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Post by big5explorer on Dec 11, 2012 21:16:16 GMT -5
Other than Georgetown and Marquette, how is that league even as good as the A-10? Why would those schools leave for that? Can't be worth more money to them either, once football is out of the equation. How is a league with Villanova and Seton Hall and g-town and Marquette and not better than the A-10? |
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Post by big5explorer on Dec 11, 2012 21:24:14 GMT -5
For what it's worth, a friend with pretty reliable Sources, told me about a month ago that La Salle and St. Joe's where in talks with the ACC. I absolutely couldn't believe it when I heard him, and still really don't. But, in light of this new information, it does make a little bit of sense.
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Post by ltrain38 on Dec 11, 2012 21:44:30 GMT -5
You think Seton Hall makes a difference in this? I grant that Georgetown and Marquette are on a higher level than anyone in our conference, and for a few years, 'Nova was too. But would you replace Xavier, VCU, Butler, with Seton Hall or Providence or DePaul? How about replacing even mid-level programs like SJU, Dayton or UMass with them? I wouldn't. And I'm not sure how those teams look without being propped up in that conference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 21:51:30 GMT -5
I'm going to vent a little here, but it's the only time I've ever done a total vent on either board, so hopefully you'll indulge me. I sadly won't be saying anything new, but I'm hoping maybe getting it all in one place will at least make me feel better: This arena is like a huge metaphor for all the criticisms, valid, and otherwise, of La Salle. That we're small time, living in the past, an after thought. That we're not in the same league, academically, athletically, socially, or otherwise. That it's a school kids from South Jersey and suburban Philly go to when they couldn't get into St. Joe's, Temple, or Villanova. To a lot of people, including the Temple assholes who used to troll the other board, La Salle is a small, joke of a school, in a shitty part of the city. There's nothing really of note in the area, although the new shopping center and various improvements to the campus have made student life a lot better, and made the campus much more inclusive. Still, there's nothing that catches the eye of a visitor as a reason to stick around, not even a place like a TGI Friday's or A Chili's to be seen within a good bit of the school. There are a nice core of people who went to La Salle, loved it, and are what I called "lifetime La Salle." This is not necessarily mutually exclusive to still following the basketball team, but it sure helps. But even non b-ball fans who back for Homecoming, donate, or at least still acknowledge that they went to La Salle and still follow some aspect of the goings-on at the school. But there are plenty of alumni who basically have nothing to do with the school anymore. Don't come back, don't donate, don't care. I have some people, who I'd still consider friends, who basically have no association with the school and no interest in ever doing so again. And I graduated in 2008. This (finally) brings me around to this arena. It's a fuzzing apology. It's all these people like Gonzo, who's only relationship with La Salle is to make jokes about it and insult it. And instead of saying "Fuck You, I love this school," we kind of stare at our shoes. It's such an easy throw away line for every detractor this school has "That high school gym you guys play in." And the fact that they're right about that makes people think, they must be right about the other stuff too. I love La Salle, and I know all of you do too. I went to work in Washington DC after college and worked with a bunch of yuppies who went to private high schools and preppy colleges. I remember the first time I went out with all of them on a Saturday night- meaning we weren't going straight from work so people were wearing their "going out" clothes instead of just work clothes. One kid was wearing a blazer with gold anchor buttons and huge loafers. 2 other guys has bright pink polo shirts with popped collars and plaid pants on. And there's me, with me hoodie on, black polo shirt underneath, and jeans. And as we were walking to the bar, the thought of "You'd get your ass thrown out of a La Salle party for dressing like these guys" is all I could think. I got a great education, but it was the blue collar attitude that always stuck with me. The neighborhood is bad? Yeah, I guess so. But there's plenty more character in going into Cold Beer on a Tuesday night with absolutely not 1 dollar more than you need because you might be relieved of it at rake-point (one of my all-time favorite stories ever by the way) than there is in going to Brownie's and getting the cab to stop at Wendy's on your way back up the Main Line to St. Joe's. I love that the campus is like an oasis tucked into the middle of an urban desert. I'm not Catholic, I'm not from Philadelphia. I hold a visceral hatred for the Eagles to the point where I can't see straight sometimes. I was planning on going to Syracuse. I applied 1 or 2 other places so my parents would think I at least put some effort into looking at colleges. I had gone to Syracuse the week before and loved it (6 inches of snow on November 8th notwithstanding). The next