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Post by calsufan on Mar 10, 2021 20:46:42 GMT -5
Westhead probably got hired at St. Joe’s as McKinney may have thought There was a shot that Littlepage would come along...but Littlepage ended up at Penn. Westhead could get a little flaky but he was a hell of a hire in 1970. A little flaky? He could get baklava flaky at times.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 10, 2021 21:26:26 GMT -5
Lobbying for more badges by linking to my hometown paper?
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Post by MisterD on Mar 10, 2021 21:50:58 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 10, 2021 21:51:59 GMT -5
You guys should be Marist fans
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Post by MisterD on Mar 10, 2021 22:02:07 GMT -5
I have a picture of me standing next to Rik Smits where I come up to about his shin.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 10, 2021 22:14:03 GMT -5
If I told my mom I was lobbying to be the next head coach of La Salle basketball, I trust she'd say "why would they want to hire you?" Yes, but your mom still thinks your perfect. If I told my mom I was lobbying to be the next head coach of La Salle basketball she would tell me to raise my expectations. Speaking of families, Gnocchi has brought up Quinnie’s Baker Dunleavy. He is married to UD coach Martin Ingelsby’s sister. So like at the Inglelsby Thanksgiving Dinner, Martin has to eat with a brother in law who makes twice as much as him. Some things ain’t right. ( I would like to see Ingelsby in the A-10 before he goes to South Bend...) I did tell my mom I was lobbying to be the next head coach of La Salle basketball and, in an odd twist, she said “Why would they want to hire Legler?”
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Post by vital on Mar 11, 2021 10:00:44 GMT -5
Legs made some really good assessments on helping to build a program as a Coach..
Around the (44:00 mark)The explanation of a Organization or a program on handling a young player (Rasheed Wallace)was spot on..almost similar to what you expect from a collegiate program..Whereas this school i feel is losing to many big men and underdeveloped players!
Ash was to bring in a pipeline of players especially locally to the program thru his high recruiting skills but I believe Jay Wright name along with Villanova facilities can make for a easy decisions...Whereas Legs was coaching a bunch of high 3star and some 4 or better star players yearly which can make him a good recruiter.. coaching on the circuit of EYBL, ADIDAS GAUNTLET, UA, and having access to other players as well..
And last he was so detail about bringing in people or coaches who knew more about building and running a program than he did Whereas he can focus on the Xs and Os of the game...something i feel Ash didn't do enough of and tried to make this Nova instead of The Explorers...He loved the way Howard went to his Alma Mater and brought in ppl to make things work...Maybe Ash should have kept Brady(MD) and Kenny (a couple of studs in the NBA) on staff and maybe stole a assistant from Nova!
I would take a shot on Legs if Ash doesn't get a contract extension...
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Post by MisterD on Mar 11, 2021 10:35:40 GMT -5
Any other AAU coaches you'd consider if Legler doesn't show interest next time around?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 11, 2021 10:46:08 GMT -5
Any other AAU coaches you'd consider if Legler doesn't show interest next time around? Any other assistant coaches who rode on the head coach's success but had no head coaching experience you'd consider next time around?
