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Post by calsufan on Mar 23, 2020 16:51:50 GMT -5
You have Ed averaging a double-double in the Big East when he couldn't do it in the A10. That's laughable. Only 2 players in the Big East averaged a double-double this year: Tyrique Jones from Xavier (11.1 rpg and 14.0 ppg) and Paul Reed from DePaul (10.7 rpg and 15.1 ppg). Both those guys were 2nd Team All Big East this year. That's the beauty of these disagreements... They will be settled... Young man averages 10 and 7.3 on 20 mpg in a tough A10... You say it's "laughable" that to posit that he could average 10 and 10 in the Big East with a year off to work on his game and body... We'll see... I watched him get an easy 24 and 18 against TWO bigger St. Louis players a few weeks ago.. We disagree... That's ok... I don't feel your opinion is "laughable"... I know my perspective isn't "laughable"...
I don't think either position is laughable. For Ed to average a double double in the Big East, he'd have to play better D and also stay out of foul trouble. Maybe Cooley can coach him up to do that. No one knows until he spends some time on the court next year. The other variable in Ed's minutes this year is how many minutes did he sit because of foul trouble and how many minutes did he sit due to rotation philosophy by Ash (match ups would also come into play here). Everything is an unknown right now. Based on the past just taking the raw numbers I'd say he doesn't average a double double? Am I right? Who the hell knows, but it's possible that he could and possible that he couldn't; however, I don't think laughable is in the equation.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 23, 2020 16:52:08 GMT -5
Can we please get to page 14!π€π€π€ Done and done!
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Post by sidclassof69 on Mar 23, 2020 17:57:55 GMT -5
Do I hear 15?πππ
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Post by crayzeeguy on Mar 24, 2020 11:42:42 GMT -5
Can we please get to page 14!π€π€π€ Trying to track down Duke Gola for his take on the whole Ed situation.
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Post by sidclassof69 on Mar 25, 2020 8:41:26 GMT -5
Wow- It May be over! Looks like Big Ed is not going to make it to Page 15πππ
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Post by 23won on Mar 25, 2020 8:57:24 GMT -5
No way this gets to 14+ pages without a COVID-19 boost!
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Post by 1801olney on Mar 25, 2020 10:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by calsufan on Mar 25, 2020 10:22:17 GMT -5
That's a somewhat misleading statistic. That's grad transfers only. They're not as likely to see as much playing time as someone who's transferring with two or more years of eligibility left. Most coaches would want to build around longer term players I would think; therefore, I would suspect non-grad transfer players would see more minutes and have a greater opportunity to score in double figures.
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Post by sweat83 on Mar 25, 2020 12:18:29 GMT -5
They appear to just fill an open roster spot, and an insurance policy in the event a team gets hit pretty hard with injuries.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 25, 2020 12:45:29 GMT -5
or else they're willing to take on a smaller role at their new school for an almost-guaranteed chance to play in the ncaa tournament. look at matt mooney and tariq owens who transferred up from south dakota and st johns to texas tech who made it to the national title game in 2019. both ended up playing big roles in tech's success.
this is why at this point it is very hard for coach ash to bring in an impact grad transfer. the good ones who actually have a chance to get into the rotation at their new schools want to play in the tournament as most haven't made it there yet. marfo and enoskie are perfect examples. hell, a grad transfer from columbia just committed to duke. ryan betley from penn is going to end up at a p5 school because he's good enough to be in the rotation at one.