week we went to La Salle and I remember sitting in the auditorium, hoping I would be back in Poughkeepsie early enough to go to my High School's hockey game that night. When someone asked one of the Admissions reps what the average SAT score was, I turned to my Mom and scoffed "Hey, I could go here, probably for free." 3 hours later I told my parents I was going to La Salle. I fell so quickly in love with the spirit of everyone associated with the school. I loved the small classes, the no T.A.'s, the fact that they were willing to show me the Radio Station and the TV Studio on a tour, etc. that it just felt right. As I sit here 9 years later, I know I made the right call. So in this long and rambling personal essay, have I touched on the significance of a basketball arena? Probably not. I guess my point is that I hate hearing my school, and it's High School gym, reduced to nothing more than a throwaway line. Because when I say "You're right, the gym sucks" what people hear is "You're right, my school is a joke and I'm ashamed of it." So I'd like to be able to stop conceding the point sometime soon, so that they realize I'm not agreeing with them on everything else too. There's this steel and brick monument to the detractors of this school sitting right on our campus, and I'd like that to be gone soon....or at least just used for Intramurals. From your mouth to Br Mike and the BOT's ears (minus the profanities of course). Awesome post. I have no idea if anything is going to become of the BE Catholic schools looking to join up with the A10, but if there is, my guess is La Salle is going to have to make its mind up sooner rather than later to address the facility issue to avoid being "asked" to leave. I don't think there is any way they would keep it at 21 teams, at least not after a year or two while things sort themselves out. The good thing is, La Salle doesn't need to find $60 million for a brand new 10k seat building. Gola could be renovated again into a 5k-6k arena which would be nice enough and big enough to keep the wolves from throwing La Salle out the door, and it would allow the coaching staff to compete for the recruits needed to compete in this league. The school could probably do that and also build a Butler building rec center for somewhere between $15-$20 million total. Last year, Loyola of Chicago took their old gym, which was a clone of Gola, and did a retrofit renovation and made it into a beautiful new arena for "only" $8.5 million. If La Salle can find one or two big donors and a lot of us little donors to chip in, there's no reason why it couldn't be done. If this new expanded A10 ends up happening, I hate to think of the alternative if La Salle sits by and does nothing, because in my mind, going back to the MAAC or to the CAA, NEC, or AE for that matter would be the death of the athletic program and would harm the entire school in general. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 11, 2012 22:17:15 GMT -5
This arena is like a huge metaphor for all the criticisms, valid, and otherwise, of La Salle. That we're small time, living in the past, an after thought. That we're not in the same league, academically, athletically, socially, or otherwise. That it's a school kids from South Jersey and suburban Philly go to when they couldn't get into St. Joe's, Temple, or Villanova. This notation has always driven me crazy because it’s utterly not true. It’s hard to pinpoint where and when this idea started. I, and I know many others on this board, were accepted to the other Philly schools but PICKED La Salle. I know many talented professionals with La Salle degrees. For example, my family doctor and my eye doctor both got their undergraduate from La Salle. Another doctor I know, wanted to go to La Salle but didn’t because he “did not have the grades” and was forced to go to Temple. The father of one of my good friends went to Drexel 40 years ago, but had trouble getting good grades, the guy hired La Salle students to tutor him. I know many older alumni and “back in the day” the perception of La Salle around town was much different. Somewhere along the way we may have lost control of our message. But I don’t think much as changed, kids still receive a good and challenging education at La Salle University. |
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Post by explorerman on Dec 11, 2012 22:25:42 GMT -5
The "G boys" (goexplorers and Gnochhi) beat me to it. I was watching the Schmoes - Vilenova game and hear Dino Guadio say the same thing. Talk about embarassing. Someone please send the tape to Br. Mike and Brennan. Brother Mike and the Board of Directors believe the Business School is more important.. Get ready for the ride into oblivion and into the MAAC because of our all wise BOD thinks improving our 300+ ranked business school will improve to 299 with a new building... |
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Post by ltrain38 on Dec 11, 2012 22:37:11 GMT -5
