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Post by calsufan on Dec 24, 2020 15:39:22 GMT -5
Still can’t get used to Maryland being in the Big 10. You, me, and everybody else, glorydays. As the loquacious Brian Billick once said, “whenever someone tells you it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.” It is 100% about the money and nothing else. I should look for Maryland's press release when they announced the move. It has to be good for several laughs.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Dec 24, 2020 20:59:23 GMT -5
Still can’t get used to Maryland being in the Big 10. You, me, and everybody else, glorydays. As the loquacious Brian Billick once said, “whenever someone tells you it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.”
That's a problem... Most can't get used to Rutgers and Maryland in the Big 10 for basketball... In the meantime, along with PSU, they are using that affiliation and the accompanying resources to KICK ASS on the recruiting trail...
Wrote this piece 9 months ago... everything i've seen since then has only reinforced my opinion...
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Post by glorydays on Dec 25, 2020 6:07:40 GMT -5
Del:
The critical phrase for me is "can't get used to...." Nothing else. I understand why Rutgers and Maryland were recruited by and joined the Big 10. Penn State joining in 1993 was a natural. Thought at that time the Big 10 would recruit Pitt but maybe freezing Pitt out was a demand Penn State made at that time. (Always, thought Notre Dame would have been a perfect fit for the Big 10 but that is another story...).
Your article is spot on. The falling stature of the City of Philly Basketball college basketball programs has been going on for decades. Yet, Philly ain't Philly anymore. When I attended La Salle there were approximately 2.0 million folks in the city with like 18 HS Bball teams in the Pub. Now, Philly has like 1.6 million people and a lot of small HS's. Those heydays are gone but Philly and the Delaware Valley can still be gold mines for the Big 10 and national basketball powers.
Merry Christmas.
glorydays
PS. Old enough to remember Walt Hazzard leaving town from Overbrook to UCLA. My father said: why would he go 3,000 miles to California when he can play college basektball in his hometown, Philadelphia?
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Dec 25, 2020 12:27:59 GMT -5
Del: The critical phrase for me is "can't get used to...." Nothing else. I understand why Rutgers and Maryland were recruited by and joined the Big 10. Penn State joining in 1993 was a natural. Thought at that time the Big 10 would recruit Pitt but maybe freezing Pitt out was a demand Penn State made at that time. (Always, thought Notre Dame would have been a perfect fit for the Big 10 but that is another story...). Your article is spot on. The falling stature of the City of Philly Basketball college basketball programs has been going on for decades. Yet, Philly ain't Philly anymore. When I attended La Salle there were approximately 2.0 million folks in the city with like 18 HS Bball teams in the Pub. Now, Philly has like 1.6 million people and a lot of small HS's. Those heydays are gone but Philly and the Delaware Valley can still be gold mines for the Big 10 and national basketball powers. Merry Christmas. glorydays PS. Old enough to remember Walt Hazzard leaving town from Overbrook to UCLA. My father said: why would he go 3,000 miles to California when he can play college basektball in his hometown, Philadelphia? Thx for reading... On top of all of that, the advent of PURE FREE AGENCY into the equation doesn't bode well for the local programs... For example, Temple has 12 football player in the transfer portal right now...This is gonna take some getting used to on everyone's part...Merry Christmas!
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Post by sidclassof69 on Dec 25, 2020 13:29:41 GMT -5
Your father was” Old School!” Weall were at that time.Nothing was more sacred then the Big 5.If u lleft Philly, it was like u committed a sin.
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Post by glorydays on Dec 25, 2020 13:50:26 GMT -5
Yes, If only Wilt had stayed home!
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Dec 25, 2020 14:29:06 GMT -5
Yes, If only Wilt had stayed home!
There were those pesky little "Apartheid" issues during those days...
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Post by 23won on Dec 25, 2020 22:32:11 GMT -5
Del, interesting read. What is the difference in direct cash payments/stipends at a Penn State/Maryland versus a La Salle /Drexel on an annual basis?
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Post by sidclassof69 on Dec 26, 2020 9:34:03 GMT -5
For a very short moment, we actually thought Kobe was coming to La Salle.- ( His father went here+ there were rumors)- I guess he didn’t come. Would have had a much better pro career, had he come here, for at least a year!🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 26, 2020 9:58:55 GMT -5
I’d argue he’d still be alive.
