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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 9, 2021 17:45:50 GMT -5
Talked about coaching. I timestamped if you’re interested. He’s very certain he’d be great. I’d bet he reads this board. overcast.fm/+OV_wJ8WNQ/41:19
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 9, 2021 17:49:47 GMT -5
By the way, he never mentioned La Salle and definitely took a shot at Ash Howard. Top notch.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 9, 2021 19:16:03 GMT -5
What shot at Ash?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 9, 2021 20:38:48 GMT -5
Said the reason a guy is an assistant coach for 15 years is because he wasn't good enough to make it at the next level of playing, and colleges shouldn't be just targeting people with assistant coaching experience, but playing experience at the next level, and unfortunately he comes in second to those guys who never played in the NBA.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 9, 2021 20:43:22 GMT -5
I think a medical condition cut Ashley's playing career short.... but I could be wrong.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 9, 2021 21:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 9, 2021 21:09:22 GMT -5
I think a medical condition cut Ashley's playing career short.... but I could be wrong. I’m sure Legs knows that.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 9, 2021 21:12:43 GMT -5
I listen to Legs a lot on NBA radio. He speaks fondly of LaSalle and I have never heard him mention being a finalist for the La Salle job.
He has told some good La Salle stories. One was about his freshman year. The Explos were playing in Buffalo (I think Canisius). La Salle wins a fairly close game. After the game Legs’ mom sees Lefty and the assistant coaches in the hotel lobby, walks up to them and says “the game wouldn’t have been as close if you played Timmy more.” He said he wanted to disappear. He said the coaches all just smiled and never mentioned the incident to him.
It was a segment on parents who go too far...I gotta like a guy who can tell that kind of story.
Once again, I believe that Ash was the best hire at the time. I guess we are going to learn more as we continue on this journey.
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Post by roaddog77 on Mar 9, 2021 21:46:36 GMT -5
To answer about Ash playing career is that his career was cut short while playing at Drexel in his second or third years with a serious heart condition and that started Ash coaching career.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 10, 2021 5:31:44 GMT -5
I think that in the interview Legs was reflecting upon being a college head coaching finalist 3 times and not getting the jobs. I didn’t see it necessarily as sour grapes about La Salle. I thought his main thrust was using Juwan Howard as a model. He is a friend of Juwan Howard’s. Of course, Juwan was an assistant in the NBA before taking the Michigan job. Another message of Legs was that he didn’t want to give up his ESPN job to become a college assistant. He also paid heavy props to Martelli.
Yes, there was a focus on a Howard but it was Juwan Howard....
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 10, 2021 7:54:06 GMT -5
I wish I had an ounce of the confidence he has in himself
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 10, 2021 7:57:04 GMT -5
From afar Legs may or may not have been the answer. We will never know.
La Salle made the logical choice when hiring Ash. Not many are going to dispute that.
However, Legs is 100% correct in that La Salle and other schools also need to think outside the box when hiring coaches. We are at a disadvantage and traditional thinking has proven to not work when making decisions about La Salle basketball.
Playing Monday Morning Quarterback I don’t see how he could have been a worse pick. It doesn’t get much worse than after year three we remain at the bottom of the conference and on the verge of tearing it down and starting it back up again.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 10, 2021 8:22:26 GMT -5
I will say he goes on for a while talking about Juwan Howard and Michigan bringing in Martelli and how he would’ve done the exact same thing with a veteran coach coming with him. I can see a scenario where La Salle is interviewing him for the head-coaching job and even though he has a world of confidence he requires to hire a likely expensive veteran head coach assistant. “So you’re telling me I have to hire you and an expensive former head coach assistant because you don’t know what you are doing?” not exactly the best sales pitch to an AD making his first big hire
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 10, 2021 8:53:13 GMT -5
I will say he goes on for a while talking about Juwan Howard and Michigan bringing in Martelli and how he would’ve done the exact same thing with a veteran coach coming with him. I can see a scenario where La Salle is interviewing him for the head-coaching job and even though he has a world of confidence he requires to hire a likely expensive veteran head coach assistant. “So you’re telling me I have to hire you and an expensive former head coach assistant because you don’t know what you are doing?” not exactly the best sales pitch to an AD making his first big hire Interesting and you could be right. However, La Salle should have seen Ash has no experience on the bench as a head coach surrounding him and very little experience in the assistant coaches as well in comparison to other programs. If La Salle thought that than they deserve what they got. It comes down to commitment to winning and giving enough resources to the program to succeed. If that was the case they did Ash no favors either. If they are not willing to invest in the facilities, they should invest in the coaching staff.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 10, 2021 9:11:03 GMT -5
I'll go on the record and say that if the misery continues and Ash gets canned next year, I would be all for trying the Legler thing. But I'd want another former NBA guy on the bench. Because that has to be the selling point. That you can take a marginal mid-major guy and give him connections to the league.
I know I'm being a hypocrite, but it's outside the box.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 10, 2021 10:06:24 GMT -5
Someone ask Legler if thinking outside the box would include hiring a former-player non-coach with vast overseas experience like K'Zell or a former-player non-coach with non-basketball managerial leadership experience or if thinking outside the box is narrow enough to just mean former-player non-coach "me".
