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Post by calsufan on Jun 26, 2015 7:37:47 GMT -5
So what does everyone think about the Sixers draft last night? I am not a big Jahlil Okafor fan at all. I think his D is non-existent. He can't shoot free throws to save his life. He disappears during stretches of a game and I really question his work ethic. On the positive side, he is great around the basket offensively, but isn't that what they drafted Embiid for last year? Of course Embiid may not pan out with his foot injury and that's why Hinkie may have drafted Okafor. That or he simply drafted the best player available.
I really thought Russell would have been the best fit as they needed a play making guard that can shoot, but LA screwed that one up for us. After Hinkie lost Russell, I was hoping that he would have traded down and picked up an extra few first round draft choices for this year instead. No such luck. And then he drafts another center and power forward in the second round? Where are the guards and perimeter shooters that this team so desperately needs? I hope Hinkie swings a trade and deals Okafor for a good point guard that can shoot. Right now I give Hinkie a B at best for this draft, maybe even a B-.
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Post by coqui900 on Jun 26, 2015 23:36:08 GMT -5
BPA all the time. The Sixers cupboard is bare, so trying to get quality guys on the cheap is the absolute way to go. The Lakers took Russell. Who knows if they tried to hold the Sixers hostage for him, but Hinkie's a skilled economist and knows how to value players. Noel and a pick for Russell is way too high, and that was (if anything) what the Lakers were asking for.
Okafor has his problems but he's incredibly gifted -- like historically gifted for his age -- for low-post scoring. The rest of the lottery had too many unknowns (Mudiay, the Latvian) and other guys who I don't think will become anything significant. My favorite player beyond the first three picks was Winslow. Okafor's a better selection than him at three, since Winslow might not be able to score against NBA-level wings.
Also: there are a lot less people who are 6'9" in taller on earth than people shorter. Scoring near the rim (and defending against those shots) will always be a huge part of basketball, and it's easier to do/prevent the taller you are. I love the NBA's move to a faster/shorter game, but quality size will always be at a premium.
There are like 16 guards starting in the NBA right now who are all very good and capable of bringing a team to a playoff run. It's not an annual event that a Curry/CP3/etc. are out there. But you can certainly find a Brandon Knight/Jeff Teague/Kyle Lowry type.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jun 27, 2015 9:59:10 GMT -5
Honestly just think it is a done deal for Embiid. It has been 12 months now and he is still not ready to go when his recovery was originally supposed to be 8 months. Maybe Mudiay would have been are pick if Embiid was healthy but Hinkie chose the best payer available. It is not as much him being an unknown commodity it is just he went oversees instead of playing in college so people don't know his abilities as much as a guy like Russell. Despite this, given the situation the Okafor pick was the right one. I like the guy and if Embiid is done as I think he probably is Okafor and Noel will complement each other nicely. Okafor a great offensively and Noel is a solid defensive minded player. You can teach Okafor to be a better defensive player, you can't teach him to have to massive hands he has and intangibles. Same goes for Noel who already made strides on the offensive end where he originally struggled.
My issue with Hinkie is what he did in the second round. Why collect all those draft picks and not use them to trade up for a high level PG. The PGs went late and he went ahead used the picks to draft players many unknown. He picked up TJ McConnell yesterday and if I were the Sixers I pick up Briante Weber as well. Will see how the do. Hinkie should not be tanking again this season but it looks like that is the case. Luckily, they have 3 first round picks next year so he basically has one more shot to put together a complete roster and decide how to handle Embiid. He sure as hell has what he needs upfront.
Just remember you always have the Flyers, who had the best draft I ever witnessed in the past 10 years.
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Post by jellybean on Jun 27, 2015 14:56:37 GMT -5
Sixers could have as many as four first round picks next season. Their own. Lakers (top 3 protected),Heat (top 10 protected)and OKC (top 15 protected). FTW, it appears to be a weak draft and the top PG's are not highly regarded. I think the highest PG I saw was URI's Matthews and he's around 20th in NBA draft 2016 mock draft.
