difference in school philosophy between housing pets full-time in small dorm rooms compared to having animals visit during finals for an hour of stressbuster petting.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 27, 2021 22:23:31 GMT -5
While I obviously don’t agree that it’s “political posturing” so much as it’s just “allowing a political campaign to pay to host an event in your campus” I’ll even grant you that one for the sake of argument (I mean Lynn Swann made an appearance when I was a Freshman in 2004 and he was campaigning for Governor and I didn’t think that was the school endorsing him). But I’m to believe there are people out there who would otherwise donate to La Salle, but didn’t, because one of the dorms was dog-friendly? My apartment building is dog friendly, I’m gonna give the super fucking what for tomorrow about all his political posturing. And again, not for nothing, but the school bought in puppies and other small animals every semester during Finals Week (full disclosure-it may have been the week before, I can’t remember) as part of “Stressbusters” where they did a different thing each night to help kids relax a little. Brother Mike and his political pandering. Someone asked for examples that might be taken as political posturing, and I provided a few. Arguably, there is a significant difference between Lynn Swann compared to Obama campaigning for Clinton, when considering the political ramifications, political weight, and optics. Similarly, there is an arguable difference in school philosophy between housing pets full-time in small dorm rooms compared to having animals visit during finals for an hour of stressbuster petting. If my examples above aren't sufficient to sway you, I'm happy to copy and paste past tweets from the President or the University that might have been off-putting to conservative donors. Go ahead. I’m dubious I’ll agree they qualify as political posturing but I’ll admit if I’m wrong on any. Like I said, I’ll acquiesce to the Michelle Obama thing possibly falling into that category.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 27, 2021 22:25:31 GMT -5
Also on the pets thing, there’s a difference I just don’t get how it’s remotely political in either scenario. “People shouldn’t be allowed to have pets that make them happy” isn’t something from a back issue of the Buckley-era National Review as best I recall.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 27, 2021 23:56:33 GMT -5
Of course they are, if Tucker and Bill and whoever else before them has already told you that these are overtly politically issues.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2021 6:15:57 GMT -5
Go ahead. I’m dubious I’ll agree they qualify as political posturing but I’ll admit if I’m wrong on any. Like I said, I’ll acquiesce to the Michelle Obama thing possibly falling into that category. "Possibly"? Really? Do you recall one of the admins on here going absolutely bananas over the La Salle cheerleaders making a brief appearance on the Fox morning show a few years back (to support an alum). If one person in this limited sample set of Explorer Town felt that strongly about cheerleaders making an appearance on a station not aligning with his political views to the point where another admin had to lock the thread, imagine how some of the more conservative alums in a much larger sample size felt watching a campaign rally in The Gola for someone who didn't align with theirs?
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Post by 23won on Apr 28, 2021 6:45:45 GMT -5
Go ahead. I’m dubious I’ll agree they qualify as political posturing but I’ll admit if I’m wrong on any. Like I said, I’ll acquiesce to the Michelle Obama thing possibly falling into that category. "Possibly"? Really? Do you recall one of the admins on here going absolutely bananas over the La Salle cheerleaders making a brief appearance on the Fox morning show a few years back (to support an alum). If one person in this limited sample set of Explorer Town felt that strongly about cheerleaders making an appearance on a station not aligning with his political views to the point where another admin had to lock the thread, imagine how some of the more conservative alums in a much larger sample size felt watching a campaign rally in The Gola for someone who didn't align with theirs? Or if a new Prez brought in Trump to help the House races in PA in '22, the admins here among others would go batsh!t. Memo to new Prez - keep politics out of your statements, missions and big rallys on campus. If you're able to keep a neutral outer appearance, you alienate no one, make more friends and rake in more dough.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 28, 2021 7:42:44 GMT -5
I agree with you guys on the Michele Obama deal....the dog dorm is reaching though. For the record, I'm a dog lover, not batshit crazy, I'm gonna take my dog to eat lunch with me on the sidewalk, at the Marathon grill dog lover, but I love dogs. However, I don't think I'd sign off on a dog friendly dorm if I were president at the school. That's a benefit of off campus housing.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 28, 2021 8:19:24 GMT -5
Go ahead. I’m dubious I’ll agree they qualify as political posturing but I’ll admit if I’m wrong on any. Like I said, I’ll acquiesce to the Michelle Obama thing possibly falling into that category. "Possibly"? Really? Do you recall one of the admins on here going absolutely bananas over the La Salle cheerleaders making a brief appearance on the Fox morning show a few years back (to support an alum). If one person in this limited sample set of Explorer Town felt that strongly about cheerleaders making an appearance on a station not aligning with his political views to the point where another admin had to lock the thread, imagine how some of the more conservative alums in a much larger sample size felt watching a campaign rally in The Gola for someone who didn't align with theirs? Was that the example the people you talked to cited? Or was there other stuff?
