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Post by lasalle69bestever on Apr 5, 2021 23:43:41 GMT -5
I don't know, but using Rider and Bucknell facilities as examples of an upgrade for us doesn't fit that well with comments about not joining "lower" conferences.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 6, 2021 7:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by weston2 on Apr 6, 2021 13:37:36 GMT -5
I don't know, but using Rider and Bucknell facilities as examples of an upgrade for us doesn't fit that well with comments about not joining "lower" conferences. Both LaSalle and SJU badly need new state of the art facilities in the 5-6K range to stay relevant. That's just to stay even in the arms race and make a statement. Otherwise, you're just going to go deeper in the abyss.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 6, 2021 19:19:34 GMT -5
I don't know, but using Rider and Bucknell facilities as examples of an upgrade for us doesn't fit that well with comments about not joining "lower" conferences. Both LaSalle and SJU badly need new state of the art facilities in the 5-6K range to stay relevant. That's just to stay even in the arms race and make a statement. Otherwise, you're just going to go deeper in the abyss. SJU had their chance with the nutrisystem money.
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Post by nyalum on Apr 6, 2021 20:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by jellybean on Apr 7, 2021 10:14:25 GMT -5
Really surprised at the lack of response my previous post got on the things needed besides focusing on 3450 seats ( posters here seem to be fixated on a) seats and b) who starts games). Appreciate those that "liked" my post. For those that didn't respond one way or the other here is a post from the SJU (PA) board which echoes my sentiments.
sjhawk13 Posted on Apr 3rd, 4:52 PM, , User Since 91 months ago, User Post Count: 9259 Apr 3rd, 4:52 PM 91 months 9259 Recruits don't care about the arena. It's been said a million times and despite that so many posters want it to not be so. Players care about locker rooms, practice facility, weight rooms and athletic training tables.
Del had said it. Matt has said it. I have no idea why it doesn't sink in. If we want to improve our standing and chances of winning, we need to improve upon what players care about, not what fans care about.
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Post by jellybean on Apr 7, 2021 10:21:21 GMT -5
Kudos to Glitter for his original post. He gets a lot of grief at times but his facts are 100% correct. Let me add a couple of things to this Armory thing. First, I am so glad that this recreational building never saw the light of day. It was to be named after a famous alum. Imagine your name being associated with a building on a toxic waste site? Second, the other talked about use was to build a high rise parking garage. Not sure if the cars came in from Ogontz, the baseball field or both. No wonder alums have so little faith in the BOT.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 7, 2021 10:24:44 GMT -5
I agree, and if you asked me 3400 is perfect for size. When La Salle hosts Duke it can be at the Wells Fargo or Palestra. Let’s make it a beautiful, intimate, futuristic place with all the bells and whistles the players want.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 7, 2021 11:50:21 GMT -5
Players care about locker rooms, practice facility, weight rooms and athletic training tables. Agree on the locker room and amenities piece. Look to Mark Cuban. He intentionally made the visitor's locker room in Dallas nice because those players could eventually become free agents and maybe want to come to Dallas when they saw the locker room perks. Fast forward to this era of transfers, and it applies now for college athletics.
