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Post by walkon on Apr 1, 2021 5:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by glorydays on Apr 1, 2021 5:43:23 GMT -5
One funeral at a time the La Salle hardcore fan base goes away.
I enjoyed a few conversations with John Glaser. Was able to get rides with him to La Salle @ GW games. What a great man and astute strategist at "investing" money the right way, even after his death. (He was thrilled when I showed him how to avoid the toll on I95 at the MD-Delaware line.) He was wealthy and generous, yet I think he still had his First Communion money.
The clock is ticking on all of us. It is also unfortunately ticking on the La Salle basketball program.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 1, 2021 8:14:14 GMT -5
One funeral at a time the La Salle hardcore fan base goes away. I enjoyed a few conversations with John Glaser. Was able to get rides with him to La Salle - GW games. What a great man and astute strategist at "investing" money the right way, even after his death. (He was thrilled when I showed him how to avoid the toll on I95 at the MD-Delaware line.) He was wealthy and generous, yet I think he still had his First Communion money. The clock is ticking on all of us. It is also unfortunately ticking on the La Salle basketball program. He never hit on 15 or 16 in blackjack. I tried to explain basic strategy to him. John never wanted to break his own hand.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 1, 2021 8:50:11 GMT -5
There is no bigger item hurting La Salle basketball. Cannot be debated in my opinion. We discussed it for years and nothing has been done and we been the epitome of mediocrity through several coaches.
We could move down to a lower league which most do not want. Even if we did those lower schools are improving their facilities as well.
The clock is ticking is correct. La Salle will be forced to make a move one way or another. The issue we have is we don't know when the clock runs out at this point.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 1, 2021 9:49:25 GMT -5
Good to get the AD on the record here.
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Post by SICguy84 on Apr 1, 2021 11:21:40 GMT -5
Good to get the AD on the record here. Very true. Over the years, AD underlings would give me a flippant "Can you write a check for a million dollars" when I would inquire at games/events about the status of the "facility" upgrade.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 1, 2021 11:29:37 GMT -5
Baptiste came to our Alumni Board meeting in January 2020 and said an Athletics Master Facilities plan would be completed and shared by the summer of 2020. Granted...COVID happened that could have caused some delay. But....crickets. It is well past summer
From the article above: "You hear a lot of background chatter that La Salle is getting ready to move forward on a project. You always hear that chatter. Baptiste said an athletics master plan is nearly complete. Heard that before, too."
We are always close to having a plan...with no actual plan.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 1, 2021 11:36:09 GMT -5
It’s a good piece. Nothing incredibly deep beyond the Glaser stuff but it’s a high profile writer laying it all out for a large(r) audience so it’s a good thing. My biggest concern is they’re gonna halfway shoot with it and “reimagine” Heyman/Gola in a few noticeable ways but not enough to really alter things where you feel like you’re in an arena. That’s the minimum to me. Make me feel like I’m in an arena. Not a pro arena or a state of the art building, but just like a place where later that night there won’t be intramural floor hockey or that the janitor is shutting the lights off at 9:30 whether the game is over or not.
I remain totally skeptical anything meaningful can be done within the existing structure of Hayman/Gola that would meaningfully change things. Finding a way to fit 5 rows of seats behind the basket and calling the issue resolved is the worst scenario possible to me.
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Post by SICguy84 on Apr 1, 2021 12:12:33 GMT -5
You all do know today is April Fool's Day?!
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 1, 2021 12:24:20 GMT -5
It’s a good piece. Nothing incredibly deep beyond the Glaser stuff but it’s a high profile writer laying it all out for a large(r) audience so it’s a good thing. My biggest concern is they’re gonna halfway shoot with it and “reimagine” Heyman/Gola in a few noticeable ways but not enough to really alter things where you feel like you’re in an arena. That’s the minimum to me. Make me feel like I’m in an arena. Not a pro arena or a state of the art building, but just like a place where later that night there won’t be intramural floor hockey or that the janitor is shutting the lights off at 9:30 whether the game is over or not. I remain totally skeptical anything meaningful can be done within the existing structure of Hayman/Gola that would meaningfully change things. Finding a way to fit 5 rows of seats behind the basket and calling the issue resolved is the worst scenario possible to me. theneumann64 : THIS ( see drawings below ) is apparently what the architects Bogrette, et al say they CAN do ( structurally ) given the existing load-bearing limitations of Hayman / TGA, the estimated cost of which has not been disclosed. Would you / do you consider this retrofit ( 3394 seats ) " meaningful " ?
