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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jun 13, 2019 8:16:12 GMT -5
6 schools to be notified of serious NCAA violations"A high-ranking NCAA official told CBS Sports on Wednesday that at least six Division I men's basketball programs will receive notices of allegations for Level I violations, the most serious infractions under NCAA rules, as a result of the federal government's investigation into corruption in the sport.
Officials at Arizona, Kansas, Louisville, NC State and USC have previously acknowledged that their men's basketball programs are under NCAA investigation."www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26960321/6-schools-notified-serious-ncaa-violations
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Post by weston2 on Jun 13, 2019 8:27:58 GMT -5
Sure. And look at the fraud at UNC, seeing will be believing. College is a cesspool, but bucks on all levels rule any justice. The Emperor's clothes rule.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 13, 2019 8:46:24 GMT -5
Maybe Baylor will finally get that lifetime achievement award.
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Post by hoopsguest on Jun 13, 2019 10:01:11 GMT -5
Sure. And look at the fraud at UNC, seeing will be believing. College is a cesspool, but bucks on all levels rule any justice. The Emperor's clothes rule. UNC was a university wide academic accreditation issue and not an NCAA issue. It is confounding how people still spout off UNC when NCAA issues come up despite this info being well known
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Post by golasalle on Jun 13, 2019 10:36:12 GMT -5
Sure. And look at the fraud at UNC, seeing will be believing. College is a cesspool, but bucks on all levels rule any justice. The Emperor's clothes rule. UNC was a university wide academic accreditation issue and not an NCAA issue. It is confounding how people still spout off UNC when NCAA issues come up despite this info being well known IIRC, while it was an academic integrity issue, it was mostly athletes who were benefiting from the academic fraud. Wouldn't athletes getting "special" treatment by the academic institution in order to keep them in school be an NCAA issue?
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Post by calsufan on Jun 13, 2019 11:15:18 GMT -5
UNC was a university wide academic accreditation issue and not an NCAA issue. It is confounding how people still spout off UNC when NCAA issues come up despite this info being well known IIRC, while it was an academic integrity issue, it was mostly athletes who were benefiting from the academic fraud. Wouldn't athletes getting "special" treatment by the academic institution in order to keep them in school be an NCAA issue? What was the root cause of it happening? To help the athletes skate by.
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Post by weston2 on Jun 13, 2019 11:51:33 GMT -5
Sure. And look at the fraud at UNC, seeing will be believing. College is a cesspool, but bucks on all levels rule any justice. The Emperor's clothes rule. UNC was a university wide academic accreditation issue and not an NCAA issue. It is confounding how people still spout off UNC when NCAA issues come up despite this info being well known Just another bunch of garbage to avoid addressing what is going on, classic NCAA. They evade any responsibility by falling behind a bunch of crap logic. They "know" what's going on but don't want to deal with it while upsetting the gravy train / golden egg. $$$$$ rules the colleges. Mostly yours.
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Post by hoopsguest on Jun 13, 2019 14:47:36 GMT -5
UNC was a university wide academic accreditation issue and not an NCAA issue. It is confounding how people still spout off UNC when NCAA issues come up despite this info being well known Just another bunch of garbage to avoid addressing what is going on, classic NCAA. They evade any responsibility by falling behind a bunch of crap logic. They "know" what's going on but don't want to deal with it while upsetting the gravy train / golden egg. $$$$$ rules the colleges. Mostly yours. All kids even non athletes took these classes. They were offered them the same as the athletes. That is not crap logic. But if you want to continue to be intellectually lazy on this subject because you fell for what everyone else believes and you don't want to admit you are wrong go right ahead.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 13, 2019 14:57:12 GMT -5
So these weren't the standard "revenue-sport athlete only" classes many universities have?
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Post by weston2 on Jun 13, 2019 15:08:48 GMT -5
Just another bunch of garbage to avoid addressing what is going on, classic NCAA. They evade any responsibility by falling behind a bunch of crap logic. They "know" what's going on but don't want to deal with it while upsetting the gravy train / golden egg. $$$$$ rules the colleges. Mostly yours. All kids even non athletes took these classes. They were offered them the same as the athletes. That is not crap logic. But if you want to continue to be intellectually lazy on this subject because you fell for what everyone else believes and you don't want to admit you are wrong go right ahead. Turn that question around....who was intellectually lazy? They didn't even have to show up....let alone produce something....a "time in" sheet? or in today's world.....watch a video...And colleges actually teach Ethics courses.