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Post by 23won on Apr 7, 2021 14:38:57 GMT -5
Really surprised at the lack of response my previous post got on the things needed besides focusing on 3450 seats ( posters here seem to be fixated on a) seats and b) who starts games). Appreciate those that "liked" my post. For those that didn't respond one way or the other here is a post from the SJU (PA) board which echoes my sentiments. sjhawk13 Posted on Apr 3rd, 4:52 PM, , User Since 91 months ago, User Post Count: 9259 Apr 3rd, 4:52 PM 91 months 9259 Recruits don't care about the arena. It's been said a million times and despite that so many posters want it to not be so. Players care about locker rooms, practice facility, weight rooms and athletic training tables. Del had said it. Matt has said it. I have no idea why it doesn't sink in. If we want to improve our standing and chances of winning, we need to improve upon what players care about, not what fans care about. Have the E&F Dorms been torn down? Great place for a practice facility, weight room and training table. Might even be able to squeeze in MBB and WBB upscale living quarters
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Post by golasalle on Apr 7, 2021 14:49:04 GMT -5
Really surprised at the lack of response my previous post got on the things needed besides focusing on 3450 seats ( posters here seem to be fixated on a) seats and b) who starts games). Appreciate those that "liked" my post. For those that didn't respond one way or the other here is a post from the SJU (PA) board which echoes my sentiments. sjhawk13 Posted on Apr 3rd, 4:52 PM, , User Since 91 months ago, User Post Count: 9259 Apr 3rd, 4:52 PM 91 months 9259 Recruits don't care about the arena. It's been said a million times and despite that so many posters want it to not be so. Players care about locker rooms, practice facility, weight rooms and athletic training tables. Del had said it. Matt has said it. I have no idea why it doesn't sink in. If we want to improve our standing and chances of winning, we need to improve upon what players care about, not what fans care about. Have the E&F Dorms been torn down? Great place for a practice facility, weight room and training table. Might even be able to squeeze in MBB and WBB upscale living quarters They are gone.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 8, 2021 7:05:54 GMT -5
Meanwhile, while we continue to speculate what will happen with The Gola, across the state the Dukes honored their former player who was the first African-American drafted by the NBA with an official historical marker at their new arena. (yeah..I'll get crap for posting this, but I was out there this weekend and saw it)
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Post by MisterD on Apr 8, 2021 7:52:25 GMT -5
That's so much better than a statue. Statues are creepy.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 8, 2021 11:55:29 GMT -5
Meanwhile, while we continue to speculate what will happen with The Gola, across the state the Dukes honored their former player who was the first African-American drafted by the NBA with an official historical marker at their new arena. (yeah..I'll get crap for posting this, but I was out there this weekend and saw it) View AttachmentNot crap, but I'm curious how you tie that historical marker for a different school to the Facilities thread for La Salle.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 8, 2021 12:04:36 GMT -5
Not crap, but I'm curious how you tie that historical marker for a different school to the Facilities thread for La Salle. Original article wasn't just La Salle, and this thread refenced other schools. We talk about it for years, while another urban Catholic school in our conference makes it happen.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 8, 2021 14:04:48 GMT -5
Meanwhile, while we continue to speculate what will happen with The Gola, across the state the Dukes honored their former player who was the first African-American drafted by the NBA with an official historical marker at their new arena. (yeah..I'll get crap for posting this, but I was out there this weekend and saw it) View AttachmentNot crap, but I'm curious how you tie that historical marker for a different school to the Facilities thread for La Salle. Purely coincidental but I had just been reading about Cooper in concurrence with listening to the Podcast on La Salle basketball history. Duquesne won 2 NIT’s in the Chuck Cooper era. He also started for the Pistons when the Gola Warriors beat then for the 1956 NBA title. I believe Cooper graduated from Duquesne before we recruited Jackie Moore. My mind seems to need to connect the dots.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 8, 2021 17:01:08 GMT -5
Not crap, but I'm curious how you tie that historical marker for a different school to the Facilities thread for La Salle. Original article wasn't just La Salle, and this thread refenced other schools. We talk about it for years, while another urban Catholic school in our conference makes it happen. Pittsburgh, firmly planted between St. Louis and Greensboro NC in size. Definitely faces the same obstacles as La Salle.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 9, 2021 8:58:52 GMT -5
Not crap, but I'm curious how you tie that historical marker for a different school to the Facilities thread for La Salle. Original article wasn't just La Salle, and this thread refenced other schools. We talk about it for years, while another urban Catholic school in our conference makes it happen. Yeah, not seeing that at all. Seems like you're just throwing more shade at your 3rd favorite university.
