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Post by heftyexpl on Nov 27, 2020 18:00:50 GMT -5
Hes already into his bag of excuses. There was an interview Kale did before tip off with Coach and Ash basically blamed the poor performance on a long layoff and his kids being nervous for "a national televised game on Thanksgiving" - which in itself is comical.
Love to hear what he has for why the team lost Game 2.
- also Epitome of la salle was the article written about how this year the team was focused on taking care of the ball and then start season with most turnovers since Feb 2017 . at this point you can only laugh at where we are at as a program
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Post by walkon on Nov 27, 2020 18:01:41 GMT -5
Here’s to hoping we get our beginning of season kinks out now...
“Saint John Baptist de La Salle, pray for us!”
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Post by louth on Nov 27, 2020 18:16:56 GMT -5
With what I have seen thus far, we may be the worst team in A10. It appears preseason talent observations of the team were overrated by me and most others.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 18:18:02 GMT -5
#FireAsh
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 27, 2020 18:18:17 GMT -5
Team’s talent is overrated. Not a lot in the program. At some point can’t make excuses any longer. i don't buy that. imo, there is solid talent on this roster, good enough to finish mid-pack in the a10. it's become pretty obvious to me what the problem is.
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Post by 1863 on Nov 27, 2020 19:05:31 GMT -5
Whether it's a matter of a lack of talent or coaching, it's clear the rest of the A-10 (except for Fordham) has us in the rear-view mirror.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 27, 2020 19:09:12 GMT -5
We’re not playing this game. If you want to come to the table with something substantial, great. We’re not going to do the ‘call for the coach’s head two games into his third year’ thing, especially after your guy G got 14.
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Post by las71 on Nov 27, 2020 19:26:49 GMT -5
Too much ball handling and too many forced shots. Not enough ball movement and too few open looks. All of the above can be corrected but if not, we'll struggle to score all year.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2020 19:35:40 GMT -5
I feel like there’s a version of my life where 20 years from now we’re on our 9th different head coach in the A-10 and people still think the coaching is the problem with the program.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 27, 2020 19:45:53 GMT -5
I watched just a little bit of the St. Joe's game at the start of the second half. It actually appeared for a few minutes as though they thought they belonged with Kansas and could actually win. Obviously, it didn't turn out that way. But I can't remember the last time when La Salle played a top tier opponent and actually made it appear as though they thought they could actually win.
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Post by heftyexpl on Nov 27, 2020 19:56:29 GMT -5
I feel like there’s a version of my life where 20 years from now we’re on our 9th different head coach in the A-10 and people still think the coaching is the problem with the program. So you think the coaching is fine? Really? Well luckily you dont have to look far to see what a good coach looks like. St Peter's should have beat st johns yesterday, beat us convincingly today. Clearly are playing up to their opponents. As a team last year they surprised every one by finishing 2nd in MAAC. This was only after Shaheen Holloway 2nd Year. They also lost their conference rookie of year to Oregon and are still playing unselfish and discipline basketball. What are you watching? What are you blaming our failures on? Because Holloway is proving you dont need to be in a power 6 conference or have world class facilities to show you know how to coach.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Nov 27, 2020 20:15:03 GMT -5
Team’s talent is overrated. Not a lot in the program. At some point can’t make excuses any longer. i don't buy that. imo, there is solid talent on this roster, good enough to finish mid-pack in the a10. it's become pretty obvious to me what the problem is. My thoughts- My hunch is if we get a chance to play this season (things are precarious) we work out some kinks eventually end up there (roughly mid pack A10 competitive) given this existing personnel. So, I am expecting we get relatively better. If past is prologue, under coach A we have looked lost, somewhat hopeless and stunk early, but progressed and then played better as a season went on. (Not world beater better, just better). But please don't confuse this with its OK how bad we are now. This sucks. 2 very disgusting losses where we were not competitive, did not seem prepared to play.
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Post by walkon on Nov 27, 2020 20:36:39 GMT -5
Coach isn’t the one turning the ball over 26 times. That was absolutely pathetic yesterday. I saw passes thrown that even a middle schooler wouldn’t consider, those across court tosses make me cringe. Our basic basketball IQ is lacking. Sure, maybe we weren’t prepared for that type of press, and a defense as aggressive as I have seen in a long time. But the horrendous passing, terrible ball handling, and poor free throw shooting is on these guys. Beatty and Spencer are non-factors, not good for experienced guys. I applaud Hikim and Brickus, they gave solid effort.