This arena is like a huge metaphor for all the criticisms, valid, and otherwise, of La Salle. That we're small time, living in the past, an after thought. That we're not in the same league, academically, athletically, socially, or otherwise. That it's a school kids from South Jersey and suburban Philly go to when they couldn't get into St. Joe's, Temple, or Villanova. This notation has always driven me crazy because it’s utterly not true. It’s hard to pinpoint where and when this idea started. I, and I know many others on this board, were accepted to the other Philly schools but PICKED La Salle. I know many talented professionals with La Salle degrees. For example, my family doctor and my eye doctor both got their undergraduate from La Salle. Another doctor I know, wanted to go to La Salle but didn’t because he “did not have the grades” and was forced to go to Temple. The father of one of my good friends went to Drexel 40 years ago, but had trouble getting good grades, the guy hired La Salle students to tutor him. I know many older alumni and “back in the day” the perception of La Salle around town was much different. Somewhere along the way we may have lost control of our message. But I don’t think much as changed, kids still receive a good and challenging education at La Salle University. I have to agree that the quality of education is still quite good at La Salle. It's much more career focused than strictly academic, but I know that La Salle students compare very favorably with the rest of the area for jobs coming out of school. I went into a highly academic field and something very obscure, so La Salle couldn't really cater to what I ended up doing, but I still can't imagine how I would have gotten into the graduate schools I've gone to without it. I never mean to put down La Salle by acknowledging how bad the gym is, but we have definitely let others get away with doing that and haven't pushed back. It really shows how sports fuels the perception of an entire institution now. |
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Post by explorerman on Dec 11, 2012 22:41:50 GMT -5
I'm going to vent a little here, but it's the only time I've ever done a total vent on either board, so hopefully you'll indulge me. I sadly won't be saying anything new, but I'm hoping maybe getting it all in one place will at least make me feel better: This arena is like a huge metaphor for all the criticisms, valid, and otherwise, of La Salle. That we're small time, living in the past, an after thought. That we're not in the same league, academically, athletically, socially, or otherwise. That it's a school kids from South Jersey and suburban Philly go to when they couldn't get into St. Joe's, Temple, or Villanova. To a lot of people, including the Temple assholes who used to troll the other board, La Salle is a small, joke of a school, in a shitty part of the city. There's nothing really of note in the area, although the new shopping center and various improvements to the campus have made student life a lot better, and made the campus much more inclusive. Still, there's nothing that catches the eye of a visitor as a reason to stick around, not even a place like a TGI Friday's or A Chili's to be seen within a good bit of the school. There are a nice core of people who went to La Salle, loved it, and are what I called "lifetime La Salle." This is not necessarily mutually exclusive to still following the basketball team, but it sure helps. But even non b-ball fans who back for Homecoming, donate, or at least still acknowledge that they went to La Salle and still follow some aspect of the goings-on at the school. But there are plenty of alumni who basically have nothing to do with the school anymore. Don't come back, don't donate, don't care. I have some people, who I'd still consider friends, who basically have no association with the school and no interest in ever doing so again. And I graduated in 2008. This (finally) brings me around to this arena. It's a fuzzing apology. It's all these people like Gonzo, who's only relationship with La Salle is to make jokes about it and insult it. And instead of saying "Fuck You, I love this school," we kind of stare at our shoes. It's such an easy throw away line for every detractor this school has "That high school gym you guys play in." And the fact that they're right about that makes people think, they must be right about the other stuff too. I love La Salle, and I know all of you do too. I went to work in Washington DC after college and worked with a bunch of yuppies who went to private high schools and preppy colleges. I remember the first time I went out with all of them on a Saturday night- meaning we weren't going straight from work so people were wearing their "going out" clothes instead of just work clothes. One kid was wearing a blazer with gold anchor buttons and huge loafers. 2 other guys has bright pink polo shirts with popped collars and plaid pants on. And there's me, with me hoodie on, black polo shirt underneath, and jeans. And as we were walking to the bar, the thought of "You'd get your ass thrown out of a La Salle party for dressing like these guys" is all I could think. I got a great education, but it was the blue collar attitude that always stuck with me. The neighborhood is bad? Yeah, I guess so. But there's plenty more character in going into Cold Beer on a Tuesday night with absolutely not 1 dollar more than you need because you might be relieved of it at rake-point (one of my all-time favorite stories ever by the way) than there is in going to Brownie's and getting the cab to stop at Wendy's on your way back up the Main Line to St. Joe's. I love that the campus is like an oasis tucked into the middle of an urban desert. I'm not Catholic, I'm not from Philadelphia. I hold a visceral hatred for the Eagles to the point where I can't see straight sometimes. I was planning on going to