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Post by vital on Feb 15, 2020 16:25:49 GMT -5
Deas with a bone head turnover that is a microcosm of his career. Just when your team is trying to make run. Give it a rest. They were +3 with him in this run. Why aren't you pointing out our PG Kenney hasn't had an assist in the last 46 minutes. Deas just has to be smart and move the ball that's all in that situation..
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 15, 2020 16:26:24 GMT -5
Deas with a bone head turnover that is a microcosm of his career. Just when your team is trying to make run. Give it a rest. They were +3 with him in this run. Why aren't you pointing out our PG Kenney hasn't had an assist in the last 46 minutes. Kenney hasn’t had an assist in 46 minutes.
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Post by Happy Fortune on Feb 15, 2020 16:33:07 GMT -5
I’d be perfectly fine with Ayinde playing all 40 min.
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Post by a10 on Feb 15, 2020 16:42:20 GMT -5
No one seriously thought we had a chance when it got down to an 11-point difference, did they?
The reult of this game NEVER felt in doubt.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 15, 2020 16:42:29 GMT -5
I’d be perfectly fine with Ayinde playing all 40 min. Yes, high upside.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 15, 2020 16:48:44 GMT -5
Give it a rest. They were +3 with him in this run. Why aren't you pointing out our PG Kenney hasn't had an assist in the last 46 minutes. Kenney hasn’t had an assist in 46 minutes. Kenney broke his streak with :28 seconds left when he assisted Kimbrough's basket. In last two games, he had 1 assist in 50 minutes. In last three games spanning 79 minutes he has TWO. That's our future PG.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 15, 2020 16:52:35 GMT -5
Story of the game was again inside the arc (not only points in the paint).
SLU was 24-40 La Salle was 12-27. They made nearly as many as we attempted. A little too 3pt happy? You think?
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Post by calsufan on Feb 15, 2020 16:53:39 GMT -5
Once again points in the paint and the other team's offensive rebounding killed us. SLU had 38 points in the paint to our 20. They doubled the amount of offensive rebounds that we had, 14 to 7. And for good measure, they shot 60% within the 3pt. line to our 44%. There you have it folks.
Edit: Jellybean and my post were a minute apart. We're pretty much making the same point.
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Post by vital on Feb 15, 2020 16:59:39 GMT -5
Is it me or over the last 2 season this team has to many lineup changes?? Hikim plays the he don't...Jared plays and now Stone don't
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Post by manayunk53 on Feb 15, 2020 17:32:39 GMT -5
Story of the game was again inside the arc (not only points in the paint). SLU was 24-40 La Salle was 12-27. They made nearly as many as we attempted. A little too 3pt happy? You think? We are going to play Nova ball whether we have the players or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 18:21:50 GMT -5
Just finished watching the game, some observations. We looked absolutely terrible in first half. It was like a continuation of the Richmond game. We were a different team in the second half. Played good defense for the most part. We take way too many threes. I think it helped Hakim going to the basket. We need to do more of that as team. We outscored them in the second half. The officiating made the second half almost unwatchable. Do they sit around during halftime and say something like "let's call everything, let's see if we can call 40 fouls in the half" They were probably sad they only got to 36. What has happened to Phiri and Deas? We need more guys cutting to the basket. It good that we pass the ball around well. But mix it up. Once again, if we were a better foul shooting team we would a much better record.
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Post by 23won on Feb 15, 2020 18:49:30 GMT -5
I have decided to say only good things and objective observations for the balance of ‘20.
Good things : Ayinde has serious onions. Play him 30 minutes or more from here on out
Objective observations to follow on our negative 23 point run against SLU
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Post by 23won on Feb 15, 2020 18:52:59 GMT -5
Objectively we lose games on big scoring droughts which happen due to lousy shot prep, preparation and execution. Here is an example of how our offense performed against SLU in most of the second half of the first half
17-16 11:25. Croswell leaves game w 2 fouls
Ayinde hard dish to covered Kimbrough. TO
Long 3 Phiri w 22 on shot clock - Miss
Beatty corner 3 with 10 on shot - miss
Ray corner 3 w :18 on shot clock - miss
Spencer corner 3 w :14 - MAKE
Kimbrough can’t finish 1:1 layup feed from Kensey with :11 on shot clock
Spencer turnover pass to a covered Kimbrough 5’ from hoop
Ayinde drives on 3 bigs and gets shot blocked 7’ from hoop with :15 on shot clock
Kenney turnover pass to Stone who is not open and is covered in the lane w :14 on shot clock ( no reason to force that pass)
Ayinde nice alley oop pass to Stone 2’ from basket who misses uncovered dunk that was literally rim high without anyone defending.
