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Post by 23won on Jan 9, 2020 9:39:17 GMT -5
Getting wins on the road will be tough in any league and the A10 in particular. We could have stolen a win with a light crowd but we never commanded control of the game and that is something we need to do. I have higher expectations to beat Mason at Gola but we must start strong, build an early lead and the key the D amp up to lock the game up.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 9, 2020 9:54:43 GMT -5
It is all about progress. We took a step this year winning games on a neutral court against solid mid major teams. Next is trying to win road games in this conference against middle of the pack teams. We are not there yet. Funny thing is one of our biggest problems is our upperclassman do not consistently play well. Last night we got good performances for our upperclassmen except Saul and won the rebounding and turnover battle but never seem to have control of the game. That is because we we shot 40% from the field and 22% from 3 while allowing them to shoot almost 50% for the game and 56% from 3.
The team is not any better that it was when it left the Holiday tournaments. We are not any worse either. I am very concerned with our inconsistency in the frontcourt. We need to be better up front. Our upperclassmen will be inconsistent all year. We need the younger player to start establishing themselves more often and more consistently to take the next step and win on the road in the conference.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 9, 2020 10:40:26 GMT -5
I have higher expectations to beat Mason at Gola but we must start strong, build an early lead and the key the D amp up to lock the game up. Yeah, I'd say GM at home is far more of a benchmark game than UMass on the road. Lets hope we can pull out another Bad Win(tm).
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 9, 2020 11:22:31 GMT -5
I have higher expectations to beat Mason at Gola but we must start strong, build an early lead and the key the D amp up to lock the game up. Yeah, I'd say GM at home is far more of a benchmark game than UMass on the road. Lets hope we can pull out another Bad Win(tm). We beat UMass on the on the road last year, and this year had a better RPI and equivalent NET going into the game. That's a benchmark. Mason at home is also a benchmark, but I don't think more so than a lower ranked UMass just because its on the road. Mason right now has a better RPI but slightly lower NET which took a 34-position dive last night after they lost to Bonaventure.
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Post by 23won on Jan 9, 2020 12:04:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd say GM at home is far more of a benchmark game than UMass on the road. Lets hope we can pull out another Bad Win(tm). We beat UMass on the on the road last year, and this year had a better RPI and equivalent NET going into the game. That's a benchmark. It's hard to make a "last year benchmark" comparison when our biggest problem last night was defending an incoming 4 Star top 72 freshman center. They also play 3 freshmen in total who average 42 point per game. W we also play 4 freshmen but they do not have the same level of productivity so it is not apples to apples and you can't infer that we underperformed last night compared to last year. Look, I think we played ok, tough road loss etc., but bottom line, UMass is a lot better than last year. They also are a lot better than their record indicates, will improve as 5 freshmen get accustomed to D1 play and will be a tough out in Brooklyn.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 9, 2020 12:18:14 GMT -5
We beat UMass on the on the road last year, and this year had a better RPI and equivalent NET going into the game. That's a benchmark. Mason at home is also a benchmark, but I don't think more so than a lower ranked UMass just because its on the road. Mason right now has a better RPI but slightly lower NET which took a 34-position dive last night after they lost to Bonaventure. Do you ever reverse your logic and consider how half the programs in D1 should view La Salle, especially a home game against La Salle?
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 9, 2020 13:40:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd say GM at home is far more of a benchmark game than UMass on the road. Lets hope we can pull out another Bad Win(tm). We beat UMass on the on the road last year, and this year had a better RPI and equivalent NET going into the game. That's a benchmark. Mason at home is also a benchmark, but I don't think more so than a lower ranked UMass just because its on the road. Mason right now has a better RPI but slightly lower NET which took a 34-position dive last night after they lost to Bonaventure. Well it's a benchmark but not even a remotely accurate one. It is laughable you are using RPI in general as a comparison and in January. More importantly, UMass is a completely different team compared to last year between their staff, players and style of play. They are about 60 places better on KenPom compared to the end of last season. Without dragging this out, your argument is just wrong.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 9, 2020 14:17:13 GMT -5
Well it's a benchmark but not even a remotely accurate one. It is laughable you are using RPI in general as a comparison and in January. More importantly, UMass is a completely different team compared to last year between their staff, players and style of play. They are about 60 places better on KenPom compared to the end of last season. Without dragging this out, your argument is just wrong. Wouldn't you say the same for us? Haven't we improved significantly as well? Where is our KenPom compared to last season?
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Post by MisterD on Jan 9, 2020 14:49:33 GMT -5
70 spots higher despite a non-conference SoS over 100 spots worse.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 9, 2020 15:03:47 GMT -5
So if UMass is 60 better than last year, and we are 70 better, wouldn't comparing last year's results against them to this year's still be an accurate benchmark? Seems so to me.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 9, 2020 15:16:12 GMT -5
So if UMass is 60 better than last year, and we are 70 better, wouldn't comparing last year's results against them to this year's still be an accurate benchmark? UMass was a statistical (and I believe book) favorite in both games. We split. While it may seem on par with winning at Fordham in terms of foreshadowing a pending La Salle apocalypse, its just college basketball behaving like college basketball. Only the top A-10 teams have any reasonable basis for expecting to win on the road.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 9, 2020 15:17:18 GMT -5
(And by statistical favorite, its simply KenPom AdjEM plus even a minimum homecourt advantage. UMass started -2 for a very clear reason.)
