Game Thread: v. Lincoln (of PA), 12/8/20, 4PM

[glorydays]

Does this game count as a win or is it considered to be the same thing as a preseason exhibition??

[JoeFedorowicz]

Win for La Salle.

[gymratlsc72]

Dec 8, 2020 17:47:04 GMT -5 broderickpresident said:

It’s early but Jig might be our best freshman PG since Chip Greenburg. Maybe longer...

Best since since Tyreek Duren!

Brickus had 8 assists today, and I can recall at least 3 'assist quality' passes where either a foul or a missed 'easy' shot cost him double figure assists.

One thing I've noticed (in more than just today's game) is that he just doesn't panic. He's got escapability from traps and makes some pretty passes from traffic.

As was posted earlier, the offense really needs to flow through Jhamir!

[MisterD]

Dec 8, 2020 17:47:04 GMT -5 broderickpresident said:

It’s early but Jig might be our best freshman PG since Chip Greenburg. Maybe longer...

Better than Ty?

[GlitterBro #2]

Dec 8, 2020 18:14:47 GMT -5 hykos1045 said:

Dec 8, 2020 17:59:38 GMT -5 glorydays said:

Does this game count as a win or is it considered to be the same thing as a preseason exhibition??

Kale said on the broadcast that it "would not count in the standings, treated like an exhibition." I'm not sure how we got the Rowan game to count a few years ago, whereas I would from then on consider that to be our "8.5 win season."

I think he was wrong on that.  The game officially counts for us but is an exhibition for Lincoln.  That's the way it was for their game against Morgan State as well.  It officially counted for Morgan State.

Not certain, but it might have something to do with playing them after your season has officially started, which is probably why Textile and West Chester didn't count in the past.

[JoeFedorowicz]

Dec 8, 2020 18:36:19 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Dec 8, 2020 17:47:04 GMT -5 broderickpresident said:

It’s early but Jig might be our best freshman PG since Chip Greenburg. Maybe longer...

Better than Ty?

They’re so similar. Brickus more athletic and Ty probably a better shooter. Both more athletic than Chip but different era 😃. What helped him was being half a foot taller.

[big5vet]

Agree they are/were both veerryy good. My memory might be off, but I think Ty was a decent shooter as a freshman who improved over his college career. Jigs is already a good to above average shooter as a freshman. Remember he scored 50+ pts vs Chester last winter. I think it's a push on ball handling, turnovers. Not sure about defense though. Edge: Jigs.

[hykos1045]

The game counted as a win for purposes of our 2020 record. Sorry, I misinterpreted earlier and have deleted my post.

[manayunk53]

I remember when our football team was routinely getting slaughtered by Division III teams most weeks and the losses counted as real losses, so I would think that this would be the same thing but in the win column.

[joe]

Did Lincoln pay LaSalle for this match up? I wonder what the doing rate is for a home match with La Salle?

[broderickpresident]

Tyreek almost certainly our best PG since Doug Overton, but I'm hoping Jig can have a better freshman season. We'll see.

Tyreek wasn't particularly comfortable shooting the ball as a freshman. Of course, he was put in a difficult situation playing with a pretty selfish team.

Both of them seem pretty uncanny finishing in traffic, which is unfortunately in short supply other places on our roster.

I think some guys on this team might need a 'no shots after more than 1 dribble' rule. Or maybe just 'never dribble, period'

Main point is I've been very impressed with Jig. Scoring might be his greatest strength and yet he's shown more restraint and ability to get teammates quality looks than anyone else. Had a big positive impact yesterday w/o ever really looking for his own offense. Would love to see him penciled in for 30 MPG moving forward, with the ball in his hands more than anyone else. Give him the keys

[MisterD]

I haven't seen any games yet but any comp to Duren has me excited. Really rare player-type for this program over the last ~25 years.

[GlitterBro #2]

It's hard to overanalyze yesterday against an obviously much lower caliber team like Lincoln. Lots of turnovers...more toward the end...but that could just be them being lazy/sloppy when the game was fairly well decided (although Lincoln did outscore La Salle by 1 in the 2nd half...I thought we should have put it away more strongly).

Regardless of opponent, 13-14 from the foul line is impressive given how the team has been shooting free throws. I hope that continues because that can be a difference maker in a close game.

8 Assists from Brickus is huge in the Ash-era where this year we were only averaging 11 per game for the whole team and about 13 per game in years' past. Hikim did it once last year against Duquesne, Carter once the year before against Villanova. If he can facilitate and get the shooters looks against the tougher competition, he will be exciting to watch as he matures.

[manayunk53]

Dec 9, 2020 10:14:51 GMT -5 broderickpresident said:

I think some guys on this team might need a 'no shots after more than 1 dribble' rule. Or maybe just 'never dribble, period'

The Williams twins often chose to "never dribble, period," much to the chagrin of the officials.  Maybe G had them under a similar arrangement.

