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Post by durenduren on Jul 19, 2017 14:01:44 GMT -5
Unless Overton admits to the incident, I really don't see the harm in everyone just saying "I have no idea" and leaving it at that. By definition, he did admit to facts associated with 3 counts of disorderly conduct by his guilty plea. Otherwise, he would have plead no-contest or not guilty. I mean, am I reading this wrong?
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Post by a10 on Jul 19, 2017 14:57:25 GMT -5
I wonder if his attorney felt there was no way to get dismissal and he didn't just plea down on the advice of counsel to put this behind him? That would be a shame if someone who was essentially innocent had to take a bullet like this - but it wouldn't be the first time something like that happened.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 19, 2017 15:26:49 GMT -5
Unless Overton admits to the incident, I really don't see the harm in everyone just saying "I have no idea" and leaving it at that. By definition, he did admit to facts associated with 3 counts of disorderly conduct by his guilty plea. Otherwise, he would have plead no-contest or not guilty. I mean, am I reading this wrong? I don't know if you're reading it wrong, but I think we both know people have taken guilty pleas on crimes they didn't commit for any of a myriad of reasons.
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Post by durenduren on Jul 19, 2017 15:48:08 GMT -5
Okay, reasonable point and I don't disagree with the concept. The plea doesn't have me thinking "I have no idea", but I guess there's always a chance. But I'm not about to explain away the guilty plea either, because that's disingenuous to whatever came out in court. I'm kinda just taking it at face value.
Bad situation, no winners here.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 19, 2017 16:09:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah. This is a bucket of suck from any angle.
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Post by glorydays on Jul 19, 2017 20:50:25 GMT -5
In the First State cases like this often end with a "public urination" plea agreement. I hope Doug is OK and that he keeps the Lincoln job.....
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Sept 4, 2020 13:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 4, 2020 14:35:38 GMT -5
Before anyone starts- it's news, and it's being covered on the Inquirer site. It's fair game to be discussed here. Obviously they're just allegations right now, and like victorious says, there could be some serious underlying issues at play. But I don't want to hear that we should delete the thread or not discuss this. People can comment on it if they wish, I'd just ask to keep the speculation to a minimum.
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Post by ogbj20 on Sept 4, 2020 16:16:09 GMT -5
There are real mental health issues going on with Doug that needs to be addressed. Along with myself and Train who found out about the incident have reached out to his family in support of him. He has been referred to the NBA crisis unit and Mental Health program by Train who has contacts there for assistance from them. Hopefully, Doug accepts the help on the long road ahead of him. A truly upsetting and sad day for all that know and care for Doug and to the people accosted by his actions, hopefully that they were not harmed in a way that they can’t recover. He has been through a lot of difficult situations and getting help before it is too late is our priority for him and hopefully he wants it too. We his brothers are feeling some kind of way.
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Post by ogbj20 on Sept 4, 2020 18:40:12 GMT -5
Thank you Lord, Doug has been admitted to non disclosed treatment facility through the NBA and hopefully he can get the help he needs. Continued prayers are needed for a successful outcome.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Sept 4, 2020 19:20:30 GMT -5
good luck and prayers up to doug.
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Post by 23won on Sept 4, 2020 20:19:02 GMT -5
Og, great post. Perfect in fact. Prayers to Doug
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Post by MisterD on Sept 5, 2020 20:45:45 GMT -5
Good post, hoping things work out for you friend.
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Post by 1801olney on Sept 7, 2020 9:41:34 GMT -5
I hope he gets the help he needs. Mental heath issues are very hard to address.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 7, 2020 21:24:14 GMT -5
But in all my years in law enforcement, people who are taking a leak on the side of a trail (regardless of how oblivious they are) don't accidentally get arrested. They do if somebody makes a big fuss. And knowing some of the lunatics / rich white people that live around those parts...wouldn't surprise me. It's a shame this happened again...and more disturbing that Joe chalked this up to "rich white people" at the time of the original incident. And when 1801 just made referenced to this in his post above...Joe edited it out.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 8, 2020 4:20:54 GMT -5
If you can’t see the differences in those two contexts then I can’t help you.
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Post by calsufan on Sept 8, 2020 6:03:54 GMT -5
I raised the issue GlitterBro, so if you have a problem with it you can blame me. I felt it was inappropriate and stand by that. And no, I won't debate you on it.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 8, 2020 6:08:09 GMT -5
I raised the issue GlitterBro, so if you have a problem with it you can blame me. I felt it was inappropriate and stand by that. And no, I won't debate you on it. You're right...an admin editing someone's post when they called out something that same admin originally said when the first incident happened is inappropriate.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 8, 2020 7:39:02 GMT -5
"This is atleast one poster's good friend, I shouldn't try to make it about me and my little message board grievances." Just say it a few times, see if it clicks.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 8, 2020 7:53:09 GMT -5
"This is atleast one poster's good friend, I shouldn't try to make it about me and my little message board grievances." Just say it a few times, see if it clicks. Exactly the point. By editing 1801's post which was essentially Calling out Joe using Joe's original language in the first incident, Joe made it about him. Reading this thread from the start is fascinating. it went from..he never could have done this because he was a nice guy in college...to....he needs to get some help. Which...is what some people argued back then, but they were mocked.
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 8, 2020 9:00:04 GMT -5
"This is atleast one poster's good friend, I shouldn't try to make it about me and my little message board grievances." Just say it a few times, see if it clicks. Exactly the point. By editing 1801's post which was essentially Calling out Joe using Joe's original language in the first incident, Joe made it about him. Reading this thread from the start is fascinating. it went from..he never could have done this because he was a nice guy in college...to....he needs to get some help. Which...is what some people argued back then, but they were mocked. My two cents on this- he didn't quote tweet it, so none of the moderators knew what the hell he was talking about. If I had known it was a reference to a post from years ago in the initial part of the thread, I would have said to leave it up. Other than that, if you want to yell at us for doing a shitty job, please either make a separate thread or send us a message. I don't want to turn an already depressing thread into another round of this.
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Post by explorerburger on Sept 8, 2020 11:08:03 GMT -5
There's a reason I stopped posting here.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Sept 8, 2020 19:45:07 GMT -5
Exactly the point. By editing 1801's post which was essentially Calling out Joe using Joe's original language in the first incident, Joe made it about him. Reading this thread from the start is fascinating. it went from..he never could have done this because he was a nice guy in college...to....he needs to get some help. Which...is what some people argued back then, but they were mocked. My two cents on this- he didn't quote tweet it, so none of the moderators knew what the hell he was talking about. If I had known it was a reference to a post from years ago in the initial part of the thread, I would have said to leave it up. One is now left to wonder why 1801's post was edited by Joe...for using the EXACT SAME LANGUAGE that Joe used in 2017..and yet...no administrator edited Joe then. Maybe his avatar has something to do with it. Seems inconsistent.
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