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 11, 2021 11:15:27 GMT -5
Legs made some really good assessments on helping to build a program as a Coach.. Around the (44:00 mark)The explanation of a Organization or a program on handling a young player (Rasheed Wallace)was spot on..almost similar to what you expect from a collegiate program..Whereas this school i feel is losing to many big men and underdeveloped players! Ash was to bring in a pipeline of players especially locally to the program thru his high recruiting skills but I believe Jay Wright name along with Villanova facilities can make for a easy decisions...Whereas Legs was coaching a bunch of high 3star and some 4 or better star players yearly which can make him a good recruiter.. coaching on the circuit of EYBL, ADIDAS GAUNTLET, UA, and having access to other players as well.. And last he was so detail about bringing in people or coaches who knew more about building and running a program than he did Whereas he can focus on the Xs and Os of the game...something i feel Ash didn't do enough of and tried to make this Nova instead of The Explorers...He loved the way Howard went to his Alma Mater and brought in ppl to make things work...Maybe Ash should have kept Brady(MD) and Kenny (a couple of studs in the NBA) on staff and maybe stole a assistant from Nova! I would take a shot on Legs if Ash doesn't get a contract extension... 1) Brady was already at Maryland when G was let go. Plus he makes much more money at Maryland 2) It would have been nice to keep Kenny Johnson but Ash didn’t make that decision the school did 3) No Villanova assistant is following Ash to La Salle. A) the money B) Jay has job security C) easier to parlay a Nova asst gig into a head job than it is to do being a La Salle asst. The only people who would have followed were grad assistants. And Jay is almost to the point with that program that like Duke he can fill out his staff with former Villanova players and they will be fine
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Post by MisterD on Mar 11, 2021 11:27:29 GMT -5
Any other AAU coaches you'd consider if Legler doesn't show interest next time around? Any other assistant coaches who rode on the head coach's success but had no head coaching experience you'd consider next time around? Absolutely. Dozens if not more.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 11, 2021 11:30:05 GMT -5
If you hire an Econ major from Yale and they don’t work out, do you rule out the Ivy League and hire a plumber into the same role the next time around?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 11, 2021 11:38:46 GMT -5
Any other assistant coaches who rode on the head coach's success but had no head coaching experience you'd consider next time around? Absolutely. Dozens if not more. hopefully they put you on the search committee next year
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Post by brotherteliow on Mar 11, 2021 13:08:27 GMT -5
hopefully they put you on the search committee next year They should put your ass on the search committee to get your input, Glitter. You have loads of opinions and "hot takes" about the program and the University; usually wrong ones.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 11, 2021 13:15:21 GMT -5
hopefully they put you on the search committee next year They should put your ass on the search committee I don't own a donkey, but great suggestion.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 11, 2021 14:48:54 GMT -5
hopefully they put you on the search committee next year Maybe for the early rounds, at a minimum. I can look up the coaching staffs of every successful major conference team or highly ranked team then read their assistant coach bios. Like, just to choose a school completely at random ... Gonzaga. Tommy Lloyd: 20 years on staff, appears to be the de-facto associate HC and logical successor to Few Roger Powell Jr: NBA experience, assistant at Valpo, associate at Vandy and now in his 2nd season at Gonzaga Brian Michaelson: 8th season with Few plus some basketball ops experience Now, do those resumes make those three hypothetical candidates more qualified than a guy with no college or pro coaching experience but who was an alum? Yes. Without any possible question. I don't want to have to serve on the committee because I want to give Coach Howard more time, but if the time does eventually come, feel free to reach out via PM here.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 11, 2021 15:01:25 GMT -5
Sielski had an interesting piece on John Gallagher today and it got me thinking...a Big 5 job probably shouldn't be someone's first head coaching gig. www.inquirer.com/college-sports/john-gallagher-hartford-march-madness-20210311.html“If my first job was a Big Five job, no shot — I would have been fired,” he said. “This place let me grow and grow and grow. I could stay here forever for what this place has done for me.”
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 11, 2021 16:33:06 GMT -5
Narrator: He didn’t stay there forever.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 11, 2021 16:46:14 GMT -5
Narrator: He didn’t stay there forever. Read in Morgan Freeman's voice for dramatic effect
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Post by glorydays on Mar 11, 2021 16:54:59 GMT -5
I had the opportunity to meet John as he was one of Billy Hahn's assistants. I was really impressed with the guy but I remember thinking he was too nice to make it as a HC. I was wrong. I am very happy for his success.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 11, 2021 20:40:06 GMT -5
Legs made some really good assessments on helping to build a program as a Coach.. Around the (44:00 mark)The explanation of a Organization or a program on handling a young player (Rasheed Wallace)was spot on..almost similar to what you expect from a collegiate program..Whereas this school i feel is losing to many big men and underdeveloped players! Ash was to bring in a pipeline of players especially locally to the program thru his high recruiting skills but I believe Jay Wright name along with Villanova facilities can make for a easy decisions...Whereas Legs was coaching a bunch of high 3star and some 4 or better star players yearly which can make him a good recruiter.. coaching on the circuit of EYBL, ADIDAS GAUNTLET, UA, and having access to other players as well.. And last he was so detail about bringing in people or coaches who knew more about building and running a program than he did Whereas he can focus on the Xs and Os of the game...something i feel Ash didn't do enough of and tried to make this Nova instead of The Explorers...He loved the way Howard went to his Alma Mater and brought in ppl to make things work...Maybe Ash should have kept Brady(MD) and Kenny (a couple of studs in the NBA) on staff and maybe stole a assistant from Nova! I would take a shot on Legs if Ash doesn't get a contract extension... One thing that I'll be interested to see is will the recruiting pool change at all with the switch from UA to Adidas. Sounds a little odd, but there are definitely pipelines from AU/Nike/Adidas high schools and AAUs to similar colleges.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 11, 2021 22:53:34 GMT -5
fwiw, here are the circuits that the 13 players on the roster to start the season and the two commits played in:
ua - kenney, gill, hikim (dc premier); beatty, clark (philly pride); brickus (wer1); stone (b.maze elite) nike/eybl - spencer (team wall); izay (team durant); shepherd (team final); marrero (ny lightning) adidas - ray, ward (k-low elite)
kimbrough (jersey force) and moore (hoopdreamz) played for aau programs that weren't affiliated with a brand.
