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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 6, 2021 15:01:04 GMT -5
I only saw the first 15 minutes and the last 5 minutes of the game. Fordham didn't look like the Fordham we saw earlier in the year. I don't know what the hell Jeff Neubauer was doing with this team, but they looked a lot better under his successor. The 20 total minutes I saw, La Salle didn't look bad at all. I think you just have to tip your hat to Fordham on this one. Seemed like we had a chance 2nd half but their clutch 3 point shooting closed the door on us or so it seemed. Our notably lackluster 1st half seemed to really help them establish a solid lead and perhaps "believe". They didn't fold as we tried to mount 2nd half rallies.
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Post by glorydays on Feb 6, 2021 15:03:10 GMT -5
Is now a good time to give up on the emotional investment in this program? I think so. I will look in but I won’t be planning my day around game time anymore. It’s too painful. It is easier to watch when you expect them to lose. It is better to be pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 6, 2021 15:03:31 GMT -5
You can have your Dayton, Richmond, and St. Louis wins.
They mean zero when you lose to 1-9 Fordham.
The program remains inconsistent. Ash is still going to have a losing record. Props on those wins but we are not as advanced as many believe IMO.
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Post by heftyexpl on Feb 6, 2021 15:26:52 GMT -5
Is now a good time to give up on the emotional investment in this program? I think so. I will look in but I won’t be planning my day around game time anymore. It’s too painful. It is easier to watch when you expect them to lose. It is better to be pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed. Positive and Negative to come from Fordham game Negative - we lost Positive - canceling my Espn + subscription again so i can go back to saving $4.99 a month (or basically $60 annually) wohoo!!
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Post by heftyexpl on Feb 6, 2021 15:35:13 GMT -5
You can have your Dayton, Richmond, and St. Louis wins. They mean zero when you lose to 1-9 Fordham. The program remains inconsistent. Ash is still going to have a losing record. Props on those wins but we are not as advanced as many believe IMO. to be this pessimistic must take a lot of energy.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 6, 2021 15:41:23 GMT -5
You can have your Dayton, Richmond, and St. Louis wins. They mean zero when you lose to 1-9 Fordham. The program remains inconsistent. Ash is still going to have a losing record. Props on those wins but we are not as advanced as many believe IMO. to be this pessimistic must take a lot of energy. Reality bites.
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Post by heftyexpl on Feb 6, 2021 16:10:35 GMT -5
to be this pessimistic must take a lot of energy. Reality bites. Just hard to fathom how taking down the preseason picks to finish 1 2 and 3 doesnt count for anything. Yes we lost to a 1 win fordham team. But they shot the lights out. Hit every big 3 down the stretch. La salle still battled to the end. This is a young team, made up of mostly freshman and sophomores with a coach in his 3rd year. Yes we'll prob end the season with a losing record, but you gotta be able to take a step back and see the bigger picture. We're trending in the right direction.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 6, 2021 16:30:50 GMT -5
Just hard to fathom how taking down the preseason picks to finish 1 2 and 3 doesnt count for anything. Yes we lost to a 1 win fordham team. But they shot the lights out. Hit every big 3 down the stretch. La salle still battled to the end. This is a young team, made up of mostly freshman and sophomores with a coach in his 3rd year. Yes we'll prob end the season with a losing record, but you gotta be able to take a step back and see the bigger picture. We're trending in the right direction. And should we beat the Bonnies it won't count either because we will probable lose to St Joes just kidding.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 6, 2021 16:44:07 GMT -5
Fordham didn't really shoot lights out though...except from the foul line.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 6, 2021 16:46:20 GMT -5
Fordham didn't really shoot lights out though...except from the foul line. clutch 3s I thought
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 6, 2021 16:49:49 GMT -5
Just hard to fathom how taking down the preseason picks to finish 1 2 and 3 doesnt count for anything. Yes we lost to a 1 win fordham team. But they shot the lights out. Hit every big 3 down the stretch. La salle still battled to the end. This is a young team, made up of mostly freshman and sophomores with a coach in his 3rd year. Yes we'll prob end the season with a losing record, but you gotta be able to take a step back and see the bigger picture. We're trending in the right direction. And should we beat the Bonnies it won't count either because we will probable lose to St Joes just kidding. bonnies will be playing angry after today's loss to st. Louis
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Post by vital on Feb 6, 2021 16:50:26 GMT -5
Trying to understand why Jared didn't play but only 4mins today???
