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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 17, 2019 15:23:49 GMT -5
So this girl and her deranged parents thought she should play. I know this is the OT board but relax.
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Post by 23won on Dec 17, 2019 16:05:45 GMT -5
I question the judgment of our AD in this, or whoever sent the language below as referenced in the article.
If you believe there is a threat of litigation, why send correspondence saying 1 and 2 below? Why not just say 2? Why start the trial already with a foot in the mouth statements? "Hazing" is a powerfully charged word, without a clear legal meaning. Why even use it to refer back negatively?
(1)“The investigation revealed examples of non-violent, power differential hazing,” the statement read in part. (2) “While the investigation found no behavior necessitating university disciplinary action against specific individuals, we take very seriously all claims of hazing and other forms of inappropriate behavior.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 16:14:35 GMT -5
"non-violent, power differential hazing"
COME ON. That's a joke.
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Post by gymrat67 on Dec 17, 2019 16:45:23 GMT -5
Like it or not, rightly or wrongly, these buzzwords have now become terms of art in the lexicon that has evolved in recent years among colleges and universities nationwide in defining what constitutes hazing. Check out, for example : hazing.wfu.edu/understanding-hazing/ www.rochester.edu/college/fsa/hazing/recognizing.html Attachment Deleted The Five Core Lasallian Principles : Attachment Deleted Respect For All Persons : " The Lasallian school engages in a concerted effort to respect the dignity of all persons. Respect-filled relationships are at the heart of a Lasallian education and are a key expression of the acknowledgement of each other's identity as children of God. This core principle is reflected through the Lasallian expression of faith : ' Live Jesus in our hearts … Forever ' "
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Post by calsufan on Dec 17, 2019 22:01:01 GMT -5
I question the judgment of our AD in this, or whoever sent the language below as referenced in the article. If you believe there is a threat of litigation, why send correspondence saying 1 and 2 below? Why not just say 2? Why start the trial already with a foot in the mouth statements? "Hazing" is a powerfully charged word, without a clear legal meaning. Why even use it to refer back negatively? (1)“The investigation revealed examples of non-violent, power differential hazing,” the statement read in part. (2) “While the investigation found no behavior necessitating university disciplinary action against specific individuals, we take very seriously all claims of hazing and other forms of inappropriate behavior.” I'll bet you $100 that attorneys pored over this. And rightly so.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 17, 2019 22:02:22 GMT -5
"non-violent, power differential hazing" COME ON. That's a joke. No, that's the lawyers doing their job. COME ON. Are you to naive to see that?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 17, 2019 22:50:03 GMT -5
I'll bet you $100 that attornies pored over this. And rightly so. That's a lot of hot dogs on dollar dog night.
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Post by 23won on Dec 18, 2019 7:41:52 GMT -5
Of course Cal. Same way the Penn State lawyers pored over and shared their investigation openly in 2011. That was a sh!tshow and you’d think educators and their lawyers would have learned from that.
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Post by sweat83 on Dec 18, 2019 12:00:32 GMT -5
I'll bet you $100 that attornies pored over this. And rightly so. That's a lot of hot dogs on dollar dog night. This thread has just become toxic by referencing Hot Dogs. Some are offended by such dialogue, and feel it is discriminatory against non-meat consumers. This site is not safe, and action needs to be brought against those that post such phrases that emotionally trigger those that believe that mutilating and dismembering livestock, or any animal for that matter, is against the very principal that this site stands for.
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Post by gymrat67 on Dec 18, 2019 12:42:30 GMT -5
"non-violent, power differential hazing" COME ON. That's a joke. No, that's the lawyers doing their job. COME ON. Are you to naive to see that? Note that our new AD Brian Baptiste has a law degree, and per his biography, his prior experience in Athletics Administration includes having been Asst. Director of Compliance at Georgetown and Assoc. Director of Compliance at Delaware.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 18, 2019 22:09:53 GMT -5
I'll bet you $100 that attornies pored over this. And rightly so. That's a lot of hot dogs on dollar dog night. I didn't use a calculator, so check my math, but I'm fairly certain that would be...100 hot dogs.