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2021 8:55:15 GMT -5
Enrollment drives revenue, younger people skew far more left than right, so inviting Michelle Obama is obviously a good move to drive ... no wait this one here is not an enrollment or revenue issue this is about the conservatives who redirected donations from their alma mater to protecting confederate statues or whatever.
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 28, 2021 9:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 9:24:32 GMT -5
Enrollment drives revenue, younger people skew far more left than right, so inviting Michelle Obama is obviously a good move to drive ... no wait this one here is not an enrollment or revenue issue this is about the conservatives who redirected donations from their alma mater to protecting confederate statues or whatever. And are younger people donating? No. This wasn't a "bring Trump on campus" argument. It was a "does having Michelle Obama campaign for Clinton bring in more donations from Alum" and I think the objective answer on that is no. Any student that went to see her will probably forget about that when it's time to donate anyway. I don't think conservative alumni who don't like the political posturing of that will forget immediately, and worst case they don't donate for a few years.
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Post by SICguy84 on Apr 28, 2021 9:29:11 GMT -5
Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy held a rally for the re-election of John Street in I want to say 2000 inside TGA. Hilary Clinton spoke on campus during the 92 election to a political science class.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 28, 2021 9:44:12 GMT -5
this one here is not an enrollment or revenue issue this is about the conservatives who redirected donations from their alma mater to protecting confederate statues or whatever. you're really going to go there?
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2021 10:10:09 GMT -5
And are younger people donating? No. This wasn't a "bring Trump on campus" argument. It was a "does having Michelle Obama campaign for Clinton bring in more donations from Alum" and I think the objective answer on that is no. It’s only that argument because a certain poster decided to narrow the framing. If part of the logic behind Legler is “there’s prestige from kids seeing him on ESPN”, I’m pretty sure it’s fair to apply that same logic to hosting the former First Lady.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 28, 2021 12:08:00 GMT -5
Still applies. I don’t know what’s going on
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2021 13:15:40 GMT -5
"Possibly"? Really? Do you recall one of the admins on here going absolutely bananas over the La Salle cheerleaders making a brief appearance on the Fox morning show a few years back (to support an alum). If one person in this limited sample set of Explorer Town felt that strongly about cheerleaders making an appearance on a station not aligning with his political views to the point where another admin had to lock the thread, imagine how some of the more conservative alums in a much larger sample size felt watching a campaign rally in The Gola for someone who didn't align with theirs? Was that the example the people you talked to cited? Or was there other stuff? It is AN example that I still hear from time to time - "You were on the Alumni Board during that...how could you let that happen?" - to which I casually respond that we don't have any say in those types of decisions. Did you really want me to dive into everything I've heard or been asked about? You asked for an example, someone else gave an example, and now you want more? Interestingly, in a post on here a few months back you echoed a similar sentiment: "but the day La Salle went into any kind of business with Dave Portnoy or Barstool would be the day I stopped donating to the University, following any of the sports teams or any of that." This about a media figure....imagine now someone with deep-rooted political beliefs feeling as you felt and their reaction? I'm not saying this way of thinking is right or wrong...but a leader has to know that a polarizing decision can have polarizing consequences and that people may react with their wallets and support...just as you threatened do to at even the speculation of his involvement with school. explorertown.proboards.com/post/108135
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2021 13:29:01 GMT -5
Pretty sure I could prove Portnoy antithetical to the Lasallian core principles a lot easier than someone could prove Michelle Obama to be. That matters; its not just like/dislike.