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 6, 2021 16:50:55 GMT -5
And should we beat the Bonnies it won't count either because we will probable lose to St Joes just kidding. bonnies will be playing angry after today's loss to st. Louis Well that makes 2 of us!
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Post by walkon on Feb 6, 2021 16:58:19 GMT -5
this game was so predictable. too much of a hole created first half. woke up a bit the 2nd. Fordham played themselves! proud You, DELSU, and walkon were scared of this game all week. it didn’t help going from a big win against allegedly a really good team to playing the team with the second worst record that we beat by 37. we didn’t play well, that’s for sure. But I think it’s safe to say we took Fordham lightly and we deserved to lose it if we did. Can’t take any team in this league lightly. Ask St Louis, Dayton, and Richmond that.
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Post by walkon on Feb 6, 2021 16:59:10 GMT -5
Trying to understand why Jared didn't play but only 4mins today??? That’s my biggest question. Cliff isn’t physical enough for a guy like Soriano, and while I hope he isn’t injured that would be the only explanation to sit him. He has been the difference in all of our recent wins. also, Christian played his ass off. Only positive in my mind today. That kid has heart.
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Post by calsufan on Feb 6, 2021 17:10:34 GMT -5
Fordham didn't really shoot lights out though...except from the foul line. 52% from 2PT territory 44% from 3PT territory and 91% from the free throw line certainly counts as shooting the lights out. And look at their YTD stats before this game. Their numbers were putrid in all 3 categories. So yeah, any way you measure it, they shot the lights out. Now if you want to argue we shouldn't have lost regardless, I'm right there with you.
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Post by heftyexpl on Feb 6, 2021 17:20:39 GMT -5
Fordham didn't really shoot lights out though...except from the foul line. Going into the game Perry was shooting 17% from 3 then knocked down 6 against us. In the final 6 minutes Fordham responded with a 3 of their after we just hit one. 5:43 Birckus 3 (cut lead to 5) 5:25 Cobb 3 5:09 beatty 3 (cut lead to 5) 4:20 chris austin 3 3:20 clark 3 (cut lead to 7) 2:50 perry 3 Imo, credit to fordham they hit the big shots when we tried to get close.
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Post by big5explorer on Feb 6, 2021 21:21:44 GMT -5
After beating St Louis, this is as La Salle a loss as it gets.
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Post by coachd on Feb 6, 2021 22:52:46 GMT -5
As Robert Plant once sang "What is and what should never be". And if you say to me tomorrow.... and you will be Mad by taking our time!
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Post by hykos1045 on Feb 7, 2021 10:10:13 GMT -5
Some in this thread not giving Fordham the credit they deserve. This wasn't just a loss to "1-9" Fordham, it was a loss to hungry, talented Fordham that did in fact shoot lights out and protected the ball well despite our attempts to bring pressure. Perhaps overlooked by most, we were also missing 26 points of production from the earlier season blowout against Fordham (Hikim 10, Spencer 16).
A guy that averages 18% from three for Fordham hit 6 of them himself. We gave away crucial points at the free throw line too. It seems like shooting at a clear backboard threw many of our guys' depth perception off. And, for those who blamed Ash for game planning, they really needed Soriano to get in foul trouble, but he played within his game and didn't create liability.
Unlike other times we had a letdown game in the past, I did not feel like turnovers or poor shot selection or being asleep on assignments were our downfall. We never really played ourselves out of this game, either.