Odd twist, the Sixers could have the Knick's second round draft choice in 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2012.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jun 28, 2015 5:25:28 GMT -5
FTW, it appears to be a weak draft and the top PG's are not highly regarded. I hate this. It's 363 days away and there have been 0 college games played. While you might be able to project that there are no LeBron-caliber superstars, nobody...not even sports radio callers...knows who will emerge. DeAngelo Russell wasn't a lottery pick in mocks before that. www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24598918/nba-mock-draft |
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Post by jellybean on Jun 28, 2015 6:30:27 GMT -5
FTW, it appears to be a weak draft and the top PG's are not highly regarded. I hate this. It's 363 days away and there have been 0 college games played. While you might be able to project that there are no LeBron-caliber superstars, nobody...not even sports radio callers...knows who will emerge. DeAngelo Russell wasn't a lottery pick in mocks before that. www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24598918/nba-mock-draftSorry I mentioned it. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jun 28, 2015 6:36:00 GMT -5
I hate this. It's 363 days away and there have been 0 college games played. While you might be able to project that there are no LeBron-caliber superstars, nobody...not even sports radio callers...knows who will emerge. DeAngelo Russell wasn't a lottery pick in mocks before that. www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24598918/nba-mock-draftSorry I mentioned it. It's just a narrative that was pushed by Philadelphia sports radio recently to create talking points. "The Sixers plan isn't working!" "Stashing Draft picks was stupid!" I'd just think that until those first round picks are spent, the jury is still out. |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Jun 28, 2015 7:27:58 GMT -5
Honestly just think it is a done deal for Embiid. It has been 12 months now and he is still not ready to go when his recovery was originally supposed to be 8 months. Maybe Mudiay would have been are pick if Embiid was healthy but Hinkie chose the best payer available. It is not as much him being an unknown commodity it is just he went oversees instead of playing in college so people don't know his abilities as much as a guy like Russell. Despite this, given the situation the Okafor pick was the right one. I like the guy and if Embiid is done as I think he probably is Okafor and Noel will complement each other nicely. Okafor a great offensively and Noel is a solid defensive minded player. You can teach Okafor to be a better defensive player, you can't teach him to have to massive hands he has and intangibles. Same goes for Noel who already made strides on the offensive end where he originally struggled. My issue with Hinkie is what he did in the second round. Why collect all those draft picks and not use them to trade up for a high level PG. The PGs went late and he went ahead used the picks to draft players many unknown. He picked up TJ McConnell yesterday and if I were the Sixers I pick up Briante Weber as well. Will see how the do. Hinkie should not be tanking again this season but it looks like that is the case. Luckily, they have 3 first round picks next year so he basically has one more shot to put together a complete roster and decide how to handle Embiid. He sure as hell has what he needs upfront. Just remember you always have the Flyers, who had the best draft I ever witnessed in the past 10 years. Totally agree A10, that Hinkie messed up the second round. So many examples of second round or undrafted guys becoming good and he picks a bunch guys they'll just stash. They aren't good enough to stash players like that. However, I slightly disagree on the Flyers draft. It was decent to good, but why the F did they take three goalies? Are they collecting goalies like the Sixers are collecting big men? |
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Post by a10champion15 on Jun 28, 2015 14:12:23 GMT -5
Yea, I just don't get it. Why have 5 2nd round picks if you aren't going to trade up? I was on the Hinkie train for awhile but now I am really questioning it. The problem is for Hinkie is the plan got changed when Russell was taken. He had to improvise and made the right move. Jury is still out but it is starting to get restless. Bottom line is you shouldn't be tanking again and a plan should be forseeable at this point.
I absolutely loved what the Flyers did. They also got lucky. Ivan Provorov was debately the best defenseman in the draft and they got him at 7. Then they traded up for Konecny who was ranked as high as 12/15 with the 24th pick. They basically got a top 15 prospect for a medicore defenseman in Coburn and good old Kimmo. Even better they swing Grossmann who is awful and Prongers contract for a former 1st round pick in Gagner that has been plagued with being on bad teams. However, it seems they are buying him out saving million is cap space.
The goalie thing is my only question mark. However, I didn't realize they only had Solarz I believe in the wings. Mason is fine for now despite what a few Flyer fans say. I am still on board. Sandstrom was rated as the best goalie in the draft by a couple but fell because of injury which is probably why the Flyers picked up a couple more just in case. Similar to Sixers taking Okafor as an insurance policy.
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Post by indigowolf on Aug 25, 2015 23:08:26 GMT -5
He has natural basketball skills that the Sixers want. Honestly I think they drafted really poorly the past 3 years. Drafting big men that have yet to contribute for the organization. Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel to name the first two. Jahlil is a good player but like you said, he's overrated. They are trying to make up the mistakes that they have done by drafting Joel Embiid by getting another big player.
Although I'm glad that the Sixers took Okafor because I'm afraid that the Lakers would've fell for that if given the chance.
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