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Post by explorerburger on Apr 28, 2021 13:36:50 GMT -5
Explorertown: more whine than the old Christian Brothers Vineyard in Napa.
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Post by explorerburger on Apr 28, 2021 13:37:32 GMT -5
Explorertown: more fragile than a jar of salsa on the Connelly Library sidewalk.
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Post by explorerburger on Apr 28, 2021 13:38:32 GMT -5
Explorertown: We're lost without ExplorerSteve
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2021 13:47:38 GMT -5
That's the one.
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Post by explorerentourage on Apr 28, 2021 13:53:52 GMT -5
For the record, Michelle Obama spoke openly about being Pro-Choice in Tom Gola Arena to an applause. Didn't sit well with me.
Still doesn't.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2021 14:04:39 GMT -5
Pretty sure I could prove Portnoy antithetical to the Lasallian core principles a lot easier than someone could prove Michelle Obama to be. That matters; its not just like/dislike. I didn't realize we were grading relative degrees of Lasallian values here. But since you raised it, and it isn't my intent to get into a political debate here - there are certain people who were as disgusted with Clinton's candidacy as you or Neumann might be with Portnoy. The difference being, the La Salle University President did not allow a political rally for Portnoy's candidacy which, to some alumni, represented a tacit endorsement of the candidate. To come to the original point - I'm sure you can see that if the speculation of Portnoy writing a check to La Salle to save baseball elicited such a strong response from Neumann to the point where he was ready to abandon all future support of the school, then there might be others (with whom you clearly disagree) who felt equally as upset with the rally being allowed to actually happen. I'm making no determination here of what is right or wrong or starting a debate on which person exhibits fewer Lasallian values, but optics matter and perception matters, and a leader of an institution has to sometimes put their personal ideologies aside in performing their leadership duties...or be comfortable with the consequences if they don't.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 28, 2021 14:19:21 GMT -5
I'm about to go on a sabbatical from the board for a bit, but I don't want to make it seem like I ran away from answering any of this. I asked if there were other examples because if that's the only one, then saying "some alums were put off by the political posturing" could have been more clearly explained by saying "People were upset the school hosted Michelle Obama." If there were more, I was interested in that. I'll be honest, I legitimately forgot Michelle Obama was at La Salle (probably because I don't care that much and have tried to forget as much about those few months as possible).
Listing a bunch of things Colleen did wrong in your opinion (or based on numbers) and including that bullet point in there is a clear co-sign that you agree with the points those alums were raising to you.
I believe on that same place where I said I wouldn't be involved with the school anyomre if they got into business with Dave Portnoy I said something along the lines of "I know no one would care and it wouldn't make a difference anyway." And with that, I'll see you all in November.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2021 14:24:13 GMT -5
Listing a bunch of things Colleen did wrong in your opinion (or based on numbers) and including that bullet point in there is a clear co-sign that you agree with the points those alums were raising to you. See...that's where you are wrong. I stated: "some alums became disenfranchised with the political posturing". Clearly that happened, whether I agreed with those alums or not.
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Post by LaSallePal on Apr 28, 2021 15:22:22 GMT -5
Two things:
1. Fuck Dave Portnoy and the annoying whiny teenager's-conception-of-edgy-bro-culture voice he rode to D-list fame. He is truly the worst of what America has to offer, but also the American America deserves.
2. What Glitter's talking about isn't really about Michelle Obama, even if unnamed people said directly it's about Michelle Obama. La Salle hasn't correctly managed alumni relations for a long time, and saying it's about Michelle Obama is like saying it's the last fight that caused someone's divorce rather than the preceding years and the prior 50 fights. Notre Dame has hosted similarly controversial guests with similar denunciations by connected people, and yet their numbers remain steady and healthy.
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