When you beat Fordham 9/10 times, as La Salle has, it just becomes overly expected. I know we are all disappointed in the outcome but can we please not overreact, just like we did not overreact after we beat a once ranked St Louis because "COVID rust was obviously a factor." Just take this L for what it is and move on to the next game.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 7, 2021 10:34:36 GMT -5
Some in this thread not giving Fordham the credit they deserve. This wasn't just a loss to "1-9" Fordham, it was a loss to hungry, talented Fordham that did in fact shoot lights out and protected the ball well despite our attempts to bring pressure. Perhaps overlooked by most, we were also missing 26 points of production from the earlier season blowout against Fordham (Hikim 10, Spencer 16). A guy that averages 18% from three for Fordham hit 6 of them himself. We gave away crucial points at the free throw line too. It seems like shooting at a clear backboard threw many of our guys' depth perception off. And, for those who blamed Ash for game planning, they really needed Soriano to get in foul trouble, but he played within his game and didn't create liability. Unlike other times we had a letdown game in the past, I did not feel like turnovers or poor shot selection or being asleep on assignments were our downfall. We never really played ourselves out of this game, either. When you beat Fordham 9/10 times, as La Salle has, it just becomes overly expected. I know we are all disappointed in the outcome but can we please not overreact, just like we did not overreact after we beat a once ranked St Louis because "COVID rust was obviously a factor." Just take this L for what it is and move on to the next game. Disagree here. 1) Saying this is OK because we didn't have Hikim or Spencer doesn't hold water. Hikim is gone..and we had bad losses WITH Hikim and Spencer (Army, St. Peter's, George Mason, etc.). We also beat SLU without Hikim and Spencer (granted..COVID rust). 2) Maybe when the kid shooting 18% got hot, we shouldn't have given him easy looks...that's in-game adjustment. 3) Soriano played within himself because we gave him no resistance and didn't body him. Disrupt him, use Izay to body him and make him work if Moore is afraid of the contact. 4) Turnovers were absolutely our downfall. We had a lot of dumb unforced ones...especially in the last 10 minutes of the first half that helped Fordham. We were up 17-16 with 10 minutes left in the half and then down 37-24 at halftime...largely due to 5 turnovers in that 10-minute span. We also chucked a bunch of bad 3's. Can't do that against a team you are supposed to beat.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 7, 2021 10:40:05 GMT -5
Anybody else hate Rose Hill in the daylight? We are the last fan base that should be casting any stones when it comes to facilities. This one is historic and I personally like it. It just presents a glare on television.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 7, 2021 10:43:57 GMT -5
Fordham stinks, PERIOD.
For them they played well. We gave up 76 points to a severely offensively challenged team.
Nothing you can say to justify what happened yesterday.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 7, 2021 10:53:05 GMT -5
They shot nearly 60% from three in the second half.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 7, 2021 11:07:03 GMT -5
Fordham stinks, PERIOD. For them they played well. We gave us 76 points to a severely offensively challenged team. Nothing you can say to justify what happened yesterday. Is someone trying to justify what happened? I suspect not. I do not think so. I think some folks may not be ready to totally write off the coach and team (perhaps not yet) and use this performance to support this position. For some this might not be a this is it moment!!! .
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 7, 2021 11:15:30 GMT -5
Fordham stinks, PERIOD. For them they played well. We gave us 76 points to a severely offensively challenged team. Nothing you can say to justify what happened yesterday. Is someone trying to justify what happened? I suspect not. I do not think so. I think some folks may not be ready to totally write off the coach and team (perhaps not yet) and use this performance to support this position. For some this might not be a this is it moment!!! . That is fine and understandable. The other side holds true as well. I am not writing anything off. I have said for the longest time consistency is a problem and that is what I have been waiting for from the program. That is all. I never said fire Ash. He has until end of next year to prove he has improved the program. Even with that mindset it doesn’t mean what I saw yesterday was acceptable. To answer your point Hykos was asking why we can’t get more credit to Fordham. I don’t want to give them credit because we took them lightly yesterday and paid the price for that.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 7, 2021 11:33:35 GMT -5
Is someone trying to justify what happened? I suspect not. I do not think so. I think some folks may not be ready to totally write off the coach and team (perhaps not yet) and use this performance to support this position. For some this might not be a this is it moment!!! . That is fine and understandable. The other side holds true as well. I am not writing anything off. I have said for the longest time consistency is a problem and that is what I have been waiting for from the program. That is all. I never said fire Ash. He has until end of next year to prove he has improved the program. Even with that mindset it doesn’t mean what I saw yesterday was acceptable. To answer your point Hykos was asking why we can’t get more credit to Fordham. I don’t want to give them credit because we took them lightly yesterday and paid the price for that. Agree, inconsistency is a major problem. There is too much of it. Hopefully we can do some looking at it without it being seen as making excuses or justifying it. I think I can also agree with the point we should not have taken Fordham lightly. Our first half performance particularly miffed me as this seemed to be so. It was so so obvious they would be psyched for this game. For the most part I thought we rallied the 2nd half. Perhaps agreeing with hykos I have to say Fordham brought a game particularly that 2nd half that stood us down. I did not think they had it in them.