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Post by jellybean on Apr 9, 2021 9:30:46 GMT -5
Original article wasn't just La Salle, and this thread refenced other schools. We talk about it for years, while another urban Catholic school in our conference makes it happen. Yeah, not seeing that at all. Seems like you're just throwing more shade at your 3rd favorite university. SMH
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 9, 2021 11:35:26 GMT -5
Original article wasn't just La Salle, and this thread refenced other schools. We talk about it for years, while another urban Catholic school in our conference makes it happen. Yeah, not seeing that at all. Seems like you're just throwing more shade at your 3rd favorite university. You're right. Showing how another team in conference with whom we compete for students had a new President a year after ours started, kicked this off in their 2018 strategic plan, and had it opened in 2021 is definitely throwing shade. Pointing out that they honor the first African American player drafted while we sit on Glasser money to do...what exactly...is definitely throwing shade and completely uncalled for. I apologize wholeheartedly for upsetting you and the other apologists for pointing out how some schools with similar profiles execute on their strategic plans with an eye toward the future while honoring their past and those who paved the road for many. I'll be sure to celebrate the chairs in the quad and the "almost-arena" slated for a toxic land purchase rather than historic markers and new arenas next time.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 9, 2021 15:18:38 GMT -5
Yeah, not seeing that at all. Seems like you're just throwing more shade at your 3rd favorite university. You're right. Showing how another team in conference with whom we compete for students had a new President a year after ours started, kicked this off in their 2018 strategic plan, and had it opened in 2021 is definitely throwing shade. Pointing out that they honor the first African American player drafted while we sit on Glasser money to do...what exactly...is definitely throwing shade and completely uncalled for. I apologize wholeheartedly for upsetting you and the other apologists for pointing out how some schools with similar profiles execute on their strategic plans with an eye toward the future while honoring their past and those who paved the road for many. I'll be sure to celebrate the chairs in the quad and the "almost-arena" slated for a toxic land purchase rather than historic markers and new arenas next time. spot on. fyi, duquesne did not build a new arena. it's a renovation of the palumbo center, albeit quite an extensive one ($45m) including luxury boxes, etc, along with the addition of a practice facility. and for anyone who has an issue with la salle doing a trumark reno with 3,400 seats, the capacity of duquesne's arena is 3,500. not sure if that includes the luxury boxes or not.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 9, 2021 23:19:32 GMT -5
Yeah, not seeing that at all. Seems like you're just throwing more shade at your 3rd favorite university. You're right. Showing how another team in conference with whom we compete for students had a new President a year after ours started, kicked this off in their 2018 strategic plan, and had it opened in 2021 is definitely throwing shade. Pointing out that they honor the first African American player drafted while we sit on Glasser money to do...what exactly...is definitely throwing shade and completely uncalled for. I apologize wholeheartedly for upsetting you and the other apologists for pointing out how some schools with similar profiles execute on their strategic plans with an eye toward the future while honoring their past and those who paved the road for many. I'll be sure to celebrate the chairs in the quad and the "almost-arena" slated for a toxic land purchase rather than historic markers and new arenas next time. First, I accept your wholehearted apology. It's good that you admit when you're wrong. Second, I don't know what you mean about upsetting me and the other apologists. I don't know what you mean or who they are. I'm not an apologist for the school, but I'm also not someone who many would say has an ax to grind with the school. But will I speak up when all I see someone do is bad mouth their own university time and time again? Sure I will. Not sure how that makes me an "apologist" though. Has the university done everything right? Of course not, but you certainly seem to relish in pointing out the bad, time and time again. Reference your post above as a prime example. This school honors their athletes along with other alumni. You took a plaque honoring a great basketball player and managed to turn that into yet another thinly veiled knock on your school. You even admitted as much as when you mentioned you'd get crap for posting it. That's something for anyone to shake their head at.