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Post by vital on Mar 12, 2021 7:01:26 GMT -5
fwiw, here are the circuits that the 13 players on the roster to start the season and the two commits played in: ua - kenney, gill, hikim (dc premier); beatty, clark (philly pride); brickus (wer1); stone (b.maze elite) nike/eybl - spencer (team wall); izay (team durant); shepherd (team final); marrero (ny lightning) adidas - ray, ward (k-low elite) kimbrough (jersey force) and moore (hoopdreamz) played for aau programs that weren't affiliated with a brand. please understand that ALL AAU teams has 2-3 teams A-squad and B-squad and the C-squad play in smaller local tournaments that don't travel! A farm systems for kids to elevate to the top team throughout their HS years..Some AAU stage is just as big as some mid-major or high majors games..check this summer when things open up in the Las Vegas tournament!
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Post by glorydays on Mar 12, 2021 8:20:05 GMT -5
fwiw, here are the circuits that the 13 players on the roster to start the season and the two commits played in: ua - kenney, gill, hikim (dc premier); beatty, clark (philly pride); brickus (wer1); stone (b.maze elite) nike/eybl - spencer (team wall); izay (team durant); shepherd (team final); marrero (ny lightning) adidas - ray, ward (k-low elite) kimbrough (jersey force) and moore (hoopdreamz) played for aau programs that weren't affiliated with a brand. diehard, this is interesting stuff. I am not trying to push Legs as our next coach. Howard was the obvious choice 3 years ago. I remember posting then something like if Legs wanted to be a college HC he would probably have to start off at a place like Neumann or Rowan. I think he deserved consideration and got it. At least that is what we were led to believe. I wonder what and if the sneaker connection is to Legs and if that means a damn thing related to his AAU experience. Back to Ash...in sideways conversation couple of days ago, some CYO / AAU guys were discussing Ash's efforts here in Delaware. The man is hustling....