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 7, 2021 11:40:57 GMT -5
I had to avoid the board watching that mess yesterday. This program's inability in last two decades to sustain success seems to be it's most consistent trait. Frustrating, but get an opportunity to rebound right away and no time to feel sorry for ourselves
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 7, 2021 12:08:45 GMT -5
The problem was that we played terrible basketball in the first half. We shot the ball poorly, and turned the ball 9 times. Fordham was not a hot shooting team in the first half, except from the foul line. This team does not have the fire power to come back from 15 points down. Yes, on any given day or night, we have 5 or 6 guys that can score 18 points a game, but nobody on this team averages 10 points per game. Nobody has shown the capability to go off for 30 points on a given night. Getting to the line, and making free throws become huge issues, because we are unable to stop runs, especially when shooting goes ice cold from the field. We struggle to get the ball inside, or drive the lane, so we don't get to the foul line. This is critical in stopping an opposing team's run.
Combine the offensive struggles with inconsistent defense, and it's a recipe for an upset. Yes, Fordham shot 6-12 from 3 in the second half, a tip of the cap to them. How many of those 3's were the result of cheating on defense and getting burned on a ball reversal or extra pass? I'm going to watch the DVR later today. Sleep walking through the first half because we beat a team by 40 a month a ago burned the Explos. Where the frustration comes into play is this team hasn't accomplished squat to afford themselves the leeway to take halves off. An 8-10 team that coming off a 500 season last year and a 10 win season 2 years ago shouldn't be feeling themselves.
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Post by walkon on Feb 7, 2021 12:09:15 GMT -5
Some in this thread not giving Fordham the credit they deserve. This wasn't just a loss to "1-9" Fordham, it was a loss to hungry, talented Fordham that did in fact shoot lights out and protected the ball well despite our attempts to bring pressure. Perhaps overlooked by most, we were also missing 26 points of production from the earlier season blowout against Fordham (Hikim 10, Spencer 16). A guy that averages 18% from three for Fordham hit 6 of them himself. We gave away crucial points at the free throw line too. It seems like shooting at a clear backboard threw many of our guys' depth perception off. And, for those who blamed Ash for game planning, they really needed Soriano to get in foul trouble, but he played within his game and didn't create liability. Unlike other times we had a letdown game in the past, I did not feel like turnovers or poor shot selection or being asleep on assignments were our downfall. We never really played ourselves out of this game, either. When you beat Fordham 9/10 times, as La Salle has, it just becomes overly expected. I know we are all disappointed in the outcome but can we please not overreact, just like we did not overreact after we beat a once ranked St Louis because "COVID rust was obviously a factor." Just take this L for what it is and move on to the next game. agree. And let’s not forget they just fired Jeff, an explorer alumnus. They rose to the occasion (no pun intended). Some on this board like to mock Fordham, but I consider them La Salle of New York City. We have been on the bottom many seasons -maybe not to the extent of Fordham this year, but I sympathize with them. I think it’s a great school in an urban environment but like us, find it challenging to recruit and have solid programs. I don’t have anything bad to say about Fordham I just wish a game like that didn’t have to come at our expense. This all comes on top of a horrible string of luck with COVID this season which could just have easily been us. Let’s move on and hope Wednesday isn’t a bloodbath.
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