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Post by glorydays on Nov 27, 2020 21:36:16 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that they get better talent than we do. But here we are It is either better talent or better coaching. Either way it falls at the feet of our coach. He needs to look in the mirror. It is not working. He needs to do something different. OK, so where does that actually leave us? Are we just off to a horrible start or is this a "Paradise Jam" kind of moment like we experienced with Billy Hahn. I hope not. That really cost Hahn legitimacy as a coach. I am going to be an optimist and just say we are off to a horrible start.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 27, 2020 21:59:02 GMT -5
It is either better talent or better coaching. Either way it falls at the feet of our coach. He needs to look in the mirror. It is not working. He needs to do something different. OK, so where does that actually leave us? Are we just off to a horrible start or is this a "Paradise Jam" kind of moment like we experienced with Billy Hahn. I hope not. That really cost Hahn legitimacy as a coach. I am going to be an optimist and just say we are off to a horrible start. I don’t think it is a horrible start. I mean it is but I think this is who we are. Lacking in several areas to make the team consistently competitive.We may play better games as the year progresses but I don’t see how we can win enough with our make-up. Hahn’s teams hated one another. I don’t think that is even close to this year who share the ball at least and seem to like each other.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2020 22:12:44 GMT -5
I feel like there’s a version of my life where 20 years from now we’re on our 9th different head coach in the A-10 and people still think the coaching is the problem with the program. So you think the coaching is fine? Really? Well luckily you dont have to look far to see what a good coach looks like. St Peter's should have beat st johns yesterday, beat us convincingly today. Clearly are playing up to their opponents. As a team last year they surprised every one by finishing 2nd in MAAC. This was only after Shaheen Holloway 2nd Year. They also lost their conference rookie of year to Oregon and are still playing unselfish and discipline basketball. What are you watching? What are you blaming our failures on? Because Holloway is proving you dont need to be in a power 6 conference or have world class facilities to show you know how to coach. I think St. Peter’s builds a roster to win the MAAC and sometimes that works out against other teams in better conferences. La Salle has to build a very different roster to try and win in a much better league and with all those risks comes a lot more downside. The idea that we could put their roster in our conference is a non-starter. So big picture, no, I don’t think coaching is our problem and hasn’t been our problem for ~25 years. I’m sure Jay Wright could win here but the vast majority of coaches can’t because we’re a program that through a combination of can nots and will nots makes winning nearly impossible. Only someone too deep inside the program wouldn’t see the real issue and the forever misplaced blame.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2020 22:13:34 GMT -5
(And this is very much not blaming the current administration. The roadblocks were put in place long before they came on.)
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Post by vital on Nov 27, 2020 22:29:23 GMT -5
Double-digit loss to a MAAC team. Year 3 of Ash. He recruited decent players, but now I'm wondering if he has any ability to game-day coach. By year 3 I expected to see something...some type of system, some type of defense, some work on fundamentals of ball protection and making free throws. It just isn't there 2 games in. We simply should not lose to this St. Peter's team by double digits. Ash does not or cannot make adjustments to his players game! He has to find each players strength and weaknesses to define their roles better..and as I said 2 seasons ago it's hard to play when your in and out a lineup with no confidence or structure...The hustle guy mentality will only keep in the game for so long...you need more
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Post by vital on Nov 27, 2020 22:35:15 GMT -5
Coach isn’t the one turning the ball over 26 times. That was absolutely pathetic yesterday. I saw passes thrown that even a middle schooler wouldn’t consider, those across court tosses make me cringe. Our basic basketball IQ is lacking. Sure, maybe we weren’t prepared for that type of press, and a defense as aggressive as I have seen in a long time. But the horrendous passing, terrible ball handling, and poor free throw shooting is on these guys. Beatty and Spencer are non-factors, not good for experienced guys. I applaud Hikim and Brickus, they gave solid effort. Coach Ash came from a Fortune 500 Basketball Program...
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Post by glorydays on Nov 28, 2020 6:12:59 GMT -5
OK, so where does that actually leave us? Are we just off to a horrible start or is this a "Paradise Jam" kind of moment like we experienced with Billy Hahn. I hope not. That really cost Hahn legitimacy as a coach. I am going to be an optimist and just say we are off to a horrible start. I don’t think it is a horrible start. I mean it is but I think this is who we are. Lacking in several areas to make the team consistently competitive.We may play better games as the year progresses but I don’t see how we can win enough with our make-up. Hahn’s teams hated one another. I don’t think that is even close to this year who share the ball at least and seem to like each other. Thanks for giving this some context. I will back off the ledge.
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Post by kevin1aai on Nov 28, 2020 8:11:53 GMT -5
Team has not looked good at all but it is early. Let's see if they improve over the next few weeks. Lose to Drexel, Towson, or Delaware, though and the alarms should sound off.
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Post by festushagan on Nov 28, 2020 8:22:29 GMT -5
Agree with last post, it is early! Scoring 51 points and losing to a MAAC foe on a neutral appointment is disappointing Did view the Saint Johns game, 26 turnovers or 24 as listed in the paper is perplexing, were any of these players ever coached ?
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Post by big5vet on Nov 28, 2020 8:28:49 GMT -5
Your explanation makes sense to me except I can't quite envision the "combination of can nots and will nots". Maybe too much turkey or advancing years ('67). Could you elaborate? Are we talking about $$$, recruiting practices, admissions standards, BoT interference?