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Post by jellybean on Dec 19, 2019 8:31:01 GMT -5
I think the world of sports and just pretty much anything would be better if things like "older kids surrounding younger kids in a circle and kicking balls at them" or "making other students pick up my garbage" weren't part of the deal. Does that stuff really help any sort of team effort at all? It's just corny and played. None of it is severe or life threatening but it's just so trivial and stupid. Just be done with that kind of stuff already, society, and La Salle sports in particular. It's a warm up and touch drill. Nothing more. EVERY team I've seen uses it. Players are dozens of yards away. Soccer is a game of kicking the ball and the ball comes from different directions. No one is shooting at anyone's head or face which you stated in another post. BTW there is a you tube clip out there showing the drill by the La Salle players. It was posted by former players. As for "picking up trash doesn't make you a better player" it doesn't make you a worse player either. I know for a fact that Paul has used a system for years. I understand it's generally four separate groups. Generally made up of a Sr, Jr, Soph and Fr. That's why no one or class is always doing it. The groups take turns. I can't believe collecting trash has become bullying. (I should tell my wife that). I assume this horrible task means someone walks up and down the aisle with a trash bag. They tie the bag and then place it in the cargo section of the bus, Gee all this so the bus driver doesn't have to and save the driver a little time when the trip is over. Wow common courtesy is now bullying. They aren't asked to power wash the bus. I always thought you wanted to leave the place (Bus) as clean as when you found it? I'm confused about this issue with food too. Was it one time? The article seemed to say the upper class members of the team ate first and left nothing. I find that very odd? Was she late for the meal? If so why? Did she tell the staff she didn't eat? Knowing La Salle and their major concern with eating disorders I find this strange and think there is more to the story.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 19, 2019 10:32:33 GMT -5
I just think we should stop commenting at this point. There's flaws in every argument because none of us really know anything other than what was in the article. Saying this can't be true because Royal runs a clean and competitive program, and he's a great guy to boot, is the same argument that we heard about Penn State, Michigan State, etc. He might well be the best guy ever, be totally free of blame, but let's be real - none of us really know what is happening.
We're better off not taking sides, not interjecting personal feelings or emotions, and trusting in La Salle's processes. It's a bad situation for all parties. Calling her 'soft' isn't fair. But dumping on Royal isn't fair either. Just let it be and let La Salle handle it.
But what stands out most is the detachment from today's societal changes displayed here. Things you and I were subjected to, that we thought built character, that we thought were normal - like freshman picking up trash, being the last ones to eat, or the last to leave the bus - aren't viewed the same way anymore. I did a lot of those things when I was there, even having a team cut my hair because it's what we did, and I didn't object, and this scenario plays out all across America. But just because we did it this way, that our parents did it that way, and that their parents did it that way, doesn't mean it's right. Tradition doesn't make things right, and our society is adopting this thinking, like it or not.
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Post by brotherteliow on Dec 19, 2019 13:20:04 GMT -5
Yawn. Mild stuff that almost amounts to a misunderstand, but it was positioned as front page new by Inquirer which long has an anti-catholic bias. I wish the young lady best of luck at Temple.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 19, 2019 15:39:08 GMT -5
Yawn. Mild stuff that almost amounts to a misunderstand, but it was positioned as front page new by Inquirer which long has an anti-catholic bias. I wish the young lady best of luck at Temple. Do me a favor please and send me a link to the edition of the Inquirer where they explicitly stated that they have an anti-catholic bias. I believe they have an archived section on their website if you have trouble finding the exact day they said that. Don't forget to use their search function, that'll make it easier and faster for you to find it. I'll wait.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 19, 2019 15:59:28 GMT -5
Yawn. Mild stuff that almost amounts to a misunderstand, but it was positioned as front page new by Inquirer which long has an anti-catholic bias. I wish the young lady best of luck at Temple. Do me a favor please and send me a link to the edition of the Inquirer where they explicitly stated that they have an anti-catholic bias. I believe they have an archived section on their website if you have trouble finding the exact day they said that. Don't forget to use their search function, that'll make it easier and faster for you to find it. I'll wait. www.catholicleague.org/anti-catholicism-in-the-media/The anti-Catholic tactic of the general secular press in the United States is never to address the actual issue involved, but to invoke negative, nativist images of the Church to discredit the position. In 1990, a clear example of this was presented by David Boldt, senior editor of the Philadelphia Inquirer.