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 1, 2021 12:45:01 GMT -5
It’s a good piece. Nothing incredibly deep beyond the Glaser stuff but it’s a high profile writer laying it all out for a large(r) audience so it’s a good thing. My biggest concern is they’re gonna halfway shoot with it and “reimagine” Heyman/Gola in a few noticeable ways but not enough to really alter things where you feel like you’re in an arena. That’s the minimum to me. Make me feel like I’m in an arena. Not a pro arena or a state of the art building, but just like a place where later that night there won’t be intramural floor hockey or that the janitor is shutting the lights off at 9:30 whether the game is over or not. I remain totally skeptical anything meaningful can be done within the existing structure of Hayman/Gola that would meaningfully change things. Finding a way to fit 5 rows of seats behind the basket and calling the issue resolved is the worst scenario possible to me. you do realize there are already renderings and blueprints done for another gola/hayman/trumark renovation. explorertown.proboards.com/thread/3259/comprehensive-facilities-master-plan-trumark explorertown.proboards.com/attachment/download/912reading between the lines, this is what baptiste was talking about in the jensen interview. they will flip the court and have between 10-15 rows of seats on the two sidelines, 12-15 rows behind one basket, and around 30-35 rows behind the other basket. the current 3400 seat capacity will remain roughly the same unless they've figured out a way to add more since then. i've always felt this was the best we could hope for. la salle just doesn't have the money for a brand new arena. it's all about raising the funds at this point. i've heard that the glaser money has grown a little bit (can't confirm this) from the quoted $5m. the question then becomes what the total price tag will be and how much more will they need to raise for another renovation.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 1, 2021 12:55:02 GMT -5
The renderings work for me given a new arena is a pipe dream. We desperately need to get out of the current Gola configuration. It is among the worst in college basketball. If they could get that and add some food or pub with it I would think it could work with the right coach that creates an identify for the program.
Sometimes a beautiful small intimate setting is better than the sterile large arenas if you can do it right.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 1, 2021 12:59:57 GMT -5
I've come around on that last part as well. 3,400 is small for our level but if our biggest problem post-Gola is that we can't seat everyone who wants to attend, so be it. Bigger issue with the rendering is that it seems really unbalanced with one behind the basket section being larger than any other section.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 1, 2021 13:27:21 GMT -5
Those renderings looks good. I’d still have to reserve judgment until I was there but if it looks like it looks in those pictures I’d assume I’d be satisfied. I’m skeptical those renderings would come to fruition, but I’m also often wrong.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 1, 2021 17:24:05 GMT -5
It’s a good piece. Nothing incredibly deep beyond the Glaser stuff but it’s a high profile writer laying it all out for a large(r) audience so it’s a good thing. My biggest concern is they’re gonna halfway shoot with it and “reimagine” Heyman/Gola in a few noticeable ways but not enough to really alter things where you feel like you’re in an arena. That’s the minimum to me. Make me feel like I’m in an arena. Not a pro arena or a state of the art building, but just like a place where later that night there won’t be intramural floor hockey or that the janitor is shutting the lights off at 9:30 whether the game is over or not. I remain totally skeptical anything meaningful can be done within the existing structure of Hayman/Gola that would meaningfully change things. Finding a way to fit 5 rows of seats behind the basket and calling the issue resolved is the worst scenario possible to me. you do realize there are already renderings and blueprints done for another gola/hayman/trumark renovation. explorertown.proboards.com/thread/3259/comprehensive-facilities-master-plan-trumark explorertown.proboards.com/attachment/download/912reading between the lines, this is what baptiste was talking about in the jensen interview. they will flip the court and have between 10-15 rows of seats on the two sidelines, 12-15 rows behind one basket, and around 30-35 rows behind the other basket. the current 3400 seat capacity will remain roughly the same unless they've figured out a way to add more since then. i've always felt this was the best we could hope for. la salle just doesn't have the money for a brand new arena. it's all about raising the funds at this point. i've heard that the glaser money has grown a little bit (can't confirm this) from the quoted $5m. the question then becomes what the total price tag will be and how much more will they need to raise for another renovation. I'm not about 10-15 rows along a sideline.... that would be a high school feel... like Rider's gym. I'm out if we do that.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 1, 2021 17:27:37 GMT -5
So leave it the way it is instead?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 1, 2021 17:31:00 GMT -5
No...do it right, not something that's going to look Mickey Mouse the day it's completed.
Call Louth, call whoever. The worst thing in the world would be to have a gym similar to Rider.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 1, 2021 17:33:21 GMT -5
No...do it right, not something that's going to look Mickey Mouse the day it's completed. Call Louth, call whoever. The worst thing in the world would be to have a gym similar to Rider. I agree. And in a perfect world they wouldn't be relegated to what they can do on a third floor. But if those are the constraints, need to make the best with what you can do.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 1, 2021 17:59:57 GMT -5
No...do it right, not something that's going to look Mickey Mouse the day it's completed. Call Louth, call whoever. The worst thing in the world would be to have a gym similar to Rider. I agree. And in a perfect world they wouldn't be relegated to what they can do on a third floor. But if those are the constraints, need to make the best with what you can do. Wouldn't that be throwing good money on top of bad??? Like fixing a piece of shit car that's going to continue to nickel and dime you?