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Post by MisterD on Mar 10, 2021 10:11:07 GMT -5
After the game Legs’ mom sees Lefty and the assistant coaches in the hotel lobby, walks up to them and says “the game wouldn’t have been as close if you played Timmy more.” He said he wanted to disappear. He said the coaches all just smiled and never mentioned the incident to him. It was a segment on parents who go too far...I gotta like a guy who can tell that kind of story. How are you not drawing a straight line from that story to the current situation?
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Post by glorydays on Mar 10, 2021 10:30:17 GMT -5
After the game Legs’ mom sees Lefty and the assistant coaches in the hotel lobby, walks up to them and says “the game wouldn’t have been as close if you played Timmy more.” He said he wanted to disappear. He said the coaches all just smiled and never mentioned the incident to him. It was a segment on parents who go too far...I gotta like a guy who can tell that kind of story. How are you not drawing a straight line from that story to the current situation? MisterD, merely saying that Legs is a likable down to earth guy. Maybe it was a crooked line.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 10, 2021 10:35:48 GMT -5
I'll go on the record and say that if the misery continues and Ash gets canned next year, I would be all for trying the Legler thing. But I'd want another former NBA guy on the bench. Because that has to be the selling point. That you can take a marginal mid-major guy and give him connections to the league. I know I'm being a hypocrite, but it's outside the box. Well, we thought outside to box before. We hired a guy who played for La Salle, played in the NBA, and had no professional or college coaching experience. His name was Tom Gola.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 10, 2021 10:36:15 GMT -5
But its also a story about his mother viewing him as uniquely special as he's lobbying for a job he has no qualifications for. I know nothing of Legler the person and maybe he's great, but a passive-aggressive campaign against your alma mater unless they hire you is shit.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 10, 2021 10:45:26 GMT -5
But its also a story about his mother viewing him as uniquely special as he's lobbying for a job he has no qualifications for. I know nothing of Legler the person and maybe he's great, but a passive-aggressive campaign against your alma mater unless they hire you is shit. Jesus, MisterD! Even my mom thinks I am special. What’s your mom think of you?
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Post by sweat83 on Mar 10, 2021 11:05:32 GMT -5
I'll go on the record and say that if the misery continues and Ash gets canned next year, I would be all for trying the Legler thing. But I'd want another former NBA guy on the bench. Because that has to be the selling point. That you can take a marginal mid-major guy and give him connections to the league. I know I'm being a hypocrite, but it's outside the box. Well, we thought outside to box before. We hired a guy who played for La Salle, played in the NBA, and had no professional or college coaching experience. His name was Tom Gola. Same with Westhead, no?
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 10, 2021 11:46:42 GMT -5
Well, we thought outside to box before. We hired a guy who played for La Salle, played in the NBA, and had no professional or college coaching experience. His name was Tom Gola. Same with Westhead, no? Speedy as well. We may be on to something.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 10, 2021 11:52:07 GMT -5
I'm with Joe, if Ash doesn't work out, La Salle can revisit the Legler possibility, and Tim would only be 55 or 56 at that time. We had both G and Matt Brady on the coaching staff, so I'm sure a big time assistant could come here, maybe even Dunphy for 2 years. Just because somebody wasn't the right hire 3 years ago doesn't mean they won't be the right hire 2 years from now. But we aren't there yet.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 10, 2021 13:18:03 GMT -5
Jesus, MisterD! Even my mom thinks I am special. What’s your mom think of you? If I told my mom I was lobbying to be the next head coach of La Salle basketball, I trust she'd say "why would they want to hire you?"
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 10, 2021 13:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by golasalle on Mar 10, 2021 17:40:28 GMT -5
Well, we thought outside to box before. We hired a guy who played for La Salle, played in the NBA, and had no professional or college coaching experience. His name was Tom Gola. Same with Westhead, no? Not sure what you are saying is the "same" with Westhead but Westhead didn't play for La Salle (St. Joe (PA)) and never played in the NBA. Not sure if he was a college assistant before La Salle but he was the head coach of Cheltenham HS and coached one Craig Littlepage I believe.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 10, 2021 17:59:13 GMT -5
Not sure what you are saying is the "same" with Westhead but Westhead didn't play for La Salle (St. Joe (PA)) and never played in the NBA. Not sure if he was a college assistant before La Salle but he was the head coach of Cheltenham HS and coached one Craig Littlepage I believe. westhead played at st joe's (pa), coached at cheltenham hs, and then was an assistant at st joe's (pa) under jack mckinney. la salle hired him after tom gola resigned.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 10, 2021 18:44:45 GMT -5
Westhead probably got hired at St. Joe’s as McKinney may have thought There was a shot that Littlepage would come along...but Littlepage ended up at Penn. Westhead could get a little flaky but he was a hell of a hire in 1970.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 10, 2021 18:45:54 GMT -5
Jesus, MisterD! Even my mom thinks I am special. What’s your mom think of you? If I told my mom I was lobbying to be the next head coach of La Salle basketball, I trust she'd say "why would they want to hire you?" Yes, but your mom still thinks your perfect. If I told my mom I was lobbying to be the next head coach of La Salle basketball she would tell me to raise my expectations. Speaking of families, Gnocchi has brought up Quinnie’s Baker Dunleavy. He is married to UD coach Martin Ingelsby’s sister. So like at the Inglelsby Thanksgiving Dinner, Martin has to eat with a brother in law who makes twice as much as him. Some things ain’t right. ( I would like to see Ingelsby in the A-10 before he goes to South Bend...)
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