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Post by hoopsguest on Jun 13, 2019 20:57:24 GMT -5
All kids even non athletes took these classes. They were offered them the same as the athletes. That is not crap logic. But if you want to continue to be intellectually lazy on this subject because you fell for what everyone else believes and you don't want to admit you are wrong go right ahead. Turn that question around....who was intellectually lazy? They didn't even have to show up....let alone produce something....a "time in" sheet? or in today's world.....watch a video...And colleges actually teach Ethics courses. None of the students had to that is why it is not an NCAA issue but an accreditation one. What is so difficult to understand about that?
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Post by hoopsguest on Jun 13, 2019 20:57:46 GMT -5
So these weren't the standard "revenue-sport athlete only" classes many universities have? Nope.
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Post by weston2 on Jun 14, 2019 12:36:32 GMT -5
So these weren't the standard "revenue-sport athlete only" classes many universities have? Nope. Duh, they were "fake" classes.
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Post by calsufan on Jun 14, 2019 13:35:42 GMT -5
Turn that question around....who was intellectually lazy? They didn't even have to show up....let alone produce something....a "time in" sheet? or in today's world.....watch a video...And colleges actually teach Ethics courses. None of the students had to that is why it is not an NCAA issue but an accreditation one. What is so difficult to understand about that? I'll ask you again. What was the reason for the creation of these classes? Take off your rose colored glasses, everyone knows it was to help the athletes. Non athletes were able to take the class because to not offer it to the general population would have immediately identified it as a fraud. Think critically.
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Post by weston2 on Jun 14, 2019 14:31:31 GMT -5
None of the students had to that is why it is not an NCAA issue but an accreditation one. What is so difficult to understand about that? I'll ask you again. What was the reason for the creation of these classes? Take off your rose colored glasses, everyone knows it was to help the athletes. Non athletes were able to take the class because to not offer it to the general population would have immediately identified it as a fraud. Think critically. In today's upside down world, the NCAA logic rests on as long as the "fake" courses were offered to the rest of the student body, we don't get involved, it's their curriculum. Find that incredibly strange (but approve HS transcripts?). It's an accreditation issue?...……….the accreditors ruled the courses as non-college level (middle school?)....but as usual the NCAA doesn't care...……..only to collect $$$ and put out an advertising / feel good campaign. They couldn't find a prostitute in a house of ill repute.
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Post by hoopsguest on Jun 14, 2019 22:32:13 GMT -5
The school offers it because kids are willing to take it. Period. I am not a fan of UNC so nothing rose colored about my glasses. Again, not hard to understand, once you GET to college, accreditation is a university and not NCAA issue. The NCAA gets involved in HS because people can exploit that to get athletes eligible. There was a HS in Philly 15 yrs ago that existed with 15 players, that's all. Philly Lutheran?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 14, 2019 23:59:12 GMT -5
The school offers it because kids are willing to take it. Period. I am not a fan of UNC so nothing rose colored about my glasses. Again, not hard to understand, once you GET to college, accreditation is a university and not NCAA issue. The NCAA gets involved in HS because people can exploit that to get athletes eligible. There was a HS in Philly 15 yrs ago that existed with 15 players, that's all. Philly Lutheran? Yes, they would sometimes practice at Gola.
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Post by weston2 on Jun 15, 2019 9:35:23 GMT -5
The school offers it because kids are willing to take it. Period. I am not a fan of UNC so nothing rose colored about my glasses. Again, not hard to understand, once you GET to college, accreditation is a university and not NCAA issue. The NCAA gets involved in HS because people can exploit that to get athletes eligible. There was a HS in Philly 15 yrs ago that existed with 15 players, that's all. Philly Lutheran? Did you really read what you wrote? Sounds a bit oxymoronic. Love that eligibility ethics.