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Post by jellybean on Apr 10, 2021 7:30:44 GMT -5
You're right. Showing how another team in conference with whom we compete for students had a new President a year after ours started, kicked this off in their 2018 strategic plan, and had it opened in 2021 is definitely throwing shade. Pointing out that they honor the first African American player drafted while we sit on Glasser money to do...what exactly...is definitely throwing shade and completely uncalled for. I apologize wholeheartedly for upsetting you and the other apologists for pointing out how some schools with similar profiles execute on their strategic plans with an eye toward the future while honoring their past and those who paved the road for many. I'll be sure to celebrate the chairs in the quad and the "almost-arena" slated for a toxic land purchase rather than historic markers and new arenas next time. First, I accept your wholehearted apology. It's good that you admit when you're wrong. Second, I don't know what you mean about upsetting me and the other apologists. I don't know what you mean or who they are. I'm not an apologist for the school, but I'm also not someone who many would say has an ax to grind with the school. But will I speak up when all I see someone do is bad mouth their own university time and time again? Sure I will. Not sure how that makes me an "apologist" though. Has the university done everything right? Of course not, but you certainly seem to relish in pointing out the bad, time and time again. Reference your post above as a prime example. This school honors their athletes along with other alumni. You took a plaque honoring a great basketball player and managed to turn that into yet another thinly veiled knock on your school. You even admitted as much as when you mentioned you'd get crap for posting it. That's something for anyone to shake their head at. SMH +1
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Post by glorydays on Apr 10, 2021 8:43:16 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 10, 2021 9:56:40 GMT -5
First, I accept your wholehearted apology. It's good that you admit when you're wrong. Second, I don't know what you mean about upsetting me and the other apologists. I don't know what you mean or who they are. I'm not an apologist for the school, but I'm also not someone who many would say has an ax to grind with the school. But will I speak up when all I see someone do is bad mouth their own university time and time again? Sure I will. Not sure how that makes me an "apologist" though. Has the university done everything right? Of course not, but you certainly seem to relish in pointing out the bad, time and time again. Reference your post above as a prime example. This school honors their athletes along with other alumni. You took a plaque honoring a great basketball player and managed to turn that into yet another thinly veiled knock on your school. You even admitted as much as when you mentioned you'd get crap for posting it. That's something for anyone to shake their head at. First off. It wasn't a thinly veiled knock. It was a direct comparison of leadership getting something done versus one that does not. I own that. The collective board seems to be unable to say "The Emperor Has No Clothes" on here when it comes to the administration, reserving, instead, our criticisms for 19 and 20 year olds who take too many shots or don't execute the game plan they way we think they should, rather than the most highly compensated employees of the school who are failing to execute in their game plan. Is that "bad-mouthing" the University? No...no more than pointing out criticism of a political administration is "bad mouthing" the country. We cannot turn a blind eye toward administrative failure in our school and by our BoT just because their paycheck says "La Salle University". Fact is...we've sat on Glaser money since 2013 with no plan or communication while watching other schools communicate, build, and execute on plans. We compete with these other schools for students, and part of competing is executing a plan. There are more kids from Bishop Shanahan in Chester County (where my daughter went) at Duquesne than at 20th and Olney. Why? Why aren't we getting those kids? When I went with her on the admission tour at La Salle in the fall of 2019, one mom at the end of the tour said, "Some of these buildings look a little dated. Does the school have any plans to build and modernize?" The admissions rep giving the tour had no answer...nor, apparently, does anyone in the administration. I was at a meeting with a guy who could write a 7-figure check without thinking about it. The reason he hasn't - "I don't see a plan I can get behind." Failure to plan is planning to fail, and so far, no plan has been communicated on facilities. Let's be honest about it instead of apologizing for it. Let's hold the highly compensated employees accountable for it instead of ignoring it. But hey...they're "working on it"...so just trust them and all will be well.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 10, 2021 10:15:32 GMT -5
I’ll contend that the makeup of La Salle’s board of trustees has failed the school for years. Where I diverge from you is that any one individual president could effect change in the meaningful way you’re looking for.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 10, 2021 11:50:52 GMT -5
I’ll contend that the makeup of La Salle’s board of trustees has failed the school for years. Where I diverge from you is that any one individual president could effect change in the meaningful way you’re looking for. Isn't that part of the University President's job - to set the strategy and get the people in place to execute on it? If "one individual President" can't affect change, do we need 2 or 3? Where does the buck stop on no communicated facilities plan if not with that office and that individual? From the Alumni Board minutes of the Jan 2020 meeting. Who's it on...the AD or the President (who hired the AD)?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 10, 2021 13:56:57 GMT -5
Nothing happened in the world between Jan 2020 and now so maybe you’re right.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 10, 2021 14:06:13 GMT -5
Nothing happened in the world between Jan 2020 and now so maybe you’re right. and...the apologist shows up. I guess he was yoo busy firing a rowing coach and cutting sports during that time. The other things going on in the world didn't seem to hinder job searches in higher education.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 10, 2021 14:21:55 GMT -5
It’s not being an apologist. It’s being cognizant that there were other priorities for everyone during a global pandemic. It was a weird time that was new and different for everyone. We’re not going to agree here.
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