9:00 plus without a La Salle score
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Post by nealum on Feb 15, 2020 19:04:52 GMT -5
It was painful to watch - helter skelter on steroids. No flow for either team. Refs were terrible. Bad calls took LaSalle (and Ed) out of the first half and St. Louis in the second half. A few observations:
1 - Coach has to know every game that the other team will target Ed to get him on the bench in foul trouble. Ash knew it was coming. What adjustment did he make? None. Why not a zone once in a while?
2 - Stone's foot speed is inadequate for man to man. But, he'd be great in a zone defense on the wing with his height and wing span. Plus, offensively he can shoot if set up by someone driving to the basket. He's a talent but not being used properly.
3 - With Ed out, we have no low post game. Either on defense or offense. Where is our backup big man behind Ed? Where's our graduate big man transfer?
4 - In the first half, St. Louis played 'fast break basketball' and scored a lot off transition. So what does Ash to in the second half? He implements a full court press to speed up a game that LaSalle couldn't keep up with in the 1st half! We committed 3x's as many hack fouls trying to steal the ball with the 2nd half press as we got steals. The fouls created an early bonus situation for St. Louis, who shot 24 for 36 in free throws.
THE GOOD NEWS: We shot 18 for 26 in free throws. (Maybe the coaching staff read my post about spending more time on improving free throws)(jk). Excellent for an away game.
I really like Spencer and Ed C for both talent and B Ball IQ.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 15, 2020 19:41:08 GMT -5
No one seriously thought we had a chance when it got down to an 11-point difference, did they? The reult of this game NEVER felt in doubt. I was hoping. They chipped it down that far. But I know what you mean. This team just makes too many mistakes- have to expect mo killing bad shots, a bad pass, failure to box out or a senseless TO. Boom 11 is 15.
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Post by postup on Feb 15, 2020 22:32:16 GMT -5
a10champion15 said:
"Some of your expectations are beyond unreasonable, they're a joke. Your impulse reactions after a blowout loss to Richmond who is a fringe NCAA team is insane."
This quote gets funnier and funnier with yet another blowout loss.
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Post by blueandgold on Feb 15, 2020 23:05:47 GMT -5
A10 has one lock (Dayton) plus six teams that can make an argument for postseason consideration this year, all of whom have filled up most of our 12 conference games the past month and a half. We had a nicer OOC performance than expected, but we were never supposed to have gone even .500 through this portion of the A10 slate (let alone the full A10 schedule). We finished a couple baskets shy in a few of those games and got ran out of the building in the first half of others.
We still have a reasonable path to a .500 season overall. Objectively wouldn’t most of us have accepted such Year 2 results at the onset of the Coach Ash era?
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Post by manayunk53 on Feb 16, 2020 0:03:47 GMT -5
A10 has one lock (Dayton) plus six teams that can make an argument for postseason consideration this year, all of whom have filled up most of our 12 conference games the past month and a half. We had a nicer OOC performance than expected, but we were never supposed to have gone even .500 through this portion of the A10 slate (let alone the full A10 schedule). We finished a couple baskets shy in a few of those games and got ran out of the building in the first half of others. We still have a reasonable path to a .500 season overall. Objectively wouldn’t most of us have accepted such Year 2 results at the onset of the Coach Ash era? Let's switch to Maple.
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Post by kevin1aai on Feb 16, 2020 9:51:53 GMT -5
These guys play hard; just not enough A-10 caliber talent yet. Has been the case for about 23 of the 25 years in this conference which is another story....
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Post by Fastchuck on Feb 16, 2020 11:51:43 GMT -5
It was painful to watch - helter skelter on steroids. No flow for either team. Refs were terrible. Bad calls took LaSalle (and Ed) out of the first half and St. Louis in the second half. A few observations: 1 - Coach has to know every game that the other team will target Ed to get him on the bench in foul trouble. Ash knew it was coming. What adjustment did he make? None. Why not a zone once in a while? The game was over when Ed got his 2nd foul and had to sit. Zone would not have helped then because it came with him battling for a rebound which I assume he would be doing even when playing zone. Last game with SLU Ed dominated French and they came within a missed jump shot of pulling the upset. His fouls came so fast in both halves that there was no time to adjust away from what had proven successful previously. They have played a zone on occasion this year and frankly I have not been impressed with the results.