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Post by 1801olney on Dec 26, 2020 10:21:29 GMT -5
With Philly’s murder rate, maybe not 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Dec 26, 2020 12:03:47 GMT -5
Del, interesting read. What is the difference in direct cash payments/stipends at a Penn State/Maryland versus a La Salle /Drexel on an annual basis?
$2,000-$3,000 per month vs $300 - $400 per month
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Post by 23won on Dec 26, 2020 12:28:51 GMT -5
Thanks Del. That is a pretty compelling difference and a paradigm shift in and of itself.
My personal view of the mid-major impact, in addition to the things you noted are that
1) football is and has been the cash cow for AD budgets for many years/decades
2) Title IX has ensured that schools can't spend the football "profits" as the football team would like
3) ADs at football schools sought more revenue sources when football spending was constrained by Title IX and other factors
4) football schools without great traditions in P5 conferences leveraged state funding for hoops arenas and facilities and helped attract players who like nice things as you aptly point out in order to compete for March madness points payouts
5) P5 schools built off this leverage and conferences gained big TV deals (along with BE) putting more money in the pot to pay for luxury facilities and legal stipends that non-P5 schools cannot compete with
6) 1-5 is exacerbated when P5 schools almost entirely eliminate mid-major scheduling, giving mid-majors less of a chance to build RPI-like prowess and quality wins for the field of 64 selection resume
7) P5 schools devise a quadrant system to value quality win inventory building of P5 schools to the severe detriment of mid-majors
8) Sub .500 P5 teams can now steal several home wins in their 20,000 seat arenas that were paid by taxpayers against ranked conference teams and those odds increase as the P5 teams increase the number of conference games; these quality wins allow the conferences to box out mid majors who do not get an automatic bid
Teams like Maryland have had some success in the past recruiting Philly players (Reggie Jackson and Mo Howard) but until fairly recently teams like Penn State rarely had success in the past recruiting Philly players over Big 5 schools.
Items 1-8 and the massive P5 stipend differential make it nearly impossible for a La Salle to keep a Donta Scott in Philly when a P5 team comes aggressively.
That's my version of the paradigm shift we are experiencing. The Portal only makes it worse since if we do develop talent, we are at risk of losing that player to transfer to a P5 or BE school. It is a whole new ballgame compared to the glory days of the Big 5.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Dec 26, 2020 12:59:51 GMT -5
Thanks Del. That is a pretty compelling difference and a paradigm shift in and of itself. My personal view of the mid-major impact, in addition to the things you noted are that 1) football is and has been the cash cow for AD budgets for many years/decades 2) Title IX has ensured that schools can't spend the football "profits" as the football team would like 3) ADs at football schools sought more revenue sources when football spending was constrained by Title IX and other factors 4) football schools without great traditions in P5 conferences leveraged state funding for hoops arenas and facilities and helped attract players who like nice things as you aptly point out in order to compete for March madness points payouts 5) P5 schools built off this leverage and conferences gained big TV deals (along with BE) putting more money in the pot to pay for luxury facilities and legal stipends that non-P5 schools cannot compete with 6) 1-5 is exacerbated when P5 schools almost entirely eliminate mid-major scheduling, giving mid-majors less of a chance to build RPI-like prowess and quality wins for the field of 64 selection resume 7) P5 schools devise a quadrant system to value quality win inventory building of P5 schools to the severe detriment of mid-majors 8) Sub .500 P5 teams can now steal several home wins in their 20,000 seat arenas that were paid by taxpayers against ranked conference teams and those odds increase as the P5 teams increase the number of conference games; these quality wins allow the conferences to box out mid majors who do not get an automatic bid Teams like Maryland have had some success in the past recruiting Philly players (Reggie Jackson and Mo Howard) but until fairly recently teams like Penn State rarely had success in the past recruiting Philly players over Big 5 schools. Items 1-8 and the massive P5 stipend differential make it nearly impossible for a La Salle to keep a Donta Scott in Philly when a P5 team comes aggressively. That's my version of the paradigm shift we are experiencing. The Portal only makes it worse since if we do develop talent, we are at risk of losing that player to transfer to a P5 or BE school. It is a whole new ballgame compared to the glory days of the Big 5.
Thx for reading and responding...
It's a discussion worthy of having. Seems like we are finally getting to a point where it can take place without fans of local mid-majors taking it as a personal attack on their respective program...
Kids are starting to line up transfer options NOW...
Coaches will have to spend an inordinate amount of time recruiting their own locker rooms going forward...
Will have this discussion on a show Wednesday evening with long-time A10 assistant coach Mark Bass and former Big East star Maalik Wayns... Tune in...
