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Post by SICguy84 on Sept 25, 2015 13:34:51 GMT -5
Media ALERT – President Hanycz on MSNBC Saturday
Dear La Salle Community –
President Colleen Hanycz will be on MSNBC with Chris Matthews live on Saturday, Sept. 26 at 12:20 p.m. This appearance will take place from the Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philadelphia, where Pope Francis will subsequently participate in the Festival of Families and celebrate mass.
Please tune in to see and hear our President describe the importance of Pope Francis’ first visit to the United States. -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by jellybean on Sept 25, 2015 18:05:59 GMT -5
Payback for giving Matthews an Honorary Degree last Winter?
I see that the Mayor event last Wednesday night on campus didn't have the Mayor of Rome,Italy and another Mayor from the Phillipines. Both were advertised. Looks like the Mayor of Baltimore was on the panel. That should have been an interesting lecture? Anyone have details?
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Post by SICguy84 on Sept 25, 2015 18:31:59 GMT -5
Looks like the Mayor of Baltimore was on the panel. That should have been an interesting lecture? Anyone have details? Yes, I wanted to hear from the mayor of the eternal city but, La Salle luck strikes again. Anyway, I watched the live feed. Pres Colleen asked a question about the events of recent in Baltimore. Nothing Earth shattering in her response. Most interesting panelist was the mayor of New Orleans. The forum got some coverage on cbs3 and 6abc.
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Post by SICguy84 on Sept 26, 2015 11:30:34 GMT -5
Did Matthews say what I think he said in the intro?
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Post by explorer88 on Sept 26, 2015 12:24:23 GMT -5
Did Matthews say what I think he said in the intro? The great La Salle University
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Post by jellybean on Sept 26, 2015 13:05:16 GMT -5
Did Matthews say what I think he said in the intro? I couldn't tell if he had a thrill going up and down his leg but he was super pro-Philly. The Prez did a great job when he didn't interrupt her every 5 seconds. She handles herself very well. He gave a shout out to Big Five Basketball and Prez said in another month or something to that effect.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 26, 2015 15:47:06 GMT -5
Did Matthews say what I think he said in the intro? I couldn't tell if he had a thrill going up and down his leg but he was super pro-Philly. The Prez did a great job when he didn't interrupt her every 5 seconds. She handles herself very well. He gave a shout out to Big Five Basketball and Prez said in another month or something to that effect. We do all know that he is local right? And went to La Salle College High School. And has honorary degrees not only from La Salle, but also 'Nova and Temple.
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Post by jetstorm on Sept 27, 2015 19:54:20 GMT -5
I couldn't tell if he had a thrill going up and down his leg but he was super pro-Philly. The Prez did a great job when he didn't interrupt her every 5 seconds. She handles herself very well. He gave a shout out to Big Five Basketball and Prez said in another month or something to that effect. We do all know that he is local right? And went to La Salle College High School. And has honorary degrees not only from La Salle, but also 'Nova and Temple. The College of The Holy Cross Board of Trustees had him disinvited as the commencement speaker, and stopped the college from giving him an honorary degree, due to his pro choice stance!!!
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 27, 2015 21:05:04 GMT -5
So 60% 55% of Americans can't speak at Holy Cross. Worcester sucks anyway.
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Post by jetstorm on Sept 27, 2015 21:39:39 GMT -5
So 60% of Americans can't speak at Holy Cross. Worcester sucks anyway. No, but The College of The Holy Cross will not honor those people. It's a Catholic school and you should not be surprised or bothered by what they did!
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 27, 2015 23:15:41 GMT -5
So 60% of Americans can't speak at Holy Cross. Worcester sucks anyway. No, but The College of The Holy Cross will not honor those people. It's a Catholic school and you should not be surprised or bothered by what they did! Really hesitant to wade into this territory, but you don't get to tell me what I can be bothered by. I'm not much on Chris Matthews (who I think is mostly a party hack) but rescinding someone's invitation to speak based on a position they hold (and that a large majority of Americans-and Catholics by the way- support), that they hadn't concealed prior to that invitation, is crap. "Not honor those people?" What people would those be exactly? You guys also realize La Salle gave him an honorary degree literally a year ago today correct? Edit: Can you give us a source on this? The only thing I turned up was a controversy about 12 years ago, since then he's spoken several times at Holy Cross. Will gladly correct if I'm wrong on the facts, but not conceding the point about it being low-grade horseshit to want to shun someone who disagrees with you.
