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Post by big5explorer on Jan 10, 2021 10:54:50 GMT -5
I was looking at the stats from yesterday's Umass loss and noticed there is a worrisome trend this year: this team is not getting to the free throw line.
Yesterday's loss was by 16 points. UMass made 18 more free throws in the game (22 vs 4).
I will leave the Lincoln game out of it, but here are this year's free throw attempts for La Salle, by game. In many of the games we have fewer attempts than the opponent has free throws made.
Army 12 Drexel 6 Umass 10 DELAWARE 18 Maryland 11 Dayton 11 Fordham 9 Umass 9
Curious as to what everyone's take on this might be. Are we not aggressive enough in driving to the basket? Are we simply launching too many outside shots and 3's? Are we just lacking a "Big" inside? Is this a system-thing, or a player problem?
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 10, 2021 11:29:28 GMT -5
We rarely take the ball to the rim. The guards that will take into the lane only Hikim is willing to take it to the rim. Even Brickus will drive the lane and pull up and shoot like a 6-8 footer. He is pretty good at it but he won't go to the rim. One of La Salle biggest problems is we don't have players than can break their man down and take it to the rim. I have said this for the past 5-7 years. When the 2013 team went to the Sweet 16 we had Galloway and Garland where were terrific at doing this. We need to find and recruit these players and get them into the program. The A-10's best programs have these players. This and the fact that Ash's offense is run to get open 3's I think makes this an issue for us with regard to shooting threes. As a third item, the refs hate us
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Post by sidclassof69 on Jan 10, 2021 12:40:35 GMT -5
IMO- Ash’s Offense is designed to run+ shoot 3’s- having a big man clearing boards- This type of offense is geared towards a small lineup, with a rim protector.It is not conducive to driving+ getting foul shots- just my opinion 🤔🤔
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Post by Fastchuck on Jan 10, 2021 13:03:10 GMT -5
We also lack a post up big like J. Wright who drew many of the fouls on the Galloway/Garland team. Croswell also. The down side for both of them was poor foul shooting and committing too many fouls. On the plus side they did have to be accounted for by the rim protectors. Also the refs hate us.
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Post by 23won on Jan 10, 2021 13:26:03 GMT -5
Agree with the replies above and will add that
Ash needs to work the refs more (I made a fairly long post earlier on this)
Gill is able to and does get to the rim. He shot 50% yesterday and was a bright spot. He also got hacked a bit on the way and got barely any calls
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Jan 10, 2021 19:05:02 GMT -5
IMO- Ash’s Offense is designed to run+ shoot 3’s- having a big man clearing boards- This type of offense is geared towards a small lineup, with a rim protector.It is not conducive to driving+ getting foul shots- just my opinion 🤔🤔 As much as Clifton Moore tries, IMO he is neither a truly effective rim protector or clearer of boards.
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Post by 23won on Jan 10, 2021 19:47:59 GMT -5
If only Ossi hadn’t prepped...
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Post by giveansk1 on Jan 11, 2021 9:10:39 GMT -5
La Salle is 335th in country in getting to the line and 324th in the country at converting at the line. It's very strange to be shooting 61% from the free throw line while converting 38% (29th in country) from 3.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 11, 2021 9:23:18 GMT -5
So what's the Bottom Line?
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Post by MisterD on Jan 11, 2021 9:37:01 GMT -5
La Salle is 335th in country in getting to the line and 324th in the country at converting at the line. It's very strange to be shooting 61% from the free throw line while converting 38% (29th in country) from 3. Maybe the guys taking the 3s aren't the guys taking the FTs?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 11, 2021 10:25:15 GMT -5
Kenney is shooting 44% from 3 (4th most attempts on team) but only 58% from the line..one of the lowest percentages on the team and he has the most attempts from the line...almost double the next player. I'd foul him outside the arc every time.
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Post by giveansk1 on Jan 11, 2021 10:39:40 GMT -5
La Salle is 335th in country in getting to the line and 324th in the country at converting at the line. It's very strange to be shooting 61% from the free throw line while converting 38% (29th in country) from 3. Maybe the guys taking the 3s aren't the guys taking the FTs? From Barttorvik.com
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Post by jellybean on Jan 11, 2021 10:41:40 GMT -5
La Salle is 335th in country in getting to the line and 324th in the country at converting at the line. It's very strange to be shooting 61% from the free throw line while converting 38% (29th in country) from 3. Excellent post. Saved me the time of posting. This is NOT about working the refs. It's all about Philosophy and no offensive rebounding.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 11, 2021 10:44:52 GMT -5
Kenney is shooting 44% from 3 (4th most attempts on team) but only 58% from the line..one of the lowest percentages on the team and he has the most attempts from the line...almost double the next player. I'd foul him outside the arc every time. You're not a math guy, huh?
