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Post by cpico on Jan 2, 2013 23:13:37 GMT -5
Anyone who says otherwise is not being honest. Team absolutely choked in the second half. They couldn't hit any open shots.
A really, really, really bad loss.
Also, I like Sam Mills - but if he starts against Penn over Garland, Coach Giannini has a lot of explaining to do.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 2, 2013 23:16:04 GMT -5
We lose to bad teams: it's embarrassing. We play good teams and lose to them, it's embarrassing. We go 13-0 in non-conference, it's embarrassing because we didn't play Kansas, Syracuse, Duke, and Indiana.
Look, I don't think we played great tonight. But there has to be some category of loss besides embarrassing.
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Post by cpico on Jan 2, 2013 23:20:22 GMT -5
We lose to bad teams: it's embarrassing. We play good teams and lose to them, it's embarrassing. We go 13-0 in non-conference, it's embarrassing because we didn't play Kansas, Syracuse, Duke, and Indiana. Look, I don't think we played great tonight. But there has to be some category of loss besides embarrassing. Again, this was an embarrassing loss period. The way the team played in that second half was a disgrace and yes embarrassing. They folded.
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Post by sawdoctors on Jan 2, 2013 23:20:29 GMT -5
My post was deleted, I totally agree. G can not win a big game to save his life. Sam Mills needs to be on the pine, J. Wright needs to improve in every aspect of the game, Tyreek need to show up against top notch teams and as you look at our schedule we have not beaten a quality team, lost to a crap tea and the two teams we played that were half decent we got smoked. Sad night, bad coach, zero postseason.
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Post by lasalle89 on Jan 2, 2013 23:25:10 GMT -5
We defended very hard in the first half. This was the most physical team we played this year. We had no legs in the second half. We couldn't hit any shots, even when they stopped guarding us in the end. G just has to play our bigs til they foul out. When he tries to protect them we lose our rhythm. Just keep them in there battling especially a strong team like Miami.
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Post by las71 on Jan 2, 2013 23:25:32 GMT -5
While I agree that G has some weaknesses as a coach, I don't put this one on him. This is a case where the best team won. I feel that we just aren't as talented as we hoped.
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Post by sawdoctors on Jan 2, 2013 23:31:15 GMT -5
At what point in the second half did G try and get Galloway going? When did he run a set for him? Why does G put Mills on the floor over Garland? Garland is twice the player Mills is. When has G won a big game, every year he fails. Who have we beaten this year? Team has the talent but the coach is the issue.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 2, 2013 23:41:35 GMT -5
we should never lose and when we lose its never because the other team won its because we lost and we suck and i dont understand why we ever lose because if we tried hard we should win every game because why not we can be as good as any other team and if we arent its because we quit and suck and dont try we should win every game seriously ... blah.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 2, 2013 23:42:56 GMT -5
Seriously, some of you guys suck. You really, really suck. You make losses so much worse for those of us who care but aren't ridiculous. That's my no sarcasm response. You suck. Not the team. You.
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Post by las71 on Jan 2, 2013 23:43:41 GMT -5
I am not defending G, I just believe that the more talented, bigger, stronger team won the game. In my opinion we are not at this level .
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Post by cpico on Jan 2, 2013 23:59:01 GMT -5
I am not defending G, I just believe that the more talented, bigger, stronger team won the game. In my opinion we are not at this level . We blew a 6 point halftime lead because we couldn't make open shots. We lost by 17 points. that's being outscored by 23 points in the second half. Again the team collapsed. The play in the second half was embarrassing.
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Post by cpico on Jan 3, 2013 0:00:42 GMT -5
We scored 23 points in the second half. How anyone can say what our team did in the second half wasn't embarrassing is beyond me.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 3, 2013 0:04:24 GMT -5
Ha, I just clicked the "diss" button on you. You got dissed.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Jan 3, 2013 1:38:18 GMT -5
Not sure if we have to debate whether the loss is embarrassing. Without doubt, its disheartening. College BB is so simple-hit your shots and rebound.I cannot blame G for our guys going cold. That happens. But, did they go cold bec. it was one of those nights or bec, there is just too much strain on the guards. JW has not made a natural progression in his soph year. And here comes the dead horse......Cant play with just 2 bigs!!! Coach has to take responsibility(did I just say that?) for the roster.Next year there is no Galloway, but the window is still open;after that who knows? Must bring in a big for next year who can play.Absolute must.
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Post by vasalos on Jan 3, 2013 6:41:48 GMT -5
It's still early and conference play will be huge. Our season is very much alive.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 3, 2013 8:06:58 GMT -5
We got beat by a better team. "Blowing" a 6 point halftime lead means almost nothing. We were back and forth the whole half and they kicked our asses in the 2nd half. It wasn't flukey- they were better, because they are better. It was competitive most of the way.