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Post by gymrat67 on Dec 26, 2020 13:29:39 GMT -5
Thanks Del. That is a pretty compelling difference and a paradigm shift in and of itself. My personal view of the mid-major impact, in addition to the things you noted are that 1) football is and has been the cash cow for AD budgets for many years/decades 2) Title IX has ensured that schools can't spend the football "profits" as the football team would like 3) ADs at football schools sought more revenue sources when football spending was constrained by Title IX and other factors 4) football schools without great traditions in P5 conferences leveraged state funding for hoops arenas and facilities and helped attract players who like nice things as you aptly point out in order to compete for March madness points payouts 5) P5 schools built off this leverage and conferences gained big TV deals (along with BE) putting more money in the pot to pay for luxury facilities and legal stipends that non-P5 schools cannot compete with 6) 1-5 is exacerbated when P5 schools almost entirely eliminate mid-major scheduling, giving mid-majors less of a chance to build RPI-like prowess and quality wins for the field of 64 selection resume 7) P5 schools devise a quadrant system to value quality win inventory building of P5 schools to the severe detriment of mid-majors 8) Sub .500 P5 teams can now steal several home wins in their 20,000 seat arenas that were paid by taxpayers against ranked conference teams and those odds increase as the P5 teams increase the number of conference games; these quality wins allow the conferences to box out mid majors who do not get an automatic bid Teams like Maryland have had some success in the past recruiting Philly players (Reggie Jackson and Mo Howard) but until fairly recently teams like Penn State rarely had success in the past recruiting Philly players over Big 5 schools. Items 1-8 and the massive P5 stipend differential make it nearly impossible for a La Salle to keep a Donta Scott in Philly when a P5 team comes aggressively. That's my version of the paradigm shift we are experiencing. The Portal only makes it worse since if we do develop talent, we are at risk of losing that player to transfer to a P5 or BE school. It is a whole new ballgame compared to the glory days of the Big 5. Thx for reading and responding... It's a discussion worthy of having. Seems like we are finally getting to a point where it can take place without fans of local mid-majors taking it as a personal attack on their respective program... Kids are starting to line up transfer options NOW... Coaches will have to spend an inordinate amount of time recruiting their own locker rooms going forward... Will have this discussion on a show Wednesday evening with long-time A10 assistant coach Mark Bass and former Big East star Maalik Wayns... Tune in...
phillyhoops4life and 23won : Apropos the above topics involving players potential income / revenue sources in which mid-majors are unable to compete effectively with P5 conferences schools, see also recent ( November 21st ) thread on this Board entitled : " Monetizing / managing D-I MBB players ' NIL " rights " : explorertown.proboards.com/thread/3773/monetizing-managing-mbb-players-rights
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Dec 26, 2020 14:06:25 GMT -5
I think NIL actually gives mid-major programs and their supporters an opportunity to be creative and somewhat level the playing field...
La Salle alums can use Explorers to advertise businesses and services
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 26, 2020 14:09:41 GMT -5
With Philly’s murder rate, maybe not 🤷🏻♂️ yeah good one 🙄
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 26, 2020 16:10:12 GMT -5
I think NIL actually gives mid-major programs and their supporters an opportunity to be creative and somewhat level the playing field... La Salle alums can use Explorers to advertise businesses and services Picturing "Chico's Bail Bonds" on our uniforms.
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Post by glorydays on Dec 26, 2020 16:45:36 GMT -5
I think NIL actually gives mid-major programs and their supporters an opportunity to be creative and somewhat level the playing field... La Salle alums can use Explorers to advertise businesses and services Picturing "Chico's Bail Bonds" on our uniforms. Sanford and Son Salvage
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 26, 2020 17:08:33 GMT -5
Picturing "Chico's Bail Bonds" on our uniforms. Sanford and Son Salvage now that song is in my head for the night
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Post by diehardexplorer on Dec 26, 2020 18:21:48 GMT -5
I think NIL actually gives mid-major programs and their supporters an opportunity to be creative and somewhat level the playing field... La Salle alums can use Explorers to advertise businesses and services Picturing "Chico's Bail Bonds" on our uniforms. mlb network has been playing the original recently. watched it twice in the last couple of weeks. classic movie. great performances by matthau, morrow and o'neal to name a few.
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Post by gymrat67 on Dec 26, 2020 22:58:09 GMT -5
now that song is in my head for the night How about this instead : It's a small world after all, it's a small world after all ...
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