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Post by crayzeeguy on Feb 23, 2018 22:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Feb 23, 2018 22:59:58 GMT -5
There's the big money we were looking for... Keep em' coming.
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 23, 2018 23:07:24 GMT -5
That's the kind of thing that is a program killer for a period of time. These $600 payments are gonna be non-stories if they are sitting on stuff like that
Sean gonna be looking for a new job soon
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 23, 2018 23:08:31 GMT -5
Arizona will have no choice but to immediately suspend Miller and Ayton based on the wiretap evidence. I'm guessing the other schools may do the same with their active players, but likely may stall wanting more evidence than just a memo. Perfect timing with the tournament looming.
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 23, 2018 23:11:50 GMT -5
So what's the plan here for these teams/NCAA with the tournament so close? Are players gonna be suspended or are teams gonna gamble and use them only to have them vacated in the summer?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 23, 2018 23:18:56 GMT -5
So what's the plan here for these teams/NCAA with the tournament so close? Are players gonna be suspended or are teams gonna gamble and use them only to have them vacated in the summer? Compliance officers at those schools with current players named will immediately be working overtime to determine if there was a received benefit. If they confirm it, they'll probably suspend those players until investigations are completed. An alternative is for the NCAA to immediately declare the confirmed players ineligible until things are paid back, but I'm guessing they won't because they're probably not even sure how to handle this at this point, and it's likely the tip of the iceberg. I'm guessing Sean Miller isn't the only coach on wiretap.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 23, 2018 23:28:19 GMT -5
Courtesy of Arizona and Deadspin.
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Post by coqui900 on Feb 23, 2018 23:28:38 GMT -5
LOL
There are 3,000 hours of recorded phone calls. That's 125 days worth.
This is going to be great.
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Post by coqui900 on Feb 23, 2018 23:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 23, 2018 23:44:48 GMT -5
Time to bet the longshots in NCAA future bets and hope the contenders get taken down by this
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Post by durenduren on Feb 23, 2018 23:45:08 GMT -5
I really hope we're just warming up.
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 23, 2018 23:45:34 GMT -5
Anyone else read this and are happy for first time we recruit kids that we’re just happy when they are listed on scouting websites?
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Post by blueandgold on Feb 24, 2018 5:38:18 GMT -5
Anyone else read this and are happy for first time we recruit kids that we’re just happy when they are listed on scouting websites? Not sure about that, but all this is definitely helping me forget about our current disappointing season. I’m hoping Chaz Williams’ bad loan is the extent of the A10 damage, but UMass is the not the A10 school I would have guessed to be caught up in this mess.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 24, 2018 7:08:48 GMT -5
Anyone else read this and are happy for first time we recruit kids that we’re just happy when they are listed on scouting websites? Not sure about that, but all this is definitely helping me forget about our current disappointing season. I’m hoping Chaz Williams’ bad loan is the extent of the A10 damage, but UMass is the not the A10 school I would have guessed to be caught up in this mess. I'm thinking A10 Xavier may have a thing or two to worry about. With all these high level programs that are going to face the fire, La Salle may actually be able to get a high level coach. ***I don't care about Lavoy taking $600. I actually don't care about Chazz Williams taking $2700. My problem is when Coaches are paying players. This is late 80's/ early 90's stuff. Rasheed Wallace's mom getting a job with the state of NC. This is Ricky Rowe, Neon Bordeaux stuff.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 24, 2018 7:40:49 GMT -5
Neon never asked for that car. Ricky and Butch did though.
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Post by a10 on Feb 24, 2018 9:14:10 GMT -5
So, in other words, La Salle is looking pretty good to Sean Miller right about now. (LOL!)
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Post by hoopsguest on Feb 24, 2018 9:25:32 GMT -5
A couple things to clear up - 1) Chazz Williams got his loan AFTER he was out of college and represented by that agency. Not everyone on that list the Yahoo (the site I went to, commence 2003 jokes) showed was in college. Some were pros at the time (Kyle Lowry?) and needed cash so the agency loaned it to them. You have to look at the dates on the document and where that guy was in his career at that point (college, NBA, overseas) 2) The UNC thing - people that still complain about this have NO understanding of that situation. Those classes and their non existent standards were offered and applied to ALL students. Sure, athletes might have been steered to them, but programs steer kids towards classes all the time (see all the Duke guys who are sociology majors). It's an accreditation issue. Therefore it's not an extra benefit. Therefore it's not an NCAA matter. McCants claimed work was done for him - that is an NCAA matter, but most of their work was on the fake classes as a whole. If it's offered to all students, not an issue. A parallel would be how at the Naval Academy they have no interest loans, and other various benefits. It's offered to all students (obviously they are sacrificing 5 yrs after graduation to service among other things) therefore athletes can take it. 3) Penn State - that's a criminal matter, not an extra benefit matter. No one is going to Penn State because an assistant coach got away with vile, criminal acts. 4) Sean Miller is probably toast. Some of these are so small (under $200, a meal for the parent) that restitution will be made and eligibility restored.