Syracuse. I applied 1 or 2 other places so my parents would think I at least put some effort into looking at colleges. I had gone to Syracuse the week before and loved it (6 inches of snow on November 8th notwithstanding). The next week we went to La Salle and I remember sitting in the auditorium, hoping I would be back in Poughkeepsie early enough to go to my High School's hockey game that night. When someone asked one of the Admissions reps what the average SAT score was, I turned to my Mom and scoffed "Hey, I could go here, probably for free." 3 hours later I told my parents I was going to La Salle. I fell so quickly in love with the spirit of everyone associated with the school. I loved the small classes, the no T.A.'s, the fact that they were willing to show me the Radio Station and the TV Studio on a tour, etc. that it just felt right. As I sit here 9 years later, I know I made the right call. So in this long and rambling personal essay, have I touched on the significance of a basketball arena? Probably not. I guess my point is that I hate hearing my school, and it's High School gym, reduced to nothing more than a throwaway line. Because when I say "You're right, the gym sucks" what people hear is "You're right, my school is a joke and I'm ashamed of it." So I'd like to be able to stop conceding the point sometime soon, so that they realize I'm not agreeing with them on everything else too. There's this steel and brick monument to the detractors of this school sitting right on our campus, and I'd like that to be gone soon....or at least just used for Intramurals. From your mouth to Br Mike and the BOT's ears (minus the profanities of course). Awesome post. I have no idea if anything is going to become of the BE Catholic schools looking to join up with the A10, but if there is, my guess is La Salle is going to have to make its mind up sooner rather than later to address the facility issue to avoid being "asked" to leave. I don't think there is any way they would keep it at 21 teams, at least not after a year or two while things sort themselves out. The good thing is, La Salle doesn't need to find $60 million for a brand new 10k seat building. Gola could be renovated again into a 5k-6k arena which would be nice enough and big enough to keep the wolves from throwing La Salle out the door, and it would allow the coaching staff to compete for the recruits needed to compete in this league. The school could probably do that and also build a Butler building rec center for somewhere between $15-$20 million total. Last year, Loyola of Chicago took their old gym, which was a clone of Gola, and did a retrofit renovation and made it into a beautiful new arena for "only" $8.5 million. If La Salle can find one or two big donors and a lot of us little donors to chip in, there's no reason why it couldn't be done. If this new expanded A10 ends up happening, I hate to think of the alternative if La Salle sits by and does nothing, because in my mind, going back to the MAAC or to the CAA, NEC, or AE for that matter would be the death of the athletic program and would harm the entire school in general. Exactly.... $8.5 million.. Seriously would represent a great upgrade.. Loyola of Chicago has a nice campus arena.. It would have to cost slightly more because they are on the third floor.. The expansion would have to take consideration by taking a floor out.. Seriously how about $15 million and upgrade really nicely that is seriously all it would take.. It is amazing because the only reason why we are in this situation is because the lack of vision by the "stakeholders" our BOT and the President in that our facilities are a national joke.. Don't they care that we continually get ripped on.. I mean we are top 100 program this year and will probably finish within that realm and we are going to get the boot, if something like this happens, because a lack of facilities which is controlled by the BOT and President. |
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Post by Gnocchi on Dec 11, 2012 22:44:02 GMT -5
The "G boys" (goexplorers and Gnochhi) beat me to it. I was watching the Schmoes - Vilenova game and hear Dino Guadio say the same thing. Talk about embarassing. Someone please send the tape to Br. Mike and Brennan. Brother Mike and the Board of Directors believe the Business School is more important.. Get ready for the ride into oblivion and into the MAAC because of our all wise BOD thinks improving our 300+ ranked business school will improve to 299 with a new building... Apropos of which... MAAC to Discuss Expansion Prospects Friday in New York Citynycbuckets.com/2012/12/maac-to-discuss-expansion-prospects-friday-in-new-york-city/...recent rumors this week that schools such as Quinnipiac and Monmouth are prepared to join the conference. Or potentially Wagner and Bryant... |
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 11, 2012 22:47:11 GMT -5