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Post by haze202 on Nov 28, 2020 9:00:49 GMT -5
Everything is gonna be ok! For 1 Lasalle runs a different offense from last year. With COVID he didn’t have an off season with the players. Trust me it makes a huge difference!! So basically he had 1 month before the games started. In the off season is where a coaching can be hands on with development. It’s where they would be able to see and figure out which player’s skill set would fit whatever role in the offense! Coach Ash didn’t have the benefit of that. And most importantly the players didn’t have to the off season to get comfortable with each other in the mechanics of the new offense. They will get better as the season goes on! No one in the program is in comfortable place yet. Yes they’re turning the ball over like hot cakes BUT the flip side of that is that they’re sharing the ball which means no one is going rogue in frustration. So they’re still together! Ash will turn this around
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Post by heftyexpl on Nov 28, 2020 9:09:00 GMT -5
When you look at the box score too many guys are getting too many minutes. I know a lot of people have already pointed out - not being able to get into any sort of rhythm with the constant substitutions and lineup changes.
Think rn Ash needs to cut into Kenney Kimbrough and Beatty minutes. All three are committing unnecessary turnovers, playing out of control and jacking up shots. Kenney especially really hurt us the last two games. I cant get over the inbound pass turnover at end of first half to st johns. It was so lackadaisical and after a timeout.
I would start Hikim and Brickus at guards. Spencer as your shooter. Clark at 4 (hope he finds his touch) and Moore. Hikim and Brickus can both beat their defender off the dribble and pass out to open man.
You let Ray come in for a spark and hustle plays. Beatty come in for offense. Kimbrough can give Moore a breather - but not extended minutes.
It sucks to say but Kenney and Stone should not be getting serious minutes. They are hurting the development of the better players on this team.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 28, 2020 9:09:59 GMT -5
Is Anwar a redshirt candidate? Would be weird since I think he was a post-grad so he’s probably 19 already.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 28, 2020 9:55:27 GMT -5
I agree on the substitution patterns. Not everyone should play 20 minutes. If they do something is wrong. One of our problems is the 1st guy is not much better than our 10th guy. That makes a mediocre team.
I don’t but the COVID excuse. Every team is dealing with it.
We don’t have players that can break their man down and consistently score the ball. Our other problem is we have upperclassmen that are not consistent and/or just not very good. That is not going to change at any point this year. That prevents us from winning unless we play within an offensive set that gets players open and easy shots. Even then we need to take better care of the basketball.
Find a 6-7 man rotation where those 6-7 players run the offense the best while committing to playing defense. That is our best case scenario in my mind to get the most out of this season.
As we stand here today can anyone honestly say this program is any better than when G left?
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Post by hoopsguest on Nov 28, 2020 10:01:26 GMT -5
Is Anwar a redshirt candidate? Would be weird since I think he was a post-grad so he’s probably 19 already. If he redshirts he gets 4 more years after this one. If he plays he gets 4 more years after this one due to the NCAA ruling because of Covid. The only players around the country sitting out are the handful who were denied waivers after transferring, those who are injured, and those academically ineligible.
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Post by explorerentourage on Nov 28, 2020 10:08:29 GMT -5
Is Anwar a redshirt candidate? Would be weird since I think he was a post-grad so he’s probably 19 already. The Inquirer after the St. John's game said he was injured and would miss the St. Peter's game.
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Post by 23won on Nov 28, 2020 10:38:11 GMT -5
88, this team is playing no better than any G team right now. I have hope they will but something has to give on the lineups and offensive approach for this to work.
Biggest problem I see with O is that there is no system or flow and people are lined up on four spots around the arc, where we move the ball like a CYO B team, hoping for an open shot and often getting a low percentage covered shots from or near the corner. We're not Nova with loads of talent. You can't run that and hit an open 3 more than 34% of the time with our personnel. We also have no one cutting off the ball so when someone does drive lane it is usally defended by 2 or 3 opponents and this leads to a miss, turnover or runout.
Based on what I've seen, the core group should be Jig, AH, Spencer, Clark (based on promise and the need to shed rust) and Moore. We need to drive with cutters nearby and start making close in shots. We can't have four guys cemented to their space on the arc. We can get a lead with this group and there is enough backline height to compensate defensively. the two guards here can create speed mismatches and we can 3/4 court press where the long-armed backline should steal lazy or pressured passes. we also need to aggressively attack opposing presses. Jig and AH could do this but we have to pass over the pressure and make the press pay by beating the back end. Moore at half court could get the pass out to cutting Clark or Scott.
Once this group can get a lead, you can rotate in pieces that can change pace with defensive pressure (Beatty, Ray and Jared), but you have to keep Jig or AH in the mix and we need a scorer (Clark or Spencer).
If we can maintain a lead, others can come in. Kenney can be an instant offense threat or a shooter spotting Clark or Scott, but he has to cut the TOs or his time should be cut from the 20s to the sub 10s until he can improve on the mental lapses and TOS. He's capable of coming in and dropping 9 points in a minute or two and that is great, but he needs to improve overall.
With Moore and Jared getting PT, I'd be inclined to redshirt Brandon. He is developing and getting stronger, but to be candid, he is not going to compete this year in the A10. Guys like him have benefitted from this and what is the rush with his development when we have a lot of people fighting for limited PT? If he is cool with that, it would benefit him to RS IMO.
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