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Post by a10champion15 on Feb 16, 2020 12:38:05 GMT -5
A10 has one lock (Dayton) plus six teams that can make an argument for postseason consideration this year, all of whom have filled up most of our 12 conference games the past month and a half. We had a nicer OOC performance than expected, but we were never supposed to have gone even .500 through this portion of the A10 slate (let alone the full A10 schedule). We finished a couple baskets shy in a few of those games and got ran out of the building in the first half of others. We still have a reasonable path to a .500 season overall. Objectively wouldn’t most of us have accepted such Year 2 results at the onset of the Coach Ash era? Exactly! Looking at the overall picture, this is the best freshmen class we had in quite some time. Kenney, Hikim and Ray have improved over the course of the season too. Beatty and Spencer also have been improving. I think my only issue with Ash is the lineup changes but he may just be trying things out to see how the pieces fit which is something I can live with in only his second season. Next year, I want to see that die down. I’ve said it before but I believe we have a really solid core moving forward and for me that’s probably the most important thing right now.
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Post by glorydays on Feb 17, 2020 6:28:32 GMT -5
Here were my expectations coming into last year:
Year 1: We'd stink Year 2: We'd be bad but show signs of improvement. Year 3: We'd be competitive. Year 4: We'd have a breakout year.
Not sure where we are so far in year 2. Looking for signs of improvement.
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Post by sweat83 on Feb 17, 2020 10:23:08 GMT -5
Here were my expectations coming into last year: Year 1: We'd stink Year 2: We'd be bad but show signs of improvement. Year 3: We'd be competitive. Year 4: We'd have a breakout year. Not sure where we are so far in year 2. Looking for signs of improvement. signs of improvement? I haven't seen any. There is an occasional tease of competing against a superior opponent, but for the most part, double digit losses have become more of the norm for the past 2 seasons. I can accept the losses in year 2, but the way we are losing them is beyond comprehension. 5 minutes into both this and the Richmond game, the team has looked lost, and their desire to compete, shot. The needle on my "Is Ash a good coach" gauge has seeped into "No" territory. It's not in the red yet, but the team has some work to do these next two games to get the needle moved in the right direction.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 17, 2020 10:31:42 GMT -5
I just think we may as well wait another month to fully assess a completed season. We play some teams we’re capable of beating the next 3 weeks, and maybe when it’s all said and done it doesn’t look quite as ugly. 6-12 in the A-10 and playing well down the stretch looks a lot different than 2-16 would. There’s still a wide range this season could ultimately land in.
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Post by postup on Feb 17, 2020 17:43:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the revised outlook seems to be headed THIS way.....
Year 1: We stink Year 2: We stink Year 3: We might be a little better with addition of the players who out this year. Year 4: We might be a little under .500 in the league, or..............we'll stink.
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Post by 23won on Feb 17, 2020 17:59:21 GMT -5
I just think we may as well wait another month to fully assess a completed season. We play some teams we’re capable of beating the next 3 weeks, and maybe when it’s all said and done it doesn’t look quite as ugly. 6-12 in the A-10 and playing well down the stretch looks a lot different than 2-16 would. There’s still a wide range this season could ultimately land in. 6-12 is kinda meh. I get the effort asterisk on the season IF that happens - *a close road loss to an NCAA tourney team (URI), and close losses to SLU and Duquesne would put a little sliver lining on the season, but there's no guarntee to get to 6 if we keep playing the way we have been. IMO, it will be a wasted season and A10 tourney if Ash can't figure out the right lineup combos (IMO he looks like he is still experimenting), We don't run better offense (we are settling on way too many bad passes within 10' of the rim and too many corner threes that become big misses and/or runouts), and Ash doesn't manage around the scoring droughts by calling timeouts (before the droughts turn close games into desparation comebacks); IMO we'd benefit by stopping the bleeding with more timeouts and by drawing up multiple plays off the timeout for high quality shots; anyone who doesn't abide in that stretch per those directions sits. There are way too many bad passes to guys who can't finish and too many poor shots; players must be accountable and suffer the consequences
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Post by vital on Feb 17, 2020 20:19:13 GMT -5
Creating new plays or create plays according to your players ability is a must for next year or we will be having this same conversation next year!
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Post by glorydays on Feb 17, 2020 21:45:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the revised outlook seems to be headed THIS way..... Year 1: We stink Year 2: We stink Year 3: We might be a little better with addition of the players who out this year. Year 4: We might be a little under .500 in the league, or..............we'll stink. Thanks for making me laugh, postup. I am an optimist by nature. Also, I look for good omens. Here’s one. The other day I was looking at an old deck of cards that my mother (95 and counting) has. The Jack of Diamonds looks like Christian Ray. It must mean something.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 18, 2020 7:57:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the revised outlook seems to be headed THIS way..... Year 1: We stink Year 2: We stink Year 3: We might be a little better with addition of the players who out this year. Year 4: We might be a little under .500 in the league, or..............we'll stink. you're either a troll, a douchebag, or both. i vote for both.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 18, 2020 18:20:54 GMT -5
SLU is only a 2.5 point favorite tonight at UMass. That's a funny line if anybody has the balls to bet the Minutemen.
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