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Post by 23won on Dec 6, 2020 22:28:04 GMT -5
We lost the game by an almost 3:1 margin in points scored in the paint, and we looked to have more height. That needs to get cleaned up. Would like to see better switching with Moore hanging around the lane more and not getting drawn out towards the arc; he can defend the lane if he's there.
1) I thought the offense looked better and showed the effects of some hard work
2) Defense struggled in failing to better defend shooters - way too may undefended shots, which is an effort issue, and way too many points on the paint
3) Brickus is a stud and deserves to get prime minutes at 1; if he makes freshman mistakes so be it as he has very good upside
Primary rotation IMO should be Brickus, Beatty, Spencer, Clark & Moore and I'd like to see them get a steady diet of 25-30 minutes. I see Ray as a glue guy spotting Beatty, Kenney as an instant offense type spotting Spencer & Clark and Kimbrough and Ayinde spotting the 5 and 1 spot.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 6, 2020 22:34:13 GMT -5
We have now lost to MAAC and Patriot League teams. Mediocre ones at that. I seem to recall we lost to even lower level teams under G, no?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 22:37:51 GMT -5
I seem to recall we lost to even lower level teams under G, no? I mean you can justify year 3 however you want. What I have seen so far is some of the worst basketball of my life.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Dec 6, 2020 23:11:54 GMT -5
My interest in sports has taken a dive since COVID, but I was cautiously optimistic that this team could at least provide some entertainment value. Outside of watching Brickus, there is no joy in Mudville after 3 games.
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Post by nyalum on Dec 6, 2020 23:53:13 GMT -5
This was the first Explorer game I got to watch this season and the first one I've ever watched on ESPN+. Just a couple of points:
Man, this is how I pictured a basketball game on C-SPAN would look and sound like. I know there are crowd restrictions, but the silence in between plays is deafening.
I, for one got a couple of positives out of the game. Brickus ups our level of play when he is on the floor and Clark seems to be shaking off the rust. They could be all-conference before they are done.
Our press worked and our opponent actually had more turnovers than we did today.
One of the negatives was stopping that press when we did. We had them their heels and were getting some easy buckets.
We need to finish off contested layups much more consistently. Our guards are often trying to draw fouls while shooting and just putting them up wildly.
Would have liked the W, but our showing today made me think we have some things to work with. As opposed to our first two games, which reportedly would have made Naismith roll over in his grave.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 7, 2020 10:01:42 GMT -5
Despite the loss and the frustration with it, there were a few positives on the game:
- we reduced turnovers. I was happy to see that..and surprised, but I think a lot of that had to do with Brickus. - our early pressure was good, and maybe going deeper in our bench will allow us to sustain that. Maybe we need a version of HAVOC in The Gola to keep teams on edge and let that be our style - FT shooting was better...largely due to Clark - Clark and Brickus are the core of this team, along with Ray. Brickus was really exciting to watch and cool under pressure.
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Post by explorers2013 on Dec 7, 2020 10:24:47 GMT -5
Agree with the above as it was enjoyable to watch Clark and Brickus throughout most of the game. Moore's pick and pop 3 was also something I don't think I have seen from a big man since maybe Steve Weingarten so that was encouraging. On the downside the fact that Hikim was in the game for the final possessions was just laughable considering the amount of missed layups he had and the amount of times he got blown by on defense. Maybe it was just a bad day for him but if that continues his minutes need to be limited at best.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 7, 2020 11:16:37 GMT -5
I seem to recall we lost to even lower level teams under G, no? I mean you can justify year 3 however you want. What I have seen so far is some of the worst basketball of my life. I'm not justifying what's happening at all, it seems like you're trying to bash the coach, because his last name isn't Giannini. Listen, your guy had his run. He's done. I don't know if Howard is the guy or not, but it appears in your mind that it's more that he isn't G than he's not doing a good job. And you're not being honest, we saw A LOT of crap basketball under G. Nice guy, but he didn't get it done in the end. We'll see how Howard does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 11:29:24 GMT -5
I didnt mention Giannini once. I am speaking as a college basketball fan, this team is abysmal. Again, I have never questioned the dismissal of Giannini, that's not what i am doing here. I am saying in year 3 of a regime, if this is the team you have, with the resources that were handed to you (Ash got a massive budget increase, coaching staff increase and other amenities previously not had at La Salle), you have unequivocally failed as a coach, leader, and developer of a team. Get a new slant, because this isn't a Giannini praise fest.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 7, 2020 11:30:55 GMT -5
I didnt mention Giannini once. I am speaking as a college basketball fan, this team is abysmal. Again, I have never questioned the dismissal of Giannini, that's not what i am doing here. I am saying in year 3 of a regime, if this is the team you have, with the resources that were handed to you (Ash got a massive budget increase, coaching staff increase and other amenities previously not had at La Salle), you have unequivocally failed as a coach, leader, and developer of a team. Get a new slant, because this isn't a Giannini praise fest. Were you associated with the team under G?