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 27, 2015 23:19:22 GMT -5
This is what I found:
In 2003, an honorary degree and public platform was given to pro-choice Holy Cross alumnus Chris Matthews despite pro-life alumni objection. College President Fr. Michael McFarland defended the invitation and degree, despite clear direction from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishop policies and Catholic Church policies never to give a public platform to those at odds with central holdings of the Church, such as the teachings on abortion. Father McFarland, along with the majority of the current Holy Cross community continue to defend this, stating that while Chris Matthews is pro-choice, that is not his defining characteristic and he did not talk purely about abortion in his speech.
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Post by jetstorm on Sept 28, 2015 17:26:59 GMT -5
This is what I found: In 2003, an honorary degree and public platform was given to pro-choice Holy Cross alumnus Chris Matthews despite pro-life alumni objection. College President Fr. Michael McFarland defended the invitation and degree, despite clear direction from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishop policies and Catholic Church policies never to give a public platform to those at odds with central holdings of the Church, such as the teachings on abortion. Father McFarland, along with the majority of the current Holy Cross community continue to defend this, stating that while Chris Matthews is pro-choice, that is not his defining characteristic and he did not talk purely about abortion in his speech. Good research! The degree you found was awarded years after it was originally denied as many of the offended board members had retired.
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Post by jetstorm on Sept 28, 2015 17:35:31 GMT -5
No, but The College of The Holy Cross will not honor those people. It's a Catholic school and you should not be surprised or bothered by what they did! Really hesitant to wade into this territory, but you don't get to tell me what I can be bothered by. I'm not much on Chris Matthews (who I think is mostly a party hack) but rescinding someone's invitation to speak based on a position they hold (and that a large majority of Americans-and Catholics by the way- support), that they hadn't concealed prior to that invitation, is crap. "Not honor those people?" What people would those be exactly? You guys also realize La Salle gave him an honorary degree literally a year ago today correct? Edit: Can you give us a source on this? The only thing I turned up was a controversy about 12 years ago, since then he's spoken several times at Holy Cross. Will gladly correct if I'm wrong on the facts, but not conceding the point about it being low-grade horseshit to want to shun someone who disagrees with you. I would agree that this is not the place for this discussion. I never meant to tell you what should bother you, I was just pointing out that a Catholic college being at odds with a pro abortion speaker should not surprise anyone! The Holy Father spoke repeatedly about protecting the unborn while here. I may not agree with his position, but I would expect nothing less from the leader of the Catholic church! Now back to La Salle basketball a topic, hopefully we can agree on!!
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 28, 2015 17:39:06 GMT -5
Agreed. Thank you for your civil response. Back to complaining about facilities haha.
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Post by glorydays on Sept 28, 2015 19:51:08 GMT -5
The President is just warming up for her appearance on "Flip This University."
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Post by jellybean on Sept 30, 2015 9:07:07 GMT -5
So 60% of Americans can't speak at Holy Cross. This screams for factchecker.com as well as theneumann64's comment about the majority of Americans and Catholics favor abortion.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 30, 2015 9:32:23 GMT -5
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 30, 2015 20:28:28 GMT -5
OK, its at the point now where even with my extremely liberal view about what can stay on the main board, we're now debating polls about abortion. So I really can't justify leaving it here any more if the thread is going to continue. I'll leave it up the rest of tonight, but we need to either let the thread die or move it to the "Other Discussion" board (I'm perfectly fine doing either one).