This notation has always driven me crazy because it’s utterly not true. It’s hard to pinpoint where and when this idea started. I, and I know many others on this board, were accepted to the other Philly schools but PICKED La Salle. I know many talented professionals with La Salle degrees. For example, my family doctor and my eye doctor both got their undergraduate from La Salle. Another doctor I know, wanted to go to La Salle but didn’t because he “did not have the grades” and was forced to go to Temple. The father of one of my good friends went to Drexel 40 years ago, but had trouble getting good grades, the guy hired La Salle students to tutor him. I know many older alumni and “back in the day” the perception of La Salle around town was much different. Somewhere along the way we may have lost control of our message. But I don’t think much as changed, kids still receive a good and challenging education at La Salle University. I have to agree that the quality of education is still quite good at La Salle. It's much more career focused than strictly academic, but I know that La Salle students compare very favorably with the rest of the area for jobs coming out of school. I went into a highly academic field and something very obscure, so La Salle couldn't really cater to what I ended up doing, but I still can't imagine how I would have gotten inAto the graduate schools I've gone to without it. I never mean to put down La Salle by acknowledging how bad the gym is, but we have definitely let others get away with doing that and haven't pushed back. It really shows how sports fuels the perception of an entire institution now. I agree ltrain38. Also, this may be an unfair generalization but I feel like many La Salle people are unassuming and humble and do not loudly “sell” the school like at other institutions. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 11, 2012 22:49:54 GMT -5
The one thing I will say re: the MAAC, NEC, CAA, etc. The whole landscape is changing. It started with the 2 sport powers, and now it's filtering to the Big time basketball schools left in power conferences with no one to play. Soon it will affect the A-10 and other "High Mid-Majors." Then it will be down to the lower conferences.
I don't want to end up in the MAAC or wherever, but it's not like you just throw La Salle into the existing MAAC and call it a day. If we end up going down, it will be to a conference that has added some teams and is better than it previously was. Not ideal, but worth taking into account.
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Post by ltrain38 on Dec 13, 2012 1:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Dec 13, 2012 9:29:37 GMT -5
Great post, but as someone who (weirdly) approaches the school with the exact same outsider view that you did, two of the things you loved were two of the things I would have changed. I'm just going to ... around stuff so I'm not simply reposting you ... ... One kid was wearing a blazer with gold anchor buttons and huge loafers. 2 other guys has bright pink polo shirts with popped collars and plaid pants on. And there's me, with me hoodie on, black polo shirt underneath, and jeans. And as we were walking to the bar, the thought of "You'd get your ass thrown out of a La Salle party for dressing like these guys" is all I could think ... I don't know if counter-elitism is a word, or if it would apply here, but that's always the feeling I got when in Philadelphia (more so than at La Salle specifically). And its not an economic thing or even a social thing (I don't come from money or anything close), more of a strong delineation between the provincial Philadelphian archtype and everyone else. I can't stand places that seem to enjoy making people feel like outsiders and Philadelphia takes pride in that more than any place I've ever been. Beyond that, its not a fun insider mentality anyway; there always seemed to be an underlying defensiveness and need to prove themselves, some of which carries over here. Any slight or perceived slight against the school or basketball program puts people in an immediate back-against-the-wall position when, from my perspective, that's the greatest form of validation. I loved my time at La Salle just like you did, but that's exactly why I don't care at all what people say about us. I'm not going to fight or get angry, I'll just make a snarky comment back and move on. I got a great education, but it was the blue collar attitude that always stuck with me. The neighborhood is bad? Yeah, I guess so. But there's plenty more character in going into Cold Beer on a Tuesday night with absolutely not 1 dollar more than you need because you might be relieved of it at rake-point (one of my all-time favorite stories ever by the way) than there is in going to Brownie's and getting the cab to stop at Wendy's on your way back up the Main Line to St. Joe's. I love that the campus is like an oasis tucked into the middle of an urban desert Cold Beer was undeniably awesome; having to go to the main line or into center city to go to a bar was not. If there's one thing I would have changed, it would have been walkable bars for my upperclassman years when frat parties became more of a chore than a good time. From my perspective, that's when the oasis became a bad thing, when everything you needed wasn't there. (That may have changed, I'm a 2000 grad and I know the area has built up a lot since.) In conclusion: Same affection towards the school, less towards the city and probably a different overall approach to the experience. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 13, 2012 9:50:10 GMT -5
No, I think your points are almost exactly how I feel, just maybe not at the exact moment I was typing that. Walkble, or even cab-both ways for a reasonable price-able bars would have been a HUGE positive. And I'm not crazy about what I call the "Rocky Mentality" either, just when compared to going to bar dressed like a ship captain.