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Post by walkon on Apr 1, 2021 18:13:15 GMT -5
Let’s face it...the Hayman center was built cheaply and was bad in 1998 when it was built. It was already obsolete.. and without question the most poorly designed facility in division one basketball. A court on the third floor? Don’t do anything but keep it for a rec center or tear it down entirely. No rehab St. John Baptise de la salle PRAY FOR US.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 1, 2021 18:17:32 GMT -5
I agree. And in a perfect world they wouldn't be relegated to what they can do on a third floor. But if those are the constraints, need to make the best with what you can do. Wouldn't that be throwing good money on top of bad??? Like fixing a piece of shit car that's going to continue to nickel and dime you? prices aren’t going down though. I was all for the fill in the pool idea but I don’t think that’s architecturally feasible.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 1, 2021 19:09:49 GMT -5
The renderings don’t look bad. That is the bottom line.
Only so much can be done with a third floor.
It is unbelievable La Salle is paying the price 50 years later when Haymam was bring planned it was supposed to be a 10,000 seat arena and they were convinced by the Big 5 to scale it down. It has been 50 years of horrible decisions that we can’t fix.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 1, 2021 19:51:36 GMT -5
Mik, 10 rows going the length of the court screams small high school. So how much of a price difference between row 1 and row 10?
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 1, 2021 20:01:58 GMT -5
We have 26 rows at Gola now and it looks horrific because the bleachers are not steep and each row is set back instead of more on top of the previous row. This is why the look on TV is so bad.
This configuration does not show that. The problem is there is no concourse possible because it is on the third floor.
I would love to have a two story set of seats with a concourse but that is not possible. If a new building is not possible I would much rather have a fresh hamburger than eating a piece of steak sitting in the trash can which we are eating now with the current Gola configuration.
We have to take what we can get since we are limited with. resources.
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 1, 2021 20:02:08 GMT -5
The renderings don’t look bad. That is the bottom line. Only so much can be done with a third floor. It is unbelievable La Salle is paying the price 50 years later when Haymam was bring planned it was supposed to be a 10,000 seat arena and they were convinced by the Big 5 to scale it down. It has been 50 years of horrible decisions that we can’t fix. explorertown.proboards.com/thread/3780/game-thread-st-peters-4pm?page=4 scroll down to post / item #15 - ( dated 12/1/2020 ) Clue # 3
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 2, 2021 5:32:08 GMT -5
I also take issue with 3,400 seats. Gola used to seat 4,000, but I guess they had to cut capacity because of aisle/safety issues??? If enrollment ever does grow, and the program gets consistently good, it will under sell itself at 3,400 capacity. I don't if the right number is 5,000 or 6,000, but is has to have some room for growth above the current number.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this is probably the only (last) upgrade we are going to see, so go all out and hit a home run. Because these little bunts in the 90's have us what we have today.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 2, 2021 6:32:00 GMT -5
I also take issue with 3,400 seats. Gola used to seat 4,000, but I guess they had to cut capacity because of aisle/safety issues??? If enrollment ever does grow, and the program gets consistently good, it will under sell itself at 3,400 capacity. I don't if the right number is 5,000 or 6,000, but is has to have some room for growth above the current number. I guess what I'm trying to say is this is probably the only (last) upgrade we are going to see, so go all out and hit a home run. Because these little bunts in the 90's have us what we have today. Gola never seated 4,000. La Salle admittedly pumped the capacity to appear larger than the true architecture drawings which were presented in La Salle Magazine which stated it would have 3,328 seats which I have saved in my house somewhere.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 2, 2021 7:48:59 GMT -5
you do realize there are already renderings and blueprints done for another gola/hayman/trumark renovation. explorertown.proboards.com/thread/3259/comprehensive-facilities-master-plan-trumark explorertown.proboards.com/attachment/download/912reading between the lines, this is what baptiste was talking about in the jensen interview. they will flip the court and have between 10-15 rows of seats on the two sidelines, 12-15 rows behind one basket, and around 30-35 rows behind the other basket. the current 3400 seat capacity will remain roughly the same unless they've figured out a way to add more since then. i've always felt this was the best we could hope for. la salle just doesn't have the money for a brand new arena. it's all about raising the funds at this point. i've heard that the glaser money has grown a little bit (can't confirm this) from the quoted $5m. the question then becomes what the total price tag will be and how much more will they need to raise for another renovation. I'm not about 10-15 rows along a sideline.... that would be a high school feel... like Rider's gym. I'm out if we do that. the renderings look nothing like rider's gym.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 2, 2021 7:54:53 GMT -5
This configuration does not show that. The problem is there is no concourse possible because it is on the third floor. there is a concourse that runs underneath the seats. in the new configuration.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 2, 2021 8:04:46 GMT -5
people need to come to grips with reality. i would love a 5-6k stand alone arena and to make hayman/trumark a rec center/practice facility. la salle would love it too. but the only way that happens is if there are at minimum a couple $10m donors out there (plus another handful of 6 and 7 figure donors).
a new stand alone facility would cost at minimum $40-$50m to build. good luck coming up with that.
so instead, this is the option. you either do it or you don't.
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