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 12, 2021 9:48:17 GMT -5
fwiw, here are the circuits that the 13 players on the roster to start the season and the two commits played in: ua - kenney, gill, hikim (dc premier); beatty, clark (philly pride); brickus (wer1); stone (b.maze elite) nike/eybl - spencer (team wall); izay (team durant); shepherd (team final); marrero (ny lightning) adidas - ray, ward (k-low elite) kimbrough (jersey force) and moore (hoopdreamz) played for aau programs that weren't affiliated with a brand. please understand that ALL AAU teams has 2-3 teams A-squad and B-squad and the C-squad play in smaller local tournaments that don't travel! A farm systems for kids to elevate to the top team throughout their HS years..Some AAU stage is just as big as some mid-major or high majors games..check this summer when things open up in the Las Vegas tournament! i understand how aau works. all of these recruits played on their aau program's a-squad.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 12, 2021 9:57:55 GMT -5
fwiw, here are the circuits that the 13 players on the roster to start the season and the two commits played in: ua - kenney, gill, hikim (dc premier); beatty, clark (philly pride); brickus (wer1); stone (b.maze elite) nike/eybl - spencer (team wall); izay (team durant); shepherd (team final); marrero (ny lightning) adidas - ray, ward (k-low elite) kimbrough (jersey force) and moore (hoopdreamz) played for aau programs that weren't affiliated with a brand. diehard, this is interesting stuff. I am not trying to push Legs as our next coach. Howard was the obvious choice 3 years ago. I remember posting then something like if Legs wanted to be a college HC he would probably have to start off at a place like Neumann or Rowan. I think he deserved consideration and got it. At least that is what we were led to believe. I wonder what and if the sneaker connection is to Legs and if that means a damn thing related to his AAU experience. Back to Ash...in sideways conversation couple of days ago, some CYO / AAU guys were discussing Ash's efforts here in Delaware. The man is hustling.... i know some people here disagree with me on this, but i really don't have any issue with ash's recruiting. i would give him a solid b+ and probably better. it is not for lack of effort, him and his staff are out there pounding the pavement like you said. you have to consider the obstacles (facilities and recent program performance) he faces when evaluating how well he recruits. if people think he's going to start getting higher-rated players, i think they're deluding themselves. my issue is the coaching. he's fallen short. i get that he played a lot of young players, but so did a lot of other teams. la salle got worse as the year went on, making the same mistakes and not always being ready to play from the tip. to me, that's an x and o problem more than anything. i'm just hoping the light goes on for him in the next year. if the core stays and he finds a contributor or two on the portal, then the talent should be good enough to finish in the top half of the league. the question is can he coach them up to that.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 12, 2021 10:12:06 GMT -5
i know some people here disagree with me on this, but i really don't have any issue with ash's recruiting. i would give him a solid b+ and probably better. it is not for lack of effort, him and his staff are out there pounding the pavement like you said. you have to consider the obstacles (facilities and recent program performance) he faces when evaluating how well he recruits. if people think he's going to start getting higher-rated players, i think they're deluding themselves. my issue is the coaching. he's fallen short. i get that he played a lot of young players, but so did a lot of other teams. la salle got worse as the year went on, making the same mistakes and not always being ready to play from the tip. to me, that's an x and o problem more than anything. i'm just hoping the light goes on for him in the next year. if the core stays and he finds a contributor or two on the portal, then the talent should be good enough to finish in the top half of the league. the question is can he coach them up to that. This has been my feeling. I think recruiting has been good. Player development and retention have been lousy. When people say, "We need better players," I disagree. We need someone better at teaching the Xs and Os, being a better game-day coach, being better at reading and adjusting. Maybe Ash needs a better assistant coach to help teach this stuff. As I said in another thread, it isn't that we lost, it's the WAY we lost...multiple times. Ed leaving showed me something was wrong. Finishing 12th showed me something is wrong. Losing 2x to St. Joe's and once to Fordham showed me something is wrong. I want to see something that's right with this program.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 12, 2021 10:24:30 GMT -5
Ed leaving showed me something was wrong. Will never understand this. You don't know why Ed left and, at the moment, Ed leaving was a bad decision FOR ED. It might play out better in the long run, but the kid has played the equivalent of 4.5 games this season. He's averaging less than seven minutes a game. And nobody knows WHY he left. He could have thought he was bigger time. Someone could have told him that. Or Ash could have told him that Clifton Moore and Jared Kimbrough were going to eat all of his minutes. Without that knowledge, let's not hold Ed going to Providence to ride the bench as some sort of data point.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 12, 2021 10:29:56 GMT -5
Ed leaving showed me something was wrong. Will never understand this. You don't know why Ed left and, at the moment, Ed leaving was a bad decision FOR ED. It might play out better in the long run, but the kid has played the equivalent of 4.5 games this season. He's averaging less than seven minutes a game. And nobody knows WHY he left. He could have thought he was bigger time. Someone could have told him that. Or Ash could have told him that Clifton Moore and Jared Kimbrough were going to eat all of his minutes. Without that knowledge, let's not hold Ed going to Providence to ride the bench as some sort of data point. One player leaving mid season is a data point. Three leaving mid season is a trend
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 12, 2021 10:40:19 GMT -5
Players he recruited, sure. Not Ed.
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