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Post by MisterD on Dec 7, 2020 11:57:18 GMT -5
Or the Sixers under Colangelo?
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Post by 23won on Dec 7, 2020 12:12:36 GMT -5
Oh no ... not the Spanish Inquistion
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Post by calsufan on Dec 7, 2020 12:52:43 GMT -5
Oh no ... not the Spanish Inquistion
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Post by walkon on Dec 7, 2020 16:56:36 GMT -5
Agree with the above as it was enjoyable to watch Clark and Brickus throughout most of the game. Moore's pick and pop 3 was also something I don't think I have seen from a big man since maybe Steve Weingarten so that was encouraging. On the downside the fact that Hikim was in the game for the final possessions was just laughable considering the amount of missed layups he had and the amount of times he got blown by on defense. Maybe it was just a bad day for him but if that continues his minutes need to be limited at best. I just don’t get the criticism of Hikim. That kid plays his ass off, and in my mind one of the few bright spots alongside Brickus.
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Post by heftyexpl on Dec 8, 2020 10:13:06 GMT -5
Went back to watch Army game. A few things stuck out to me.
First the bad,
1. We went 11 minutes of game time where we only scored 5 points - 1 jump shot from Clark, 1 drive by Brickus, 1 free throw from Ray. (That drought came with 3 minutes left of 1st half to 12 minute mark of 2nd). A lot of our offensive sets were running down shot clock to single digits and then worrying about scoring. We became complacent. did this have to do with trying to hold onto the lead? Way too early to take foot off gas.
2. Our defense is still not discipline. Too many careless fouls. Jumping at head fakes. Losing man on back door plays to basket. Spencer got caught sleeping at end of game and allowed army an easy 3 pointer.
3. We need to draw up better plays from our time outs. Late in the game, we had a chance to take lead and we settled for a quick/long 3pt shot from beatty.
The Positives
1. I cant believe no one mentioned Anwar Gil. He seemed to be a nice spark off the bench. In his limited time he had a big offensive rebound, a steal - leading to him getting to line and a quick drive past his defender for layup that just spinned out. Our team is already too deep but Gil was impressive in first showing and can be an asset.
2. Loved the lineup of Brickus Hikim Ray Clark and Moore (with 7 minutes in 2nd). They didnt score many points but hikim missed two easy drives, moore one easy layup and clarke got to the line on a drive. Ash needs to identify the players on his team who can break down their defenders. I feel really confident with hikim and brickus on the floor at the same time. He needs to rotate Ray/Spencer and work off that lineup. Beatty Kimbrough should spell these guys when tired. If our offense revolves around Beatty, as main offensive player, this is going to be a long season. Beatty is a volume scorer. He doesn't get the rest of teammates involved and settles on long jump shots or out of control drives to basket.
Long post, kind of winded. happy with skill set of this team just not with how Ash is utilizing his players. Too many rotations and no team identity is hurting us.
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Post by sidclassof69 on Dec 8, 2020 10:26:40 GMT -5
I was optimistic too, before season started- Bottom Line is that we are 0+ 3.I think there is some” Individual “ talent on the team, but there is no cohesiveness + certainly no identity. I know it’s early+ they are very young- but it’s still kind of disappointing.
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Post by heftyexpl on Dec 8, 2020 10:34:13 GMT -5
Want to add. Was happy to see Clarke taking on the role of alpha. It seems its in his character to want to take the big shot. There were a few quick trigger shots, but with more time to shake off the rust, i think he is going to become who la salle looks to score when in need of a big basket.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 8, 2020 10:39:22 GMT -5
Nagging thought. I'm excited about Brickus and he has been fun to watch - calm, collected, finishes, moves without the ball, plays good defense - the kind of guy you build around. BUT...with the new transfer rules, is there any concern that we might not be able to keep him for the 4 years? If he has a great freshman year and even a better sophomore year, why wouldn't he jump to a P5?