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Post by player71 on Dec 13, 2012 10:16:03 GMT -5
Some very interesting points being raised here. For all the talk about the arenas that the Gtowns, Marquettes, St. Johns, etc play in. There is a very important fact that needs to be remembered. The rent for these arenas is absurd. All of my siblings went to Georgetown, the word is that is costs Gtown $40K to rent the Verizon Center per game. Now, when they sell out for UConn, Syracuse, etc. its a good deal. But remember they play a bunch of no name teams early in the year there as well. Gtown has been trying to their gym on campus renovated to be a 6K seat arena and then only play the big games at Verizon Center.
Trust me, some of these schools will have issues when the big name opponents aren't on the schedule and the rental fee continues to go up....
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 13, 2012 10:34:37 GMT -5
Like I said though, there's a Grand Canyon-esque, chasm between NBA arena and Gola Arena. Surely we can find some happy place in the vast middle.
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 13, 2012 11:01:25 GMT -5
Looks like the 7 Big East schools are going to try and raid Xavier, Dayton and VCU among others. Even St. Mary's and Gonzaga are being talked about.
This is just crazy stuff anymore.
I always thought La Salle and St. Joe's would end up in the 1a tier of basketball leagues. If these 7 schools get their way it looks like that may just end up being the case.
While the hit would sting our ego, a league that adds say Siena and other top lplayers in leagues below the A-10 may end up being the right fit for La Salle given the school's commitment.
All conjecture but I for one would really like to see this crap end and end for good one way or another.
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Post by jkdem85 on Dec 13, 2012 11:06:20 GMT -5
Would be incredibly painful to be left out of this but the school has no one to blame but it's self for it's lack of commitment. The administration wouldnt even care.
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Post by mookie on Dec 13, 2012 11:08:05 GMT -5
Not sure I follow 88...
You say the 7 BE schools are going to try and raid X and others?
I read it as they would leave the BE and try to join the A10 or some other conference. If they joined the A10, then that would be good for the conference but not particularly for LaSalle unless we "stepped our game up" and made the financial committment to the bball program...
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Post by MisterD on Dec 13, 2012 11:19:15 GMT -5
Is it possible commitments to MSG and Barclays (and I'm sure other commitments I'm not thinking of) make merging the two leagues impossible?
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 13, 2012 11:33:50 GMT -5
I think what people are saying it that if these schools join the A-10, or if they simply just poach the top teamS from the A-10, La Salle and a few other schools will likely be squeezed out. a 21 team league is just probably not viable, and let's be honest, a school like Georgetown or Marquette would be stupid not to try to use their leverage to lose a few of the smaller schools in the conference.
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Post by jkdem85 on Dec 13, 2012 11:36:47 GMT -5
The recent rumors state that the 7 BE schools will simply poach X, Butler and potentially Dayton, which would obviously devestate the rest of the A10. Hopefully we can replace them with George Mason, Drexel, or similar teams.
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 13, 2012 11:41:20 GMT -5
If we lose butler and Xavier, St. Louis is gone too. Even if they're not folded in with those guys, they'll find another conference.