To briefly review, Boldt attacked the bishops of the United States simply for adopting a strong public voice over abortion. In his feature, Boldt never addressed that position nor attempted to counter it. Instead, he called the Church an “unAmerican” institution and gravely warned “how delicate the balance of Church and State is in regard to the Catholic Church in America.”
Over and over again, he dismissed the viewpoint of the Church not by contrary arguments, but simply denying the Church the right to speak on the issue, attacking it with insults and epithets and warning that if the bishops continued to publicly address this issue, there was a danger of “reawakening all the old religious prejudices” against Catholics, “by giving them substance.”
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Post by calsufan on Dec 19, 2019 16:06:41 GMT -5
That's all well and good, but I'm looking for the actual statement in the Inquirer. That's an opinion piece by a Catholic aligned organization, just like it was an opinion by brother teliow. I'm merely looking for the article where the Inquirer explicitly stated they're anti-catholic. I appreciate the attempt to help teliow out, but we're not quite there yet.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 19, 2019 16:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by duffin2llc on Dec 19, 2019 17:28:23 GMT -5
Wow. You do realize that the University you graduated from is a Catholic institution, right? The Catholic Church's teaching on abortion has always been consistent. Telling the Bishop to go "F himself" over consistently applying the Church's teaching (after giving the woman 2 warning letters) reeks of ..... anti-catholicism.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 19, 2019 19:11:19 GMT -5
Who ever said Joe went to La Salle? He’s really a Temple Owl, he just liked our colors better so he hung around.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 19, 2019 20:46:13 GMT -5
Wow. You do realize that the University you graduated from is a Catholic institution, right? The Catholic Church's teaching on abortion has always been consistent. Telling the Bishop to go "F himself" over consistently applying the Church's teaching (after giving the woman 2 warning letters) reeks of ..... anti-catholicism. Theres a difference between preaching your views and spending millions on a PR campaign. I did 17 years of catholic school. Every Sunday til I was 18. Didn’t pick La Salle because of the church, sorry.
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 19, 2019 20:48:07 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Dec 19, 2019 23:33:19 GMT -5
Let’s pretend the Inky hates Catholicism... What does religion have to do with them covering this story about La Salle again? Why wasn’t this an issue when La Salle’s security troubles peaked last year? No one cried these same complaints then. Or what about when they write tough pieces about Penn’s mental health issues - do they get a free pass because of old money? Nope.
