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Post by DE-LSU84 on Feb 4, 2013 10:05:19 GMT -5
I was at the Smith Center on Saturday and for the life of me I still cannot figure out what happened on the flagrant foul call. From what I saw/heard at the game i thought the original call was a foul on Roman Gallaway. I saw him in pain and grabbing his throat. Then I saw John look to and speak with Pappy and then ask the ref for a review. Most people in my section (214) were dumbfounded that a coach would be able to request video review on an ordinary foul call. Can someone explain what I missed? Anyway, it turned out to be a 4 point swing and helped when GW made thier run.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 4, 2013 10:13:12 GMT -5
The coaching staff saw Galloway get hit with an elbow setting the screen. The first call was a moving screen but at the same time Armwood got his elbow up into Galloway's throat/neck. The ref said that if G wanted to call a TO they would review the play but they wouldn't review without him using a TO. It's not a "challenge" but if there's a TO the coach can ask the official to have a look a tthe monitor for a flagrant foul possibly. They went to the video and saw the evidence. It was a heads up call by the LS bench.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 4, 2013 10:14:15 GMT -5
It happended right in front of the La Salle bench. Ramon was hurt and I do believe a coach can ask for a review in the event of a suspected flagrant foul.
I am surprised that the Ramon foul was rescinded and would have thought two fouls would still be called after they caught Armwood on video with the flagrant.
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Post by DE-LSU84 on Feb 4, 2013 10:32:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the explaination. I thought I was going a little crazy when I thought the original call was against LaSalle and then we shoot two free throws and get possession.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 4, 2013 10:51:44 GMT -5
The coaching staff saw Galloway get hit with an elbow setting the screen. The first call was a moving screen but at the same time Armwood got his elbow up into Galloway's throat/neck. The ref said that if G wanted to call a TO they would review the play but they wouldn't review without him using a TO. It's not a "challenge" but if there's a TO the coach can ask the official to have a look a tthe monitor for a flagrant foul possibly. Assuming the refs know the rules, it's slightly different. The coach always has the right to ask for a video review without using a timeout. However if the coach is wrong - i.e. there was no flagrant foul - then a timeout is assessed to the team that asked for the review. |
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Post by explorerman on Feb 4, 2013 11:04:48 GMT -5
The coaching staff saw Galloway get hit with an elbow setting the screen. The first call was a moving screen but at the same time Armwood got his elbow up into Galloway's throat/neck. The ref said that if G wanted to call a TO they would review the play but they wouldn't review without him using a TO. It's not a "challenge" but if there's a TO the coach can ask the official to have a look a tthe monitor for a flagrant foul possibly. Assuming the refs know the rules, it's slightly different. The coach always has the right to ask for a video review without using a timeout. However if the coach is wrong - i.e. there was no flagrant foul - then a timeout is assessed to the team that asked for the review. This is correct |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 4, 2013 11:09:26 GMT -5
Degler said on the radio and I thought I could also hear the ref tell the table that Doc G could call a Time Out to initiate the review since the foul was called against La Salle initially. It's not like Ramon was shooting and got fouled and they went to the review to check the flagrant nature, in this case they missed the call completely. I also thought that Ramon still would've been charged with the foul but the flagrant foul would've resulted in the 2 shots and the ball anyway.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 4, 2013 12:07:35 GMT -5
Relevant part of the NCAA rule on flagrant fouls:
a. When there is a foul called for contact, the officials, with a plausible reason, may review the severity of that foul during the dead ball period following the call. When the ball becomes live, here shall be no review of the made call.
b. A coach may request a monitor review to determine if any of the fouls in 2-13.2.d.1 occurred. When no such foul is assessed, a timeout shall be charged to that team.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 4, 2013 12:17:31 GMT -5
Was it a good call? Should it have been a flagrant?
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Post by explorerman on Feb 4, 2013 12:24:47 GMT -5
Relevant part of the NCAA rule on flagrant fouls: a. When there is a foul called for contact, the officials, with a plausible reason, may review the severity of that foul during the dead ball period following the call. When the ball becomes live, here shall be no review of the made call. b. A coach may request a monitor review to determine if any of the fouls in 2-13.2.d.1 occurred. When no such foul is assessed, a timeout shall be charged to that team.Thank you! |
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Post by Gnocchi on Feb 4, 2013 12:45:43 GMT -5
16:18 Foul on Ramon Galloway 49-36 16:18 Ramon Galloway Turnover. 49-36 16:18 49-36 Foul on Isaiah Armwood 16:18 Ramon Galloway made Free Throw. 50-36 16:18 Ramon Galloway made Free Throw. 51-36 16:18 51-36 Isaiah Armwood Turnover. 16:07 Sam Mills made Jumper. Assisted by Tyreek Duren. 53-36 scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=330330045&period=2Foul on Galloway stands, flagrant foul on Armwood, no timeout La Salle. |
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