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Post by las71 on Feb 24, 2018 9:49:20 GMT -5
There's the big money we were looking for... Keep em' coming. This is the issue, money paid directly to the players by schools or representatives of the schools should be the issue. Pardon me for not being offended by agents buying a kid and his mother lunch or giving the kid a small"loan." Why shouldn't agents be able to wine and dine potential customers. Lobbyists and sales people do it everyday. The NCAA and it's members work overtime making sure athletes can't get extra meal money and even regulate their ability to work to make extra money. They claim that these rules are to protect the integrity of the game. Really!!!!! Does anyone truly believe that the NCAA compliance people don't know that paying players is widespread. The kids all know who's getting paid and what the going rates are. Did Arizona offer the kid $100,000.00 without having to do so to beat other cash offers? People talk about Coach K doing things the right way. Maybe he does but I find it hard to believe that kids like Okafor and Bagley chose Duke when other schools were offering 5 and 6 figures to sign. Mention paying kids a going rate and the NCAA goes into a frenzy. If the money comes from the shoe companies or the alums then the NCAA doesn't seem to get as upset. The kids, their parents, the agents and yes the kids "handlers" all know what's going on and see the utter hypocrisy of the NCAA. The NCAA either has to clean it up completely or acknowledge that they can't and allow schools to bid openly for players. To those who argue that this will hurt the smaller programs my reply is that the current system has already irreparably damaged the mid majors. The NCAA damaged mid major programs when they basically decided that the single most important factor in the revenue sports is the revenue.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 24, 2018 10:20:37 GMT -5
More dominoes will fall...
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 24, 2018 10:31:51 GMT -5
Hopefully this leads to mass changes in college basketball.
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Post by lasalle89 on Feb 24, 2018 10:35:39 GMT -5
LaSalle lost Lari Ketner to UMASS. He was 95% sure he was coming to LaSalle until Calipari got his mom a job at UMass and who knows what else. The handlers and agents and parents and players know the value of a top player. These handlers are the kids “agents” and are working the schools for the best deal for themselves and the player. It is a business within college basketball that the NCAA knows is going on. As long as the NCAA keeps making the money they look the other way.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 24, 2018 10:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Feb 24, 2018 10:55:07 GMT -5
Wow its almost like Arizona tacitly approved of him playing outside the rules because its far more profitable for the university.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 24, 2018 10:55:25 GMT -5
I guess that's not even tacit if you write it into a contract.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 24, 2018 11:28:12 GMT -5
So, in other words, La Salle is looking pretty good to Sean Miller right about now. (LOL!) I meant to tell you that with all these programs on probation, and probably disqualified from postseason play for a few years, we will be able to fish in deeper waters (Thad Matta) than usual for a coach. It's like buying a Pontiac in 2011, GM stopped making Pontiac in 2010, so you had built in depreciation if you purchased a Pontiac afterwards.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 24, 2018 11:51:39 GMT -5
It's not just one reporter, Glitter
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 24, 2018 12:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Feb 24, 2018 12:30:27 GMT -5
I can see why a coach would want to write in that for cause language, because I'm sure university attorneys could really stretch cause if incented to, but ... man. Looks bad here.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 24, 2018 13:44:40 GMT -5
I can see why a coach would want to write in that for cause language, because I'm sure university attorneys could really stretch cause if incented to, but ... man. Looks bad here. I thought Tom Brennan was bad at contracts, but this takes the cake.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 24, 2018 13:47:07 GMT -5
I can see why a coach would want to write in that for cause language, because I'm sure university attorneys could really stretch cause if incented to, but ... man. Looks bad here. I thought Tom Brennan was bad at contracts, but this takes the cake. In nine years he's made three elite eights and two sweet sixteens. I'm sure he insisted on this in a "wink wink...we'll win" type of way.
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