[JoeFedorowicz]

Jerrell was a big fan of the one dribble, bowl over the guy in front of me move.

[GlitterBro #2]

Dec 8, 2020 17:19:04 GMT -5 hykos1045 said:

Anyone actively watching the ESPN+ feed, can you answer if the cardboard cutouts have been featured much on the live stream yet? I was curious if they had a good "turnout" at $50 per seat for the season.

I expect a better turnout on dollar cardboard-hot dog night.

[hykos1045]

Dec 9, 2020 16:25:19 GMT -5 GlitterBro #2 said:

Dec 8, 2020 17:19:04 GMT -5 hykos1045 said:

Anyone actively watching the ESPN+ feed, can you answer if the cardboard cutouts have been featured much on the live stream yet? I was curious if they had a good "turnout" at $50 per seat for the season.

I expect a better turnout on dollar cardboard-hot dog night.

The soft pretzels and "pizza" tended to have more of a cardboard consistency. #thingsidontmiss

[gymrat67]

Dec 9, 2020 13:13:47 GMT -5 manayunk53 said:

Dec 9, 2020 10:14:51 GMT -5 broderickpresident said:

I think some guys on this team might need a 'no shots after more than 1 dribble' rule. Or maybe just 'never dribble, period'

The Williams twins often chose to "never dribble, period," much to the chagrin of the officials.  Maybe G had them under a similar arrangement.

       
     

[a10champion15]

So I took a quick look at some of the advanced analytics. Unfortunately, the D2 game isn't included in our overall stats. They show it individually but not collectively part of our resume.

Brickus stats are honestly incredible. He's putting up the best figures of any freshmen across nearly every metric and is in the top 20 in the conference with an offensive rating of #9th in the conference.

5 best players right now...Brickus, Moore, Ray, Hikim and Clark...in that order. Clark's stats have improved each game.

The advanced stats really made me pause for a second. It's clear Clark needs to continue playing. He's going to get better. Moore and Brickus usage is low comparatively speaking and their minutes need to increase. As we know, typically 1st year transfers and freshmen get better as the season progresses so I rather give them the opportunity to do so. Beatty decline really doesn't make sense to me. He is having a HUGE dropoff from the prior season so I imagine that improves but how much idk. Last season, his stats were night and day from non-conference to conference play so we will see.

Watching them you wouldn't think they're going to improve but the advanced analytics tell a different story. However, we are only a few games in so we will see what saturday brings. They're obviously going to change.

Given what I've seen in the games and reviewed from the analytics...I start Brickus, Ray, Moore, Clark and Spencer. Hikim coming off the bench with Kenney. Kimborough and Stone filling in the bench for Moore. Ward should probably redshirt and play just a few games during the season. I didn't see how Gill performed last week so I'm assuming he would get limited bench mins from what little the stats say and the Army game. Also, haven't seen Tegra but he's a project so his minutes should be very limited this season given the depth.

Bottom line, Ash has to figure out this rotation and the starting line up is a small indicator he is making adjustments. It's just too difficult to run a 10/11 man rotation with so many inexperienced players that don't know their role. Part of me like yes, it makes sense to figure out what you have but at the same time the rotation needs to become more centered and focused.

[JoeFedorowicz]

Dec 10, 2020 11:22:06 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

Bottom line, Ash has to figure out this rotation and the starting line up is a small indicator he is making adjustments. It's just too difficult to run a 10/11 man rotation with so many inexperienced players that don't know their role. Part of me like yes, it makes sense to figure out what you have but at the same time the rotation needs to become more centered and focused.

I think he's done this.

Player	St. John's	St. Peter's	Army	Lincoln	Games Played	Avg Minutes
David Beatty	18	27	29	26	4	25
Christian Ray	26	28	27	15	4	24
Jhamir Brickus	18	17	28	30	4	23.25
Jack Clark	17	21	29	25	4	23
Ayinde Hikim	22	19	19	NA	3	20
Scott Spencer	20	21	19	18	4	19.5
Clifton Moore	17	21	20	18	4	19
Jared Kimbrough	29	18	20	3	4	17.5
Sherif Kenney	22	13	NA	16	3	17
Anwar Gill	NA	NA	7	25	2	16
Tegra Izay	NA	NA	NA	11	1	11
Brandon Stone	11	15	2	8	4	9

 

[thelasallelunatic]

Dec 10, 2020 11:22:06 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

So I took a quick look at some of the advanced analytics. Unfortunately, the D2 game isn't included in our overall stats. They show it individually but not collectively part of our resume.

Brickus stats are honestly incredible. He's putting up the best figures of any freshmen across nearly every metric and is in the top 20 in the conference with an offensive rating of #9th in the conference.

5 best players right now...Brickus, Moore, Ray, Hikim and Clark...in that order. Clark's stats have improved each game.