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Post by calsufan on Jan 11, 2021 11:03:01 GMT -5
Kenney is shooting 44% from 3 (4th most attempts on team) but only 58% from the line..one of the lowest percentages on the team and he has the most attempts from the line...almost double the next player. I'd foul him outside the arc every time. You're not a math guy, huh? Too funny.
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Post by big5explorer on Jan 13, 2021 22:21:29 GMT -5
3 total free throws attempted vs George Mason tonight. Three. In 40 minutes.
Some teams have taken that many with zero time left on the clock to finish the game.
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Post by hykos1045 on Jan 14, 2021 8:30:13 GMT -5
3 total free throws attempted vs George Mason tonight. Three. In 40 minutes. Some teams have taken that many with zero time left on the clock to finish the game. A friend who watched the game told me we did not convert the opponent's turnovers into easier transition buckets. Beyond that, too many forced shots we did take wouldn't fall and we need to find a way out of this slump beyond just seeing more shots in practice or putting up more threes in games when that strategy is clearly hit or miss
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Post by big5explorer on Jan 16, 2021 16:13:12 GMT -5
6 free throws vs Davidson. Drew a total of 6 fouls for the game. This team is soffffft.
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Post by sidclassof69 on Jan 16, 2021 17:01:36 GMT -5
9 free throws in 2 games.? What does that say? 🤔🤔🤔 No inside shooting, , no rebounding.,no driving to the basket🤔🤔🤔= A very soft team
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Post by festushagan on Jan 16, 2021 17:13:13 GMT -5
Agree with the soft team observation, settle for poor threes on many possessions! Late basket by Davidson scrubon Moore was sad, luke warm resistance. Don't know what i was expecting, team after all did lose to Saint Peters and Army! This is on the coaching staff!
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Post by sidclassof69 on Jan 17, 2021 10:00:29 GMT -5
Agree with you 100%, festushagan Not calling for dismissal of staff- Just asking them to reassess what they are doing+ how to try and fix it- to at least show some improvement!
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 17, 2021 10:41:27 GMT -5
If they haven’t figured it out after 3 1/2 years I doubt they are going to figure it out. We are worse in year 3 than we were in year 2.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 17, 2021 12:02:58 GMT -5
2 1/2 years.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 17, 2021 12:05:49 GMT -5
(And I've made the whole "this board would have never tolerated Jay Wright's start" point before and it still stands. At the end of his 3rd year, they were under .500 in the Big East with no NCAA tourney appearances and on probation.)
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 17, 2021 12:11:44 GMT -5
You are playing outside the margins D.
You are supposed to improve as your work through your coaching tenure.
What you conveniently leave out is Jay Wright proved he could turn a program around at Hofstra before Villanova. Ash doesn’t have that history.
If there were consistent things to point to as improving in the program I think most here could live with the that performance. The program has regressed since last year.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 17, 2021 12:19:16 GMT -5
Wright didn't win for his first three seasons and, again, finished that on probation. You would have been calling for him to be fired then if not earlier.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 17, 2021 13:06:42 GMT -5
Wright was 52-46 after 3 seasons. Ash is currently 30-44 probably finishes year 3 at 34-51 at best. For all Wright’s issues as you state he still far superior to Ash.
Ash will never be Jay Wright. I think most of us can agree on that. So any comparisons to him really can’t be considered.
How long do you intend to give Ash a pass? 4 years, 5 years? Are you going to extend him after next year? Just wondering when your evaluation will be complete.
Facts are La Salle needs to make a decision on him after next year. Time is running out to make a decision on his tenure.
I would love to have him make a liar out of me but I don’t see how he does it given the way we have in played and how he has performed through 74 games which is a decent enough sample.
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Post by sidclassof69 on Jan 17, 2021 13:17:55 GMT -5
Agree with you- 100% -explorer 88 You hit it right on the button. Recruiting is one thing( very,very difficult at La Salle), but coaching is another. Right now, in all honesty, they look very poorly coached+ totally unprepared!
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Post by MisterD on Jan 17, 2021 13:21:21 GMT -5
And Jay Wright was in the Big East. Your mindset with those Big East results would have led to incessant posts about him not being able to scale up from the Colonial Athletic and how Villanova has to move on.
I’m pretty sure I’ve said this for a while, but I give Howard or any coach a full roster cycle and the analysis would always factor whether I think any coach could have succeeded over those years.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 17, 2021 13:22:10 GMT -5
And I’m not arguing at all the last two games haven’t been a mess, but every down point doesn’t always have to lead to THE BIG DISCUSSION.
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