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 13, 2012 12:13:52 GMT -5
Not sure I follow 88... You say the 7 BE schools are going to try and raid X and others? I read it as they would leave the BE and try to join the A10 or some other conference. If they joined the A10, then that would be good for the conference but not particularly for LaSalle unless we "stepped our game up" and made the financial committment to the bball program... That is exactly right mookie. It looks like the BE schools are not interested in being absorbed by the A-10. Not that I thought they would because 21 teams is too big but they are going to make a run at pulling the top programs from other conferences that fit them demographically. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Dec 13, 2012 13:16:02 GMT -5
Question is, can they sell teams on a league with no TV revenue in place? The A10 already has a deal and the funds are basically guaranteed....on the plus side, if those teams leave the A10, it means more money per school in the A10 than before and mroe games on TV
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Post by luhoopsfan on Dec 13, 2012 13:19:28 GMT -5
As for facilities - if the school doesn't make the connection that a huge majority of business people are sports fans and that business is in an of itself a sport, then they are really clueless. Add in the fact that improved Basketball eprformance and national exposure results in a level of exposure they could never DREAM of affording themselves they are out of their mind.
If we are left out in the cold in a second-tier conference I will immediately cease my financial support. I am not of the midnset to support an operation that is runnign backwards and that no longer represents the programs I was a part of during my time there. I went there when we were an A10 school, if we are going to be less than that, I'm not going to support it or endorse it as a representation fo what I worked so damn hard to become.
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Post by mookie on Dec 13, 2012 13:37:48 GMT -5
Question is, can they sell teams on a league with no TV revenue in place? The A10 already has a deal and the funds are basically guaranteed....on the plus side, if those teams leave the A10, it means more money per school in the A10 than before and mroe games on TV Everything I've read so far has been that these schools are looking for the best media revenue package possible. Given that, it doesn't sound like they'll be willing to try and "sell teams on a league with no TV revenue"... |
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Post by mookie on Dec 13, 2012 13:44:17 GMT -5
Not sure I follow 88... You say the 7 BE schools are going to try and raid X and others? I read it as they would leave the BE and try to join the A10 or some other conference. If they joined the A10, then that would be good for the conference but not particularly for LaSalle unless we "stepped our game up" and made the financial committment to the bball program... That is exactly right mookie. It looks like the BE schools are not interested in being absorbed by the A-10. Not that I thought they would because 21 teams is too big but they are going to make a run at pulling the top programs from other conferences that fit them demographically. Ok...I was under the impression they were looking to join a conference that would offer the best media revenue package. I don't think 21 teams is too big in the new landscape of college sports. We've talked about superconferences before and it seems like the Pac16, Big10 and the SEC have the inside track in becoming the first 3 of potentially 4 (maybe even 5 superconferences). I honestly would be a bit excited about the A10 if those schools joined because I'll be honest, I've never been a big fan of the A10...it might be because I grew up in ACC country, I'm used to the BCS schools and I wasn't familiar with anybody in the A10 really outside of UMass at the time. But one thing is for certain, LaSalle must make the financial committment to the program and be proactive or risk being a 2nd or 3rd tier university...which would be the equivalent of a D2 or D3 program compared to the rest (in my opinion)... |
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Post by coachd on Dec 13, 2012 13:54:03 GMT -5
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Post by explorerman on Dec 13, 2012 14:06:05 GMT -5
As for facilities - if the school doesn't make the connection that a huge majority of business people are sports fans and that business is in an of itself a sport, then they are really clueless. Add in the fact that improved Basketball eprformance and national exposure results in a level of exposure they could never DREAM of affording themselves they are out of their mind. If we are left out in the cold in a second-tier conference I will immediately cease my financial support. I am not of the midnset to support an operation that is runnign backwards and that no longer represents the programs I was a part of during my time there. I went there when we were an A10 school, if we are going to be less than that, I'm not going to support it or endorse it as a representation fo what I worked so damn hard to become. Exactly as will I. The best message you can send is by affecting the wallet. They want money for a business school that is fine. The school has had a decade to either expand or put an arena up. Nothing like taking the 1 thing that gives La Salle some type of national exposure and saying it doesn't matter. It is unfortunate that the BOT are backward thinkers. |
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