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Post by 23won on Mar 25, 2020 15:39:44 GMT -5
or else they're willing to take on a smaller role at their new school for an almost-guaranteed chance to play in the ncaa tournament. look at matt mooney and tariq owens who transferred up from south dakota and st johns to texas tech who made it to the national title game in 2019. both ended up playing big roles in tech's success. this is why at this point it is very hard for coach ash to bring in an impact grad transfer. the good ones who actually have a chance to get into the rotation at their new schools want to play in the tournament as most haven't made it there yet. marfo and enoskie are perfect examples. hell, a grad transfer from columbia just committed to duke. ryan betley from penn is going to end up at a p5 school because he's good enough to be in the rotation at one. Good points all around. We are 11 deep now with pretty good positional depth for the talent we are able to attract at this time. Let the young players get the PT instead of having new grad transfers chew into PT. If the young guys don't get PT, they can flip for the portal so you have to be really careful on what you are adding to an existing roster where 9-11 can play in the A10 now.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 29, 2020 10:10:22 GMT -5
I just see it very differently... I think the odds that he will start at PF and do very well are heavily stacked in his favor... I've been a big Ed Croswell fan since he was playing with Philly Pride... I think he plays 27-30 mins per game and average 10 rpg... and at least 10 ppg... Arkansas, St John's, South Carolina and several other HM programs offered Ed... He chose Ed Cooley, which makes sense I'm not here to argue just would like to ask a couple of questions if you don't mind. Maybe you can shed some light. Also not here to disparage Ed since I too am a fan and have seen him since his early days at SJP. Why do you think he will average 27-30 mins at Providence when we averaged 21.8 at La Salle? Was Ashley holding him back? I don't think so. La Salle had at least 3 players average more than 26 min/game. If Ed was your first or second best player why wouldn't you ride him? Second question is why does it make sense that he chose Ed Cooley? Are you saying that he was the best coach from the standpoint of coaching and development? All I heard and saw was Ashley constantly giving instruction. Thought of third question, he averaged 7.6 rebounds in 21.8 minutues at La Salle. Logic dictates the level of competition in BE and Providence schedule is tougher. He's going to get more rebounds per game yet play tougher more physical ( logic seems to say commit more fouls) competition? Thank you.
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Post by nealum on Mar 29, 2020 12:35:46 GMT -5
I find the 3/23 post by Phillyhoops4life interesting. He seems sure that Ed will start at Providence & that he'll make a lot of money playing in Europe after graduation. He seems to have a good relationship with Cooley. It makes one wonder - did Ed 'leave' the program or was he recruited away from LaSalle with the promise of 'greener pastures"?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 29, 2020 14:37:35 GMT -5
It makes one wonder - did Ed 'leave' the program or was he recruited away from LaSalle with the promise of 'greener pastures"? Maybe it was Divine Providence
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Post by calsufan on Mar 29, 2020 16:01:34 GMT -5
I find the 3/23 post by Phillyhoops4life interesting. He seems sure that Ed will start at Providence & that he'll make a lot of money playing in Europe after graduation. He seems to have a good relationship with Cooley. It makes one wonder - did Ed 'leave' the program or was he recruited away from LaSalle with the promise of 'greener pastures"? I doubt he was recruited away. I get the feeling that Ed left of his own volition. I agree with Phillyhoops4life that Ed has the potential to make money overseas. I think he needs to work on his scoring and a short jumper, but I think he can do that.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Apr 5, 2020 21:28:20 GMT -5
I just see it very differently... I think the odds that he will start at PF and do very well are heavily stacked in his favor... I've been a big Ed Croswell fan since he was playing with Philly Pride... I think he plays 27-30 mins per game and average 10 rpg... and at least 10 ppg... Arkansas, St John's, South Carolina and several other HM programs offered Ed... He chose Ed Cooley, which makes sense I'm not here to argue just would like to ask a couple of questions if you don't mind. Maybe you can shed some light. Also not here to disparage Ed since I too am a fan and have seen him since his early days at SJP. Why do you think he will average 27-30 mins at Providence when we averaged 21.8 at La Salle? Was Ashley holding him back? I don't think so. La Salle had at least 3 players average more than 26 min/game. If Ed was your first or second best player why wouldn't you ride him? Second question is why does it make sense that he chose Ed Cooley? Are you saying that he was the best coach from the standpoint of coaching and development? All I heard and saw was Ashley constantly giving instruction. Thought of third question, he averaged 7.6 rebounds in 21.8 minutues at La Salle. Logic dictates the level of competition in BE and Providence schedule is tougher. He's going to get more rebounds per game yet play tougher more physical ( logic seems to say commit more fouls) competition? Thank you.
I've watched Ed on the Under Armour Circuit and I've watched Ed in the A10... I think Ed is an elite rebounder... Period! If he played 30 mins at La Salle, believe Ed would have averaged around 14 and 11...
He will do well in the Big East... He is a technically sound position rebounder in addition to being big and strong enough to match-up with just about any PF/C in the nation...
He will sit a year... Learn, prepare and get stronger... We'll see... They keep statistics...
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Post by jellybean on Apr 11, 2020 8:10:05 GMT -5
I've watched Ed since his JR year at the Prep and in the A10 too. I saw him play an opening round PIAA game at Ryan versus Abington and Eric Dixon. Dixon kicked Ed's butt all over the gym in the first quarter. Speedy, Randy and Keith all took turns giving Ed the "Come to Jesus" talk. It worked because Ed was not intimidated. He eventually took it to Dixon. He was having fun and more relaxed. Heck, he even grabbed a loose ball and dribbled 3/4 of the court for a layup. People don't realize he had those skills. We only saw that once and it was this year when he took a pass at the high post and powered to the hoop for a slam. I knew he could do that.