This is such a stretch, get over it. News stories happen, and they sensationalize it. That’s how it’s always worked, they don’t care what school is religiously affiliated. They’re trying to sell papers, get clicks.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 19, 2019 23:35:39 GMT -5
In defense of the Inquirer the 1990 Catholic bishops can go f themselves. Wow. In past few months you've ripped on a respected alum on here because of where she works and you disagreed with that the politics of her employer, and then doubled down on you personal attacks on her when called to task for it by people who are friends with her. Then you rip our leading scorer hours after his career-high game. Now you launch vitriol at the Catholic bishops. Regardless of your religious views, directing a wish for sexual deviance against an entire group seems a bit over the top. That's fine of you disagree with the Church and the Catholic bishops...that's your right. But really? "Go f themselves"....that's blatant discrimination against a group you don't like. If this was rabbis or the black clergy and you had issues with them, would you say that same thing? I'm thinking no, so why is it acceptable to say it about Catholic Bishops? You seem have some kind of grudge or bitterness lately against a lot of individuals and groups that seems odd and misplaced.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Dec 19, 2019 23:49:37 GMT -5
I started the thread, and I nominate this thread to be locked. It is going in some bad directions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 9:25:09 GMT -5
In defense of the Inquirer the 1990 Catholic bishops can go f themselves. Wow. In past few months you've ripped on a respected alum on here because of where she works and you disagreed with that the politics of her employer, and then doubled down on you personal attacks on her when called to task for it by people who are friends with her. Then you rip our leading scorer hours after his career-high game. Now you launch vitriol at the Catholic bishops. Regardless of your religious views, directing a wish for sexual deviance against an entire group seems a bit over the top. That's fine of you disagree with the Church and the Catholic bishops...that's your right. But really? "Go f themselves"....that's blatant discrimination against a group you don't like. If this was rabbis or the black clergy and you had issues with them, would you say that same thing? I'm thinking no, so why is it acceptable to say it about Catholic Bishops? You seem have some kind of grudge or bitterness lately against a lot of individuals and groups that seems odd and misplaced. Can you say that louder for the people in the back? or for Joe who is probably too high up on his horse to hear you.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 20, 2019 10:39:19 GMT -5
I started the thread, and I nominate this thread to be locked. It is going in some bad directions. Mr Gorbachev, lock down this thread!
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Post by big5explorer on Dec 28, 2019 10:40:12 GMT -5
"For most of the fall, whenever Kayla Miller-People heard the familiar sounds of a La Salle women’s soccer game beginning on the field not far from her dorm, she turned up her music and closed her eyes.
“I just try to go to sleep,” she said through tears in an interview this fall. “Put my headphones in, act like everything’s OK.”
She didn’t want to hear parents cheering and whistles blowing and her former teammates scoring goals and running around the field. All she wanted to do was forget."I'm trying to picture what dorms you can hear the cheering of the soccer games from and am drawing a blank. Interesting lead to the story, something that can't really be verified. The article starting off this way says everything about the article. It obviously wasn't written to report facts. It's being written with an agenda. Funny how newspaper writers can have such difficulty these days reporting things like facts, news, and both sides of a story. As an aside, I also had the same Encyclopedia Brown Questions: Can you *really* hear cheers from the soccer field from any of the dorms? Especially in the mid- and late-fall, when the dorm room windows are likely closed with cooler weather.
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Post by hykos1045 on Dec 29, 2019 19:01:29 GMT -5
"For most of the fall, whenever Kayla Miller-People heard the familiar sounds of a La Salle women’s soccer game beginning on the field not far from her dorm, she turned up her music and closed her eyes.
“I just try to go to sleep,” she said through tears in an interview this fall. “Put my headphones in, act like everything’s OK.”
She didn’t want to hear parents cheering and whistles blowing and her former teammates scoring goals and running around the field. All she wanted to do was forget."I'm trying to picture what dorms you can hear the cheering of the soccer games from and am drawing a blank. Interesting lead to the story, something that can't really be verified. The article starting off this way says everything about the article. It obviously wasn't written to report facts. It's being written with an agenda. Funny how newspaper writers can have such difficulty these days reporting things like facts, news, and both sides of a story. As an aside, I also had the same Encyclopedia Brown Questions: Can you *really* hear cheers from the soccer field from any of the dorms? Especially in the mid- and late-fall, when the dorm room windows are likely closed with cooler weather. It was 90 degrees in October, detective, and the season runs from the middle of August to the end of October. Since I park at Basil's Court on game days I can imagine that part of the story is at least possible even if there is some embellishment on part of the Inquirer. My problem with the credibility of the story stems from the parent sending emails to The Inquirer and CBS News and other outlets. A normal response is to appeal to the AD and president of the school, yes. But it is not normally expected behavior to leak emails to the press to create a story where there is not one.
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