The advanced stats really made me pause for a second. It's clear Clark needs to continue playing. He's going to get better. Moore and Brickus usage is low comparatively speaking and their minutes need to increase. As we know, typically 1st year transfers and freshmen get better as the season progresses so I rather give them the opportunity to do so. Beatty decline really doesn't make sense to me. He is having a HUGE dropoff from the prior season so I imagine that improves but how much idk. Last season, his stats were night and day from non-conference to conference play so we will see.

Watching them you wouldn't think they're going to improve but the advanced analytics tell a different story. However, we are only a few games in so we will see what saturday brings. They're obviously going to change.

Given what I've seen in the games and reviewed from the analytics...I start Brickus, Ray, Moore, Clark and Spencer. Hikim coming off the bench with Kenney. Kimborough and Stone filling in the bench for Moore. Ward should probably redshirt and play just a few games during the season. I didn't see how Gill performed last week so I'm assuming he would get limited bench mins from what little the stats say and the Army game. Also, haven't seen Tegra but he's a project so his minutes should be very limited this season given the depth.

Bottom line, Ash has to figure out this rotation and the starting line up is a small indicator he is making adjustments. It's just too difficult to run a 10/11 man rotation with so many inexperienced players that don't know their role. Part of me like yes, it makes sense to figure out what you have but at the same time the rotation needs to become more centered and focused.

No need to red shirt anybody. It's a free year if players and coaches want it.

[diehardexplorer]

Dec 10, 2020 11:22:06 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

I didn't see how Gill performed last week so I'm assuming he would get limited bench mins from what little the stats say and the Army game. 

i disagree.  gill will be part of the rotation and should get significant minutes.  he's coming off an injury but played decent in his 7 minutes against army.  imo, he contributed more than anyone to the win against lincoln.  scored (10 pts), passed (3 assists against only 1 turnover), rebounded (5 rebounds) and defended (2 steals and multiple deflections). he plays winning basketball.  he's not afraid to attack the basket and actually has a mid-range game.  probably the best defender on the team.  

[a10champion15]

Completely forgot it was a free year. Thanks thelasallelunatic

diehardexplorer thanks for the insight...I didn't see the game last week. I was curious what people's thoughts were regarding his play last game but didn't hear much about it. I have pretty high expectations from him. I think he was vastly underrated and came from a really strong program. We will see if his talent translates on the court against D1 talent.

@joefedorowicz this is exactly what I was looking at...MPG and usage. Usage gives a little more insight and illustrates the fluctuation with how the rotation is being utilized. To your point, this is exactly why I think the team will partly get better as roles become more defined. For example, Kimborough was playing way too many minutes the first two games and would more serviable coming off the bench around 10ish minutes a game. Moore is clearly better all around player and should pick up a few more minutes. Ray probably should be playing around starter minutes but not necessarily 28 minutes a game. I prefer Spencer to play slightly more than 20 minutes a game, he's a VERY good shooter who will benefit from Brickus running the point. There shouldn't be a game going forward Clark averages less than 27 MPG. Those are just a few examples...

[23won]

Dec 10, 2020 11:22:06 GMT -5 a10champion15 said:

So I took a quick look at some of the advanced analytics. Unfortunately, the D2 game isn't included in our overall stats. They show it individually but not collectively part of our resume.

Brickus stats are honestly incredible. He's putting up the best figures of any freshmen across nearly every metric and is in the top 20 in the conference with an offensive rating of #9th in the conference.

5 best players right now...Brickus, Moore, Ray, Hikim and Clark...in that order. Clark's stats have improved each game.

The advanced stats really made me pause for a second. It's clear Clark needs to continue playing. He's going to get better. Moore and Brickus usage is low comparatively speaking and their minutes need to increase. As we know, typically 1st year transfers and freshmen get better as the season progresses so I rather give them the opportunity to do so. Beatty decline really doesn't make sense to me. He is having a HUGE dropoff from the prior season so I imagine that improves but how much idk. Last season, his stats were night and day from non-conference to conference play so we will see.

Watching them you wouldn't think they're going to improve but the advanced analytics tell a different story. However, we are only a few games in so we will see what saturday brings. They're obviously going to change.

Given what I've seen in the games and reviewed from the analytics...I start Brickus, Ray, Moore, Clark and Spencer. Hikim coming off the bench with Kenney. Kimborough and Stone filling in the bench for Moore. Ward should probably redshirt and play just a few games during the season. I didn't see how Gill performed last week so I'm assuming he would get limited bench mins from what little the stats say and the Army game. Also, haven't seen Tegra but he's a project so his minutes should be very limited this season given the depth.

Bottom line, Ash has to figure out this rotation and the starting line up is a small indicator he is making adjustments. It's just too difficult to run a 10/11 man rotation with so many inexperienced players that don't know their role. Part of me like yes, it makes sense to figure out what you have but at the same time the rotation needs to become more centered and focused.

I reached the same conclusions re starters and PT on p 2 of this thread based on the eye test.  Glad analytics confirmed this.  I also offered a theory on Beatty there