I believe that game against Abington and Eric Dixon was the moment the light bulb went on for him. I may be mistaken and hope someone can refresh my memory but I believe Ed was mid 2nd team All- Catholic. In other words, he was like the 15th highest selection of the voters.
Credit for Ed's progression must start with him but a large amount should also go the John Giannini for seeing the talent and recruiting him to La Salle. Maybe someone can list Ed's final list. Finally to Ashley and his staff for working with Ed to develop his skills. Ed is the classic type of big guy the A10 needs to target and develop. So I'm just curious that he will learn more when Ash and the staff worked so hard to make him the player he is today.
So Ed is an ELITE Rebounder. Period. No one disagrees with that point. In fact, I would say he's the best Offensive Rebounder La Salle has seen since Truck Butts.
Again, my question to Del is "why did he not play 30 minutes a game?" I looked at his career stats, he only played 30 minutes or more in 4 of his 58 games at La Salle. He only had 10 games out of 58 games where he had 27 minutes or more. Was that Ashley's issue? I don't think so entirely.
To use a horse racing analogue,Ed will be stepping up in class when he plays at Providence and in the BE. Last season, Providence played #37 toughest schedule. If we use the Kenpom Tier A (top 50) and B (top 51-100) team system, we will see that Ed played 9 top Tier A & B teams of the 27 games he played. Contrast that to Providence's 18 of 31 (15 out of 18 BE games).
I wish Ed good luck and harbor no ill will towards him.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 11, 2020 10:33:50 GMT -5
looked on verbal commits. ed's offers out of hs besides la salle were towson, rider, nicholls state and morgan state.
in addition to turnovers, his biggest issue this year was foul trouble early in games, mainly because of his struggles with defending the ball screen. that's why ed only averaged 21 minutes per game. coach ash had to sit him a lot of first half minutes to keep him from picking up his third before halftime. if he wants to stay on the floor for 30 minutes at providence, he's going to need to fix that.
i think ed will be better off if the immediate transfer rule doesn't go through so he can use next year to work on that and learning how to pass the ball out of the post which is where most of his turnovers came from. if he can improve in those areas, that will greatly improve his chances of getting those 30 minutes per game. good luck to him.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Apr 12, 2020 8:19:00 GMT -5
Jellybean and Diehardexplorer you guys have well summed up Ed's game for me.
I will miss Ed. I appreciated how Ed was a "gamer". He seem to be a key contributor when the game was on the line. Often upped his game, and delivered.
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Post by sidclassof69 on Apr 12, 2020 9:27:40 GMT -5
Will you guys please stop this( writing about Ed)- I have a bet that we would not reach 15 pages+ I thought. I was safe! Letβs move on+ Justin wish the big guy, GOOD LUCK!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2020 11:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 28, 2020 12:20:06 GMT -5
As per my post yesterday on the Transfer Rule Changes thread, the NCAA has postponed voting on the proposed one time exception to the transfer rules until January, 2021.
Ergo, this probably means that Ed will have to sit out next season before he becomes eligible to play for the Friars ( which is also probably a good thing in terms of his maturation and overall development into a Big East caliber player ).
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Post by sidclassof69 on Apr 28, 2020 13:16:36 GMT -5
Can we please move on from Ed?
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 29, 2020 11:20:49 GMT -5
Do I hear 15?πππ GOOD LUCK big guy !!!
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 29, 2020 15:20:03 GMT -5
This will definitely get to 15 pages in the fall of 21.
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Post by festushagan on Apr 30, 2020 11:48:46 GMT -5
Could not resist, shooting for 15 now!
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Post by MisterD on Apr 30, 2020 11:51:26 GMT -5
This may or may not reach 15 pages. We'll see.
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Post by festushagan on Apr 30, 2020 11:53:12 GMT -5
hope so... too much free time just now.....
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 30, 2020 12:39:57 GMT -5
MBB 2019 Atlantic 1o Semifinals
#11 Ed Croswell
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 25, 2020 23:13:24 GMT -5
Ed has 10 points and 6 boards in 14 minutes off the bench tonight in a 41-point rout of Fairfield by the Friars.
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