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Post by 23won on Dec 8, 2020 11:22:04 GMT -5
Nagging thought. I'm excited about Brickus and he has been fun to watch - calm, collected, finishes, moves without the ball, plays good defense - the kind of guy you build around. BUT...with the new transfer rules, is there any concern that we might not be able to keep him for the 4 years? If he has a great freshman year and even a better sophomore year, why wouldn't he jump to a P5? It's a pretty big jump to P5. Pipkins and Bynum had < 50% of their A10 production after the jump to the BE as a small guard. Ed C is headed down the same path. If Ash keeps him happy, there is not a great risk. I'd like to see him get 25-30 mpg per night. I also think he and Ayinde better separate than together on the floor, based on sample size so far. If they overlapped and played together 5 minutes, that could be a good formula IMO
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Post by sweat83 on Dec 8, 2020 12:02:29 GMT -5
Nagging thought. I'm excited about Brickus and he has been fun to watch - calm, collected, finishes, moves without the ball, plays good defense - the kind of guy you build around. BUT...with the new transfer rules, is there any concern that we might not be able to keep him for the 4 years? If he has a great freshman year and even a better sophomore year, why wouldn't he jump to a P5? It's a pretty big jump to P5. Pipkins and Bynum had < 50% of their A10 production after the jump to the BE as a small guard. Ed C is headed down the same path. If Ash keeps him happy, there is not a great risk. I'd like to see him get 25-30 mpg per night. I also think he and Ayinde better separate than together on the floor, based on sample size so far. If they overlapped and played together 5 minutes, that could be a good formula IMO I would think that the more minutes Brickus gets, the more likely one or more of the other guards will consider transferring with fewer minutes coming their way. HEFTY's bad observations #1, 2 and 3....this has been ongoing for YEARS.. Scoring droughts, back door defense and inbound plays with seconds remaining.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 8, 2020 12:07:47 GMT -5
Nagging thought. I'm excited about Brickus and he has been fun to watch - calm, collected, finishes, moves without the ball, plays good defense - the kind of guy you build around. BUT...with the new transfer rules, is there any concern that we might not be able to keep him for the 4 years? If he has a great freshman year and even a better sophomore year, why wouldn't he jump to a P5? Sure, which basically makes it a soccer model where you max out players while you have them and occasionally a guy will stick around longer. Its probably the best case scenario for a school like us even if it means we aren't getting the full 4 years.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 8, 2020 12:12:34 GMT -5
Nagging thought. I'm excited about Brickus and he has been fun to watch - calm, collected, finishes, moves without the ball, plays good defense - the kind of guy you build around. BUT...with the new transfer rules, is there any concern that we might not be able to keep him for the 4 years? If he has a great freshman year and even a better sophomore year, why wouldn't he jump to a P5? Because he's 5-9. Ghost of Chaz Williams.
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Post by big5vet on Dec 8, 2020 12:24:24 GMT -5
Surprise the opposition once in a while with a sudden full-court press using Jigs and Ayinde together. As for the starting lineup I like Brickus, Ray, Spencer, Clark and Moore. Good offensive group. Sub Kimbrough for Moore, Kenney for Spencer and Ayinde for Brickus accordingly. Shorten the rotation to eight players 5 of whom average 28-30. I too was impressed with Gill but he seemed quite rushed in his movements. Granted it was his very first exposure. Jigs was composed the moment he hit the court in game one. Just saying.
We may have the components of a competitive A-10 line-up. We just need to confirm how many.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Dec 8, 2020 20:28:46 GMT -5
Observations: - Brickus is hella fun to watch - Anwar Gill may be our best Anwar since Anwar Wilson - Fire Dr. G
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 8, 2020 20:52:51 GMT -5
Anwar Wilson sat the bench for three years before Speedy realized he was an elite shot blocker.
Anwar is a doctor now.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Dec 8, 2020 23:17:13 GMT -5
Anwar Wilson sat the bench for three years before Speedy realized he was an elite shot blocker. Anwar is a doctor now. Funny, I was just reading an old K’Zell Wesson thread (don’t ask) with your take on Anwar’s defense.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 9, 2020 9:53:57 GMT -5
Funny, I was just reading an old K’Zell Wesson thread (don’t ask) with your take on Anwar’s defense. Wow. That's a deep track right there. Haven't heard that name in forever. Reminds me of him making a great play one time and someone in the stands yelling, "Now we're cooking with Wesson"
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Post by crayzeeguy on Dec 9, 2020 10:07:16 GMT -5
Funny, I was just reading an old K’Zell Wesson thread (don’t ask) with your take on Anwar’s defense. Wow. That's a deep track right there. Haven't heard that name in forever. Reminds me of him making a great play one time and someone in the stands yelling, "Now we're cooking with Wesson" I can also chime in with a solid Garrett Bragg reference from time to time
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 9, 2020 11:38:41 GMT -5
I can also chime in with a solid Garrett Bragg reference from time to time I'm trying to remember if it was the first game at The Gola when he got ejected or bloodied or something and it got the crowd all fired up...I'm struggling to remember things from the last millennium though. I do remember the very first game there, the power went out to the scoreboard and some of the lights, and I remember thinking...why can't we even get this right?
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 9, 2020 17:56:57 GMT -5
I can also chime in with a solid Garrett Bragg reference from time to time I'm trying to remember if it was the first game at The Gola when he got ejected or bloodied or something and it got the crowd all fired up...I'm struggling to remember things from the last millennium though. I do remember the very first game there, the power went out to the scoreboard and some of the lights, and I remember thinking...why can't we even get this right? He elbowed Kevin Frey from Xavier. A real cheap shot. Blood everywhere. I really thought he seriously hurt him.
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