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Post by jellybean on Oct 1, 2015 6:26:00 GMT -5
OK, its at the point now where even with my extremely liberal view about what can stay on the main board, we're now debating polls about abortion. So I really can't justify leaving it here any more if the thread is going to continue. I'll leave it up the rest of tonight, but we need to either let the thread die or move it to the "Other Discussion" board (I'm perfectly fine doing either one). My post was NOT about abortion but two posts that throw out completely off base stats. No way is this country in favor of abortion 60% to 40% and no way Catholics favor abortion by the same margin. I don't have time this morning to attach the link but take a look (google) at Gallup.com another reputable polling source. They have two articles. The current one has stats going back each of the last 10 years which shows the split basically 50-50. There is another article from 2013 which says that White Catholics are pro-life 64% and Hispanic Catholics are 74% pro-life. The numbers for Black and Asian Catholics were not mentioned but they would not change the stats to 60% pro-choice. My point is throwing out stats and taking them as gospel.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 1, 2015 8:06:07 GMT -5
Restraining myself so hard here.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 1, 2015 10:46:50 GMT -5
OK, its at the point now where even with my extremely liberal view about what can stay on the main board, we're now debating polls about abortion. So I really can't justify leaving it here any more if the thread is going to continue. I'll leave it up the rest of tonight, but we need to either let the thread die or move it to the "Other Discussion" board (I'm perfectly fine doing either one). My post was NOT about abortion but two posts that throw out completely off base stats. No way is this country in favor of abortion 60% to 40% and no way Catholics favor abortion by the same margin. I don't have time this morning to attach the link but take a look (google) at Gallup.com another reputable polling source. They have two articles. The current one has stats going back each of the last 10 years which shows the split basically 50-50. There is another article from 2013 which says that White Catholics are pro-life 64% and Hispanic Catholics are 74% pro-life. The numbers for Black and Asian Catholics were not mentioned but they would not change the stats to 60% pro-choice. My point is throwing out stats and taking them as gospel. My Pew poll says just as much, except for it being 55-45 for legal abortion. Had nothing to do with Catholics as a majority of people in this country are not Catholic.
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Post by calsufan on Oct 1, 2015 12:14:28 GMT -5
You guys do realize you're leaving yourselves wide open to Explorer Steve jumping in here and running with this, don't you?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 2, 2015 5:51:11 GMT -5
If CoachD wants to hop in, fine, but at least it is on the OT board.
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Post by jellybean on Oct 2, 2015 6:53:55 GMT -5
My post was NOT about abortion but two posts that throw out completely off base stats. No way is this country in favor of abortion 60% to 40% and no way Catholics favor abortion by the same margin. I don't have time this morning to attach the link but take a look (google) at Gallup.com another reputable polling source. They have two articles. The current one has stats going back each of the last 10 years which shows the split basically 50-50. There is another article from 2013 which says that White Catholics are pro-life 64% and Hispanic Catholics are 74% pro-life. The numbers for Black and Asian Catholics were not mentioned but they would not change the stats to 60% pro-choice. My point is throwing out stats and taking them as gospel. My Pew poll says just as much, except for it being 55-45 for legal abortion. Had nothing to do with Catholics as a majority of people in this country are not Catholic. I fail to see how the Gallup poll corroborated your opinion of 55-45 when the chart shows the last ten years that those in favor of abortion are between 47 and 51%. The 2015 poll was 50% pro-abortion which is a big difference between your original 60% and revised 55%. That's a swing of 30 million people in the USA. The last time it was anywhere near 55% was in 1996. If you read my post, I was addressing your 60-40 as well as neumann's 60-40 overall population and absurd stat that the same percentages apply to Catholics.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 2, 2015 13:10:23 GMT -5
Margin of error: Depends on whether I / my girlfriend / my daughter who has college plans / my son's girlfriend who I really don't like get(s) pregnant
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Oct 2, 2015 15:36:35 GMT -5
JB, I used Pew you use Gallup. Either way, a majority of Americans believe in a pro choice position
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Post by coachd on Oct 6, 2015 14:47:44 GMT -5
Natural Law trumps everything including man-made laws, beliefs and opinions.
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 6, 2015 17:56:35 GMT -5
And who gets to decide what natural law is?
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Post by coachd on Oct 7, 2015 10:12:16 GMT -5
Do good deeds and avoid evil deeds is definitely a part of it. Natural law also is what nature intended... from conception until natural death - no one has the right to end a human life. There are many books written about Natural Law so there is no simple answer to the question. A brief explanation from a Catholic perspective can be found here... www.newadvent.org/cathen/09076a.htm
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