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Post by calsufan on Jun 15, 2019 10:36:58 GMT -5
The school offers it because kids are willing to take it. Period. I am not a fan of UNC so nothing rose colored about my glasses. Again, not hard to understand, once you GET to college, accreditation is a university and not NCAA issue. The NCAA gets involved in HS because people can exploit that to get athletes eligible. There was a HS in Philly 15 yrs ago that existed with 15 players, that's all. Philly Lutheran? Who knew that Jim Harrick (the Georgia years) frequented our board?
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Post by weston2 on Jun 15, 2019 12:34:16 GMT -5
The school offers it because kids are willing to take it. Period. I am not a fan of UNC so nothing rose colored about my glasses. Again, not hard to understand, once you GET to college, accreditation is a university and not NCAA issue. The NCAA gets involved in HS because people can exploit that to get athletes eligible. There was a HS in Philly 15 yrs ago that existed with 15 players, that's all. Philly Lutheran? Who knew that Jim Harrick (the Georgia years) frequented our board? Who could forget that infamous "course" taught by his son, as I recall. At least Georgia stepped up and did the right thing when discovered.....can't say the same for the Tar Heel$. Do you think the son double dipped?...as Professor? Eligibility, no problem. Guess it falls under that curriculum for "Leisure Studies". I think that one was at Ohio State? www.nytimes.com/2003/03/11/sports/college-basketball-georgia-suspends-harrick-and-withdraws-from-postseason.html
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Post by big5explorer on Jun 16, 2019 10:40:30 GMT -5
Maybe Baylor will finally get that lifetime achievement award. Just listened to the Dr Death podcast (which involved a Baylor medical institution covering up some awful things) and was left wondering how anyone associated with Baylor in any way can be proud. The list of unethical decisions made at that University is pages long.
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Post by gymrat67 on Jul 25, 2019 12:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Jul 25, 2019 12:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by 23won on Jul 25, 2019 15:52:38 GMT -5
Maybe Baylor will finally get that lifetime achievement award. Just listened to the Dr Death podcast (which involved a Baylor medical institution covering up some awful things) and was left wondering how anyone associated with Baylor in any way can be proud. The list of unethical decisions made at that University is pages long. What, the world's largest Baptist University has a multi-faceted dark side? They seem so strict in their beliefs.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jul 25, 2019 17:17:28 GMT -5
Just listened to the Dr Death podcast (which involved a Baylor medical institution covering up some awful things) and was left wondering how anyone associated with Baylor in any way can be proud. The list of unethical decisions made at that University is pages long. What, the world's largest Baptist University has a multi-faceted dark side? They seem so strict in their beliefs. My sophomore year, we played them in Japan at a tournament sponsored by the Daiwa corporation I think. The band and cheerleaders got to go as part of this company bringing the American basketball experience to Japan. If I'm remembering correctly, it was us, Univ of Washington, Baylor, and the Japanese All-Stars. We won the tournament handily. Anyway...I remember we were hanging out with the band members from Baylor, and a few of them were telling us how strict the campus was and how they weren't allowed to do anything there related to drinking or having boys in their rooms. In retrospect though, I thinking that was a crock and they were just telling us that to avoid drinking and hanging in our rooms.
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Post by gymrat67 on Jul 26, 2019 10:41:23 GMT -5
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Post by weston2 on Jul 26, 2019 13:13:41 GMT -5
Everybody gets a deal, at that level. Monopoly get out of jail card.
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 12, 2019 12:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by weston2 on Oct 12, 2019 23:12:35 GMT -5
How could you ever enforce something like this....even a student?
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 1, 2020 13:21:41 GMT -5
I recommend this fascinating documentary film that premiered last night for you to watch while social distancing at home :
" The Scheme " -- 2020 HBO Documentary ( initial release : 3/31/2020 ) -- 2 hours long
Examines player agent Christian Dawkins role at the center of the FBI's two year undercover investigation that exposed a plot to bribe NCAA Div.I assistant college basketball coaches to steer players to a management company run by the 26-year old Dawkins. Four assistant coaches were arrested , involving universities that included USC, Arizona, Auburn and Oklahoma State. None of the head coaches who were seemingly implicated by the FBI's undercover / wire-tapped telephone recordings and surveillance tapes were ever arrested or charged. The lingering question remains : why not ?
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