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 9, 2020 19:47:54 GMT -5
la salle swept umass last year.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 9, 2020 19:54:00 GMT -5
until this team learns to value the ball, they're going to struggle to win a10 games. it seemed like more than 15 turnovers last night, i guess because the majority of them were unforced.
even though they only had 6 in the second half, they all seemed to happen when the team was on the verge of gaining the momentum.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 9, 2020 21:45:59 GMT -5
until this team learns to value the ball, they're going to struggle to win a10 games. it seemed like more than 15 turnovers last night, i guess because the majority of them were unforced. Exactly this. Right now, the Explorers are the worst team in the conference in terms of turnovers per game, averaging 15.3. Next closest us UMass at 14.2. Richmond is the best at 10.7. Just looking at conference games, La Salle is 2nd worst at 16.7. UMass is the worst at 21 (but they only had 2 games so far and committed 25 against SLU in OT). Richmond is the best at 8.5 (also only 2 games). It's a limited sample size right now though. Turnovers are momentum killers, as you pointed out.
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Post by 23won on Jan 10, 2020 11:13:02 GMT -5
If you measure turnovers per 20 minutes played, our turnover situation looks like this
>2 per 20 -- Hikim (2.6), Kenney and Croswell (in order of most to least in this band)
~ 1.5 per 20 -- Deas, Kimbrough, Ray, Stone (in order of most to least in this band)
0.9-1.0 -- Beatty, Spencer, Phiri (in order of most to least in this band)
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Post by calsufan on Jan 10, 2020 11:46:08 GMT -5
If you measure turnovers per 20 minutes played, our turnover situation looks like this >2 per 20 -- Hikim (2.6), Kenney and Croswell (in order of most to least in this band) ~ 1.5 per 20 -- Deas, Kimbrough, Ray, Stone (in order of most to least in this band) 0.9-1.0 -- Beatty, Spencer, Phiri (in order of most to least in this band) If I understand what you said, that means Phiri protects the ball best out of everyone?
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Post by 23won on Jan 10, 2020 14:06:46 GMT -5
Based on #s, yes.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 10, 2020 14:29:01 GMT -5
Phiri should have the least turnovers on the team. He never takes the ball to the rim. Those numbers are terribly skewed. What drives me crazy with Ash letting him handle the ball is that he takes any possibility to of getting points at the rim away.
At least Ayinde will take it to the rim. I want him more involved and just let him learn and turn him loose.
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Post by 23won on Jan 11, 2020 10:35:55 GMT -5
I get what you are saying 88. For the most part we’ve been starting
Beatty Phiri Spencer Deas Croswell
I’d like to see Ayinde start in place of Beatty to see if his role as distributor can get us to a comfortable early lead. He can also be really disruptive defensively and with a home crowd behind him we have the makings for a raucous start. He also can get to the hoop and dish to Ed who has been in a mini slump. Ed needs to get the ball low and he can deliver the mail.
Beatty can come in for Deas, Kenney for Ayinde and then jack up the defensive pressure to create points off turnovers. The rest of the subbing cycles can follow.
You get a good early lead and combine that with our better team defense this year and good things can happen.
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Post by vital on Jan 11, 2020 12:16:08 GMT -5
The biggest problem here with this team is not one of our bigs can face the basket and drive or shoot a 10-12 foot Jumpshot! Jared has taken not one this season...Croswell has shot zero Jumpshots..Stone can but never put in good position to shoot and Diagne has taken 2 shots in his limited minutes bs Dayton...so this is why our guards are struggling to get to the lane or contested 3pt shots except Shaggy because he tends to post some and is a little bit more creative and daring may i say...but throughout the A10 every good team has a starting big that can shoot and go off the dribble...VCU has one...RI has 1..Dayton has 1..Richmond has 1..etc and etc...our big are back down plodding guys who have a hard time passing out the double or cant find the open man...so teams are going to double Shaggy into turnovers...play Saul for the 3pt line and make him drive...as well for Scott and Beatty and allow the freshmen to make many mistakes cause the game is being pushed fast and hectic...We dont need athletic bigs we need fundamental bigs that can shoot pass and defend!
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 11, 2020 12:49:02 GMT -5
if we play better defense we win the game. The real problem is you can’t let teams shoot 50% from the floor and 56% from 3 on you. If you do you lose that game 9 out of 10 times.
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Post by vital on Jan 11, 2020 13:00:45 GMT -5
Good teams can Defend and Score!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 11, 2020 17:36:29 GMT -5
I have higher expectations to beat Mason at Gola but we must start strong, build an early lead and the key the D amp up to lock the game up. Yeah, I'd say GM at home is far more of a benchmark game than UMass on the road. Lets hope we can pull out another Bad Win(tm). Heck of a benchmark today, no?
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Post by MisterD on Jan 11, 2020 17:39:34 GMT -5
Uh, no? It was pretty bad.
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