And stop with this "loser mentality" crap. You guys all consider yourselves realists, but then when someone points out that Miami is an ACC school, and we will almost certainly never be on the level of 90% of ACC schools, that's a loser mentality somehow.
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Post by mookie on Jan 3, 2013 8:49:54 GMT -5
1 - the loss was disheartening and only embarassing because the team held a double digit lead and ended up losing by double digits 2 - the team was simply beaten by a better team; the team relies on 3pt shooting and perimeter scoring vs running offensive plays to get easy shots 3 - it's obvious that when this isn't shooting close to 50% and above, they won't win; they don't play good enough defense 4 - Wright has been a disappointment (to me) this year; he hasn't shown any progession in my eyes and he's in foul trouble entirely too much 5 - the cries for a big who can come in as a freshman and be more than a defensive player are unrealistic; any big that comes to LaSalle will be someone with some type of baggage or pure luck...you don't rely on that 6 - Mills isn't a bad option to start with Garland coming off the bench as it keeps a steady flow of offense; that doesn't mean Mills still plays significant minutes (20+) but he can be there focus on keeping the other team's offensive player from getting in a rhytem to start the game...it's not about who starts, but who finishes 7 - the season is not over...
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Post by vasalos on Jan 3, 2013 9:07:10 GMT -5
Good news: we play UPENN this Saturday. We don't have a long lay off to think about this loss. Win our next four games and the Miami game is just a blip on the screen. Keep the perspective.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 3, 2013 9:18:16 GMT -5
My post was deleted, I totally agree. Your post was deleted because you wrote something about a specific player that I interpreted as an insult, rather than anything constructive.
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Post by big5vet on Jan 3, 2013 9:20:13 GMT -5
1. Didn't think I'd be writing this sentence this season but our guards were outplayed as a group. In the second half the offense scheme regressed to either jumpers or drives. Little real team play. 2. G has yet to beat a top 25 team. Can it ever happen? 3. It is confusing why we are not as good defensively as last season. Basically the same players and system. 4. Miami was a better team. Our best effort was needed for a W. We laid an egg. 5. Post season NIT is still well within our reach and as has been mentioned would still IMO be a nice accomplishment. 6. A W over VCU, Butler or St Louis would sure make me feel better instead of the fear that this falling short pattern over very top competition is a DNA problem of the program.
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Post by cpico on Jan 3, 2013 9:34:49 GMT -5
We got beat by a better team. "Blowing" a 6 point halftime lead means almost nothing. We were back and forth the whole half and they kicked our asses in the 2nd half. It wasn't flukey- they were better, because they are better. It was competitive most of the way. And stop with this "loser mentality" crap. You guys all consider yourselves realists, but then when someone points out that Miami is an ACC school, and we will almost certainly never be on the level of 90% of ACC schools, that's a loser mentality somehow. Again we scored a TOTAL of 23 points in the second half. Missed open shot after open shot and got out scored by 23 points in the second by a team we out scored by 6 in the first half. I'm sorry but that is a sign of a team that folded. We have a good team, I expected a good, tough game that we had a good shot at winning. Instead our guys totally unraveled and folded in the second half. That's the reality of what happened. This was a huge game for us, and once again we came up small. And Miami was playing without one of their best players. Give me a break with how great Miami is. They just lost to Indiana St. the other day.
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Post by cpico on Jan 3, 2013 9:47:22 GMT -5
And any criticism we get from our city rivals and league rivals is well deserved after that melt down. A lot will probably say "same old La Salle". And you know what they got a point - it was on display for all of us to see in the second half against a team we could have beaten.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 3, 2013 9:48:59 GMT -5
We got beat by a better team. "Blowing" a 6 point halftime lead means almost nothing. We were back and forth the whole half and they kicked our asses in the 2nd half. It wasn't flukey- they were better, because they are better. It was competitive most of the way. And stop with this "loser mentality" crap. You guys all consider yourselves realists, but then when someone points out that Miami is an ACC school, and we will almost certainly never be on the level of 90% of ACC schools, that's a loser mentality somehow. Again we scored a TOTAL of 23 points in the second half. Missed open shot after open shot and got out scored by 23 points in the second by a team we out scored by 6 in the first half. I'm sorry but that is a sign of a team that folded. We have a good team, I expected a good, tough game that we had a good shot at winning. Instead our guys totally unraveled and folded in the second half. That's the reality of what happened. This was a huge game for us, and once again we came up small. Seems to me the 2nd half D of Miami denied us the 3 but was not world beating. It gave us the higher percentage mid range jumpers that we missed repeatedly. Add to this guys failing to finish some shots close in, I was scratching my head watching this. This was a major momentum killer from where I sit. ...MISSED SHOTS.....then... when Tyreek missed those 2 fouls...eck. No doubt our guys can play a better half of basketball and this game could have been much tighter. I think we might have blown our cool. Back to the drawing board! Having said this, I think Miami has overall superior personnel.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Jan 3, 2013 10:24:44 GMT -5
Nobody is crying for an all world big man. It is inexcusaable to fail to have even ONE backup big. A backup is to go in, play 15, bang, rebound and give starters a break. Please dont tell that its normal or good not to have such a player. Many years ago, without a shot clock or 3 pointer, team without depth could shorten a game with clock management and a zone. Today, have to play man, and even young guys get tired; more foul trouble too. Sometimes a schol. has to be given to a player who is less than A-10 caliber but helps with a specific need. There are guys playing in the NEC, MAAC, and Patriot who might never start in A-10 but who could help.We have several guys on the team who r good players but will never be stars-why cant one b 6'9?
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Post by mookie on Jan 3, 2013 10:30:50 GMT -5
Nobody is crying for an all world big man. It is inexcusaable to fail to have even ONE backup big. A backup is to go in, play 15, bang, rebound and give starters a break. Please dont tell that its normal or good not to have such a player. Many years ago, without a shot clock or 3 pointer, team without depth could shorten a game with clock management and a zone. Today, have to play man, and even young guys get tired; more foul trouble too. Sometimes a schol. has to be given to a player who is less than A-10 caliber but helps with a specific need. There are guys playing in the NEC, MAAC, and Patriot who might never start in A-10 but who could help.We have several guys on the team who r good players but will never be stars-why cant one b 6'9? We have Hunt...he did a lot of good yesterday. In 18mins he has exactly 1 rebound...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 10:37:22 GMT -5
At what point in the second half did G try and get Galloway going? When did he run a set for him? Why does G put Mills on the floor over Garland? Garland is twice the player Mills is. When has G won a big game, every year he fails. Who have we beaten this year? Team has the talent but the coach is the issue. It was Mills homecoming game. He's not going to sit on the bench. He's getting open shots, they just didn't fall. I don't think it's fair to single out Mills after the team had plenty of other chances last night, all which have been already spelled out by Joe F's column on phila hoops. We also did not get to the line, based on our style of play, not a home cooking. Some of you guys are obsessed with the starting lineup as if that would fix the point distribution. Are we not already maximizing Garland's 26 minutes? I will admit, I do not know. But you think you're experts, only because you see box scores and watch a game on a radio! That is classic ExplorerSteve garbage 'coaching analysis.' But how do you know Garland is in the same shape and can play for 40 miuntes then way Mills and Duren do? how do you know increasing him from 26 min to 40 min would automatically result in the projected up to ten more points, and would it have taken something else away from our game? YOU CAN'T PUT SIX MEN ON THE FLOOR. Only the coaches who are seeing the practices know who can play and when. That's why they get paid the big bucks. I do know one thing, we had them down by 11 with this starting lineup, ok? You put in Garland and he gives you one high percentage option. But he can also be neutralized faster than our guards rotation.
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Post by mookie on Jan 3, 2013 10:48:36 GMT -5
I know that the shooting was atrocious and a 1/15 night from Duren and Mills is a huge reason why the team lost. Combine that with the foul trouble of our big men and the fact that Miami was in the bonus with almost 10mins left in the half and you've got a great recipe for a loss.
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Post by glorydays on Jan 3, 2013 11:14:35 GMT -5
Though against a much better opponent this game kind of reminded me of the Fordham game last year.
With the 11 point lead I let myself think that it a win was very possible.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 3, 2013 11:17:07 GMT -5
I know that the shooting was atrocious and a 1/15 night from Duren and Mills is a huge reason why the team lost. Combine that with the foul trouble of our big men and the fact that Miami was in the bonus with almost 10mins left in the half and you've got a great recipe for a loss. And that's pretty much it. When key players are shut down, either by good defense or a simple cold streak, non-elite teams will lose almost every time. That's pretty much how basketball goes.
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Post by spaceghost on Jan 3, 2013 12:58:28 GMT -5
We got beat by a better team. "Blowing" a 6 point halftime lead means almost nothing. We were back and forth the whole half and they kicked our asses in the 2nd half. It wasn't flukey- they were better, because they are better. It was competitive most of the way. And stop with this "loser mentality" crap. You guys all consider yourselves realists, but then when someone points out that Miami is an ACC school, and we will almost certainly never be on the level of 90% of ACC schools, that's a loser mentality somehow. Who cares what conference they're affiliated with? They're not Duke or UNC any more than we're Butler or VCU. Miami is a good opponent, but at best a marginal tournament team and not as strong as the top 2-3 A10 teams. If we'll almost certainly never be on that level, what's the point of having a program? I think it's entirely legitimate that people want to let off steam after such a disappointing performance against a good-but-not-great opponent.
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