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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 4, 2013 13:39:54 GMT -5
Screamer,
I get your point --more bigs, yes even at the minimum 5 more fouls to give would be very helpful. (This short coming could be the difference between us and St Joes this year.)
But, what are your thoughts about what Jerrell and Zack bring relative to the bigs Mookie lists from the past.
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Post by mookie on Jan 4, 2013 13:53:07 GMT -5
Screamer, you're asking for a lot with regards to bigs. look at the top 25, for the most part yes, they all have bigs. BUT the difference is their bigs are putting up numbers in excess of 12 & 6. If they have 2 bigs putting up numbers like that, they're in national championship contention. they really only have 1 significant big and the rest are bit players...players who would potentially be starters on a program like ours, maybe. That's where the problem lies. these kids that could be starters on ours and play significant roles are going to choose a BCS or national contender over us for those exact reasons which leaves programs like ours to find other ways to compete (ie 4 guard lineups or dealing with a lack big man depth).
Look at Duke...only 2 bigs that really play. Miami has a couple. those are the schools that will get the bigs. temple has 4 guys over 6'9 and only 2 of them get playing time. Bigs with abilities are very limited. take a step further and look at the NBA. not every team has a legit big man and the pool is bigger to choose from...
Your belief that G only wants kids he thinks can be great is off-base. G focuses on getting the players that are A10 level players and can contribute to the program. Giving a student a scholarship because he is 6'10 is not helping anybody and is eating up a scholarship. It's very difficult to find legit big men in college...even more difficult when you're competing with programs that have far greater facilities
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Post by mookie on Jan 4, 2013 14:40:38 GMT -5
Screamer, I get your point --more bigs, yes even at the minimum 5 more fouls to give would be very helpful. (This short coming could be the difference between us and St Joes this year.) But, what are your thoughts about what Jerrell and Zack bring relative to the bigs Mookie lists from the past. More bigs means less depth at the guard position...keep in mind, college is all about guard play. LaSalle has another big they can use that could eat up more fouls in Hunt and Davis. But playing them means fewer minutes for one or even 2 of the guards. And guards is our strong point. So you're basically weakening our strongest asset and emphasizing our biggest weakness.
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Post by ltrain38 on Jan 4, 2013 14:48:51 GMT -5
Is the answer to fully commit to playing four guards? Never put Zack and Wright on the floor together, so that we play essentially one big with ten fouls?
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Post by mookie on Jan 4, 2013 15:59:37 GMT -5
Loaded question in my opinion ltrain. Zack has proven to be serviceable this year, especially with Wright battling foul troubles. I think it's not bad idea to start off with 2 bigs but then go with 1 big after maybe 8-10 minutes and then go with a 4 guard lineup that pushes the ball and plays balls to the walls D. Of course, I'm no coach so...
In all honesty though, I believe that despite the foul trouble in the Miami game, to me, the biggest issue was the team not having a real identity. Ok, when shots aren't falling and our bigs are in foul trouble the team didn't have any specific skill set to define them to keep Miami from going on a run. The team couldn't run offensive sets to get better shots or dump the ball down low to whatever big we had in at the time to score a bucket. If we can't do that, then at least play stingy D to force the opposition into problems as well.
In the past, Temple and SJU played incredible D which always kept them in games.
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Post by las71 on Jan 4, 2013 16:14:19 GMT -5
Victorious. I think Zack and Wright compare favorably with any center forward pairing we have had in 20 years. Both are big, strong and young. We just don't have a history of all league players at center and power forward so I think this is as good as it gets for us. As mookie has accurately stated there just aren't a large pool of bigs to recruit outside of those that commit to BCS programs.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 4, 2013 17:12:26 GMT -5
Is the answer to fully commit to playing four guards? Never put Zack and Wright on the floor together, so that we play essentially one big with ten fouls? I like this in theory, but it would have worked out so much better if one of the guards were a Kimmani type.
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Post by ltrain38 on Jan 4, 2013 18:33:19 GMT -5
I'm not saying that that's what we should do and I like both Zack and Wright. Just put that out there for the sake of argument. Against a team like Miami though, it might have helped to keep one of our bigs on the floor at all times.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Jan 4, 2013 18:44:32 GMT -5
Coach knows we neded bigs-see Murray, White and Lopez and recruitment of Corey White. Things just turned sour for different reasons, but I dont thiunk Coach disagrees with Screamer. Too, what is a big? No have to be 6'10- A 6'6 who can rebound serves a purpose. R. brown was recruited as a big guard-small forward and not as a big man.
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Post by coqui900 on Jan 4, 2013 20:15:43 GMT -5
This is the only college basketball message board in the world where a loss -- the third loss of the season and the first double digit point loss in two years -- to a very good ACC school turns into an indictment of the entire university as a whole.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 4, 2013 20:19:53 GMT -5
This is the only college basketball message board in the world where a loss -- the third loss of the season and the first double digit point loss in two years -- to a very good ACC school turns into an indictment of the entire university as a whole. Nominated.
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Post by cpico on Jan 4, 2013 22:11:14 GMT -5
This is the only college basketball message board in the world where a loss -- the third loss of the season and the first double digit point loss in two years -- to a very good ACC school turns into an indictment of the entire university as a whole. Again a Miami team playing without one of it's better players and who recently lost to Indiana St. We lost by 17 to that team because we collapsed in the last 10 minutes. We folded.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Jan 4, 2013 22:25:54 GMT -5
LSU is a great place; but we can still discuss on how to make it better. Too, we had enhanced expectations this year .
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Post by MisterD on Jan 5, 2013 10:58:58 GMT -5
I'm going to make the staircase analogy again. The majority here treats every win as one step up and every single little setback as falling back down to the bottom. Losing to Miami is nothing more than exactly what was supposed to happen and 9-3 is probably exactly where we're supposed to be, give or take a loss.
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Post by mookie on Jan 5, 2013 12:35:07 GMT -5
I'm going to make the staircase analogy again. The majority here treats every win as one step up and every single little setback as falling back down to the bottom. Losing to Miami is nothing more than exactly what was supposed to happen and 9-3 is probably exactly where we're supposed to be, give or take a loss. Completely agree. I had us losing this game since the schedule was released. When their best player went down, it gave us a better shot. In the end, LaSalle has a decent program and is in better shape than in it has been in the last 10 years. That being said, LaSalle will 90% of the time have a difficult time getting big men depth that are able to contribute straight out of high school. We're not a bottom tier program and we have the potential to be in post season play again this year. NIT is a minimum in my eyes for this team with NCAA still a possibility despite our losses.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jan 5, 2013 13:51:32 GMT -5
This is the only college basketball message board in the world where a loss -- the third loss of the season and the first double digit point loss in two years -- to a very good ACC school turns into an indictment of the entire university as a whole. That seems a little narrow minded. This message board had to deal with a loss to cent conn state. This board hasn't seen a NCAA tournament game since 1992. This board goes to games where you can't purchase tickets online. This board has to deal with watching a home game in a high school gym. This board wants to see a team with moderate expectations beat stronger competition and brag to their friends from other big 5 schools.
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