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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 17, 2019 14:32:18 GMT -5
Bob McKillop who went 4-24 and then 10-19 in his first two years at Davidson. Took him 5 years to get to the NIT and 9 to get to NCAA Tournament (it also took G 9 years to get there). He didn't start regularly going to the post-season until year 16. Is that the bar we are setting for success for Ash? We didn't give G 16 years.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 17, 2019 14:49:21 GMT -5
No but he was mentioned. First year coaches get an infinite leash for me.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 17, 2019 19:44:59 GMT -5
Something resembling a cogent offense, for starters At least the team generally played hard and the defense, which was utterly disastrous to start the season, improved over time. A lot of folks have said he's installing a "system", and had to work through it even if not ideal for the current roster. I saw no "system" offensively, though. It looked like something that could be installed in a timeout, tbh. Furthermore, I think the most important thing a coach can do is be pragmatic and be able to make adjustments. You coach the team you have in front of you that night. This ability was not in evidence to me this season. Ash's purported strength is as a recruiter, and if he can recruit well enough, other things won't tend to matter as much, I suppose. But we haven't hit any HRs on that front yet, either. I hope he brings back the glory days, but I've yet to see anything that indicates to me that this thing is getting turned around. Nothing I love more than dispassionate, objective analysis.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 17, 2019 20:14:13 GMT -5
Something resembling a cogent offense, for starters At least the team generally played hard and the defense, which was utterly disastrous to start the season, improved over time. A lot of folks have said he's installing a "system", and had to work through it even if not ideal for the current roster. I saw no "system" offensively, though. It looked like something that could be installed in a timeout, tbh. Furthermore, I think the most important thing a coach can do is be pragmatic and be able to make adjustments. You coach the team you have in front of you that night. This ability was not in evidence to me this season. Ash's purported strength is as a recruiter, and if he can recruit well enough, other things won't tend to matter as much, I suppose. But we haven't hit any HRs on that front yet, either. I hope he brings back the glory days, but I've yet to see anything that indicates to me that this thing is getting turned around. Nothing I love more than dispassionate, objective analysis. broderick is a good poster, and he makes a valid point or two, but my take is he's still pissed that legler didn't get the job, so maybe this opinion isn't as objective as you think it is. there was no need for him to take a shot at the 2019 recruiting class either. very solid class, imo.
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Post by walkon on Mar 18, 2019 4:28:12 GMT -5
From a coaching perspective the hiring of Ash was an excellent move. However, without a solid plan for a facility, we are hampering his progress. Plain and simple.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 18, 2019 6:09:18 GMT -5
Welp, good thing the plan is solid.
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 18, 2019 8:05:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but saying the team can't shoot doesn't jibe at all with being a 77.0% FT shooting team. Teams that can't shoot don't shoot a GREAT FT% like that. The issue is that this offense generated bad shots taken by the wrong players.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 18, 2019 9:28:10 GMT -5
Ash simply needs to find better players. I watch the A-10 tournament and the teams remaining hit shots and defend. We need tougher and more physical players. Bob McKillop or any other coach in the conference could not win with our roster. Bob McKillop didn't beat us with his roster. Shooting percentages in the A10 tournament in the final 3 games were awful for all the teams playing. St. Louis shot 18% from 3, 37% overall, and 47% from the foul line in the championship game. "The teams remaining hit shots" doesn't hold water.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 18, 2019 10:48:24 GMT -5
Ash simply needs to find better players. I watch the A-10 tournament and the teams remaining hit shots and defend. We need tougher and more physical players. Bob McKillop or any other coach in the conference could not win with our roster. Bob McKillop didn't beat us with his roster. Shooting percentages in the A10 tournament in the final 3 games were awful for all the teams playing. St. Louis shot 18% from 3, 37% overall, and 47% from the foul line in the championship game. "The teams remaining hit shots" doesn't hold water. Sure it does. I also said defend. All of the teams defended and this affects shooting and offense. However, Courtney Stockard hits a big three which if he doesn't make the stupid decision to foul he is still in the game to hit a shot which could have beat St. Louis. Without him St. Louis easily only had to defend Lofton. You have to make shots in key moments. Something La Salle struggles to do and have struggled for many years to do. My post was not just about making shots. You took it out of context.
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Post by 23won on Mar 18, 2019 14:18:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but saying the team can't shoot doesn't jibe at all with being a 77.0% FT shooting team. Teams that can't shoot don't shoot a GREAT FT% like that. The issue is that this offense generated bad shots taken by the wrong players. I think some of your earlier post was a bit overblown, but I see where you are going.
I had posted often early in the season that the "system" in place for 2019 wasn't right for us since we didn't have the right crew to execute and win in that system. I think Clark and Phiri (and maybe Stone who I have not seen) will benefit from this, but I think we could have finished better if better drives, motion, picks and off-ball play had been emphasized along with the quick ball movement around the perimeter. That ball movement works, but it works best when you drive effectively and regroup if the shot is not there and there was not a lot to our offense besides the perimeter passing and Pookie creating his own shot off the dribble.
If the "system" had been enhanced, I believe Beatty (and to a lesser extent Carter) could have contributed more offensively. OTOH, Ash had limited offensive weapons and went with Pookie when healthy. Some games where Pookie didn't play, our offense looked like it had more going than perimeter passing, but that sample size didn't carry the day.
In the end, we showed that there is cause for hope with Ash, but he ultimately has to ramp up the talent level or find players (off the top 150 radar) and execute on a system like what Schmidt is doing at Bonaventure.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 18, 2019 17:50:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but saying the team can't shoot doesn't jibe at all with being a 77.0% FT shooting team. Teams that can't shoot don't shoot a GREAT FT% like that. The issue is that this offense generated bad shots taken by the wrong players. Or the offense should've been driving the basketball, getting to the foul line.... Where that 77% average would shine.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 19, 2019 6:19:02 GMT -5
Jay Wright went 10-18 then 9-18 in his first 2 years at Hofstra. (Then 12-15 the next year.) When he started to get his recruits it got turned around. What we grade we give Coach Howard is not important. It is how he grades himself. I am not going anywhere. Howard is stuck with me. My grade for myself as a fan is a C.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 19, 2019 6:34:31 GMT -5
Agree except I’d say B- fan.
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Post by Fastchuck on Mar 19, 2019 12:00:51 GMT -5
I am not going anywhere. Howard is stuck with me. My grade for myself as a fan is a C. Must have been graded on a curve.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 12, 2022 15:43:23 GMT -5
Bumping this thread to compare this season with his first. I gave him a D+ in his first season. I think it is still the same. Losses to horrible OOC teams, getting swept by Fordham and UMass, and a blowout in the tourney. Only thing keeping him from an F is the sweep of the Hawks.
Bottom line